Unanswered Injectable Msten?

[jtmartin18]

I just noticed that PRO has injectable msten. What're you guys' thoughts on this compared to oral? Anybody tried it?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

orals are designed to ingest not inject. if nothing else, its gonna hurt as the methylation is cleaved off.

 

[jrock645]

Someone was talking about it lately. Apparently it’s not quite as strong injected. But injecting it mitigates a lot of the sides.

 

[RickyBlobby]

According to Mike Arnold injectable superdrol has much less side effects than oral and just as strong. I would expect injectible MSTEN to behave similarly

 

[Old Witch]

https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/152/12/4718/2457367

This has some info regarding injection of a strong 17aa steroid which MSten is directly derived from if you are willing to read through to find it.

 

[DS3317]

orals are designed to ingest not inject. if nothing else, its gonna hurt as the methylation is cleaved off.

This isn’t true. In fact the only way I can handle orals is injectable. No pip what so ever. I’m running methyl tren right now 500-2000mcg pwo and there’s no negative sides at all

 

[DS3317]

Someone was talking about it lately. Apparently it’s not quite as strong injected. But injecting it mitigates a lot of the sides.

It’s actually stronger injected.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

This isn’t true. In fact the only way I can handle orals is injectable. No pip what so ever. I’m running methyl tren right now 500-2000mcg pwo and there’s no negative sides at all

youre running 2 mg of methyl tren? thats faulking nutz if you ask me. interesting that you get no pip.

 

[jrock645]

This isn’t true. In fact the only way I can handle orals is injectable. No pip what so ever. I’m running methyl tren right now 500-2000mcg pwo and there’s no negative sides at all

The injectable winstrol i tried had pip like a mf’er

 

[DS3317]

The injectable winstrol i tried had pip like a mf’er

Injectable winny is a different story it’s like injecting microscopic pieces of glass. You’re more of a man than I am lol

 

[Jstrong20]

It’s actually stronger injected.

Lol I’ll just take more of the oral. But yeah I’ve seen lots of people report the same through the years. Even with things like anadrol.

 

[DS3317]

youre running 2 mg of methyl tren? thats faulking nutz if you ask me. interesting that you get no pip.

Lol I get bloods done monthly. I think there’s a lot of things that are exaggerated or spread as gospel that aren’t necessarily true.
Pip could come from too high of ba or an allergic reaction to the oil or dirty gear.
Crazy thing is taking mtren orally made me feel like garbage and destroyed my stomach. I can only take orals if they are injectable

 

[jrock645]

Injectable winny is a different story it’s like injecting microscopic pieces of glass. You’re more of a man than I am lol

Ugh that **** was awful but i managed. DHB is next on my list and i know how people talk about it but i cant imagine it being much worse

 

[DS3317]

Ugh that **** was awful but i managed. DHB is next on my list and i know how people talk about it but i cant imagine it being much worse

I’ve been curious about getting some myself but the pip stories scare me away lol. If I can’t walk because of pain it’s counter productive. I’ve got some t300 that’s just collecting dust because of the pip.

 

[Matthersby]

It’s actually stronger injected.

Theoretically it should be. I’m one of the few guys that used PROs inj Msten between 15-25mg and it didn’t yield the results the oral did. I’m not certain why. That was only my experience and it could have been that I was blasting nonstop and not really getting drastic results from anything during that time. But I do know for certain, sides are almost non existent except for BP. My liver enzymes were actually barely in range too. So I felt one could easily start at the standard oral dose of 20mg and only go up from there.

 

[chem.jr.]

Theoretically it should be. I’m one of the few guys that used PROs inj Msten between 15-25mg and it didn’t yield the results the oral did. I’m not certain why. That was only my experience and it could have been that I was blasting nonstop and not really getting drastic results from anything during that time. But I do know for certain, sides are almost non existent except for BP. My liver enzymes were actually barely in range too. So I felt one could easily start at the standard oral dose of 20mg and only go up from there.

Cholesterol? Always curious about that with Msten.

I don't mind elevated liver enzymes because I know that with the proper care they will go right back down and my kidneys seem to take a beating very well but cholesterol is where you can do some serious damage and it was after long cycle that my atherosclerosis happened. Luckily it was in a place that gets alot of blood flow anyway the other veins but had it happened somewhere else it could have been really bad I try to always make sure cholesterol doesn't get too out of whack because that's going to affect how long my ticker will pump

 

[chem.jr.]

And the only injectable oral I have used is d-bal and I do feel like the estrogenic sides are less via injection which kind of makes a little sense if you think about/ compare to trt done shallow intramuscular vs. Subcutaneous. Subcutaneous you have less estrogen / aromatization so I guess orally vs i m is similar? Anybody else feel the same?

 

[trumac]

My source has injectable SD I’ve been tempted to try. I never tried it orally and wondered how it would be injected

 

[Matthersby]

My source has injectable SD I’ve been tempted to try. I never tried it orally and wondered how it would be injected

Supposed to be awesome. Just like the oral w less sides.

 

[nostrum420]

orals are designed to ingest not inject. if nothing else, its gonna hurt as the methylation is cleaved off.

Methyl groups aren't cleaved.

 

[trumac]

Supposed to be awesome. Just like the oral w less sides.

Same dose? Source has 25mg/ml

 

[jrock645]

Same dose? Source has 25mg/ml

Yeah same dose

 

[Matthersby]

I’m pretty sure on Professional Muscle Mike Arnold was saying he was able to run it easily over 20 and up to 40mg with limited sides. The thread is still there but I’m too lazy to look. I’d probably start with 1ml a day, probably split up if necessary and go up from there

 

[jrock645]

I’m pretty sure on Professional Muscle Mike Arnold was saying he was able to run it easily over 20 and up to 40mg with limited sides. The thread is still there but I’m too lazy to look. I’d probably start with 1ml a day, probably split up if necessary and go up from there

Yeah ive heard with the injectable orals you can run them a tad higher if you want, but its not reslly necessary.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Methyl groups aren't cleaved.

do all esters stay with the hormone? i realize cleaved is not a good choice of words.

 

[nostrum420]

do all esters stay with the hormone? i realize cleaved is not a good choice of words.

A methyl group is a little different from an ester. Esters are cleaved (which is a fine word to use) via an enzymatic reaction but your body doesn't have an enzyme to "un-methylate" a hormone, if you will. It's part of the reason 17a methyl versions of known compounds tend to be stronger than they're "un-methylated" parent hormones; the molecule hangs around longer and has to be conjugated and excreted in a different way than other hormones.

 

[nostrum420]

Are you good friends or partners with ZOO ? I've seen your name a lot and for some reason I associate with ZOO from Vicious Labs.

We've worked on a few things together, yeah.