Increase DHT whithout being on Testosterone

muchstronger2

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Hi guys, I will try to keep it short and clear.

My goal: to increase DHT to top of the range or above range while not being on T. Rationale behind is I've noticed people having more DHT (shown in bloodwork in my entourage) overall have masculine behaviors and appearances above average.


My situation: DHT @46ng/dl (16-79)
TT @683ng/dl (160-726)
Free T @3,6ng/dl (0,3-2,8)

I'm on very low dose Clomid to boost "naturally" my testosterone production as I'm 29 and don't feel like I quite need TRT yet.

My conclusion: I must be having poor levels of 5-alpha reductase enzymes as my free T is well above range and my DHT is barely mid-range.


My reaction: i started taking natural 5-alpha reductase boosters

- glycine
- niacinamide
- protodioscin concentrated tribulus extract
- butea superba


I will draw bloods again 1 months into this experiment to see whether it has made any difference in my DHT levels.


Two questions:

1) Do bloods DHT levels represent accurately the actual level of circulating and active DHT? I've read that urine tests for other enzymes are usually necessary for an accurate measure

2) If that "treatment" fails to yield significant increase in DHT levels, my intention is to start taking Proviron 25mg x2/day + Andractim cream (pure DHT) 2x/day while keeping the Clomid twice a week @12,5mg to prevent HPTA shutdown.
My fears with that are:
a) to get shutdown inspite of the Clomid
b) to have my E2 get too low with the Proviron

Do you think there is any risk for scenarii a) and b) to become reality?


Subsidiary question: will more DHT at my age make any difference to my looks and behaviors or is it all determined by DHT exposure in the womb and during puberty?
 
Nice to see someone that knows the value of DHT. I like your interesting choice of supplements and I look forward to seeing your results!

Curious how much/how often you have been taking your Clomid?
 
Ricky10 said:
Nice to see someone that knows the value of DHT. I like your interesting choice of supplements and I look forward to seeing your results!

Curious how much/how often you have been taking your Clomid?
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Dht = hair loss. I see no value in it ? , but its normally associated with strength, hardness of the muscle etc I believe.
 
AdelV said:
Dht = hair loss. I see no value in it �� , but its normally associated with strength, hardness of the muscle etc I believe.
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Anti-estrogenic, and you forgot boners too...the most important one! How could you...
 
Ricky10 said:
Nice to see someone that knows the value of DHT. I like your interesting choice of supplements and I look forward to seeing your results!

Curious how much/how often you have been taking your Clomid?
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I've been taking the Clomid on and off for around 6 months, most of the time at 12,5mg once a week.

A first blood drawn two months after starting showed T levels at 1050 (starting from 580), and the most recent bloodwork is the one I already shared.
I have zero explanation as to why my TT as gone down and my free T has shot up, I don't take anything that supposedly lowers SHBG...
 
muchstronger2 said:
I've been taking the Clomid on and off for around 6 months, most of the time at 12,5mg once a week.

A first blood drawn two months after starting showed T levels at 1050 (starting from 580), and the most recent bloodwork is the one I already shared.
I have zero explanation as to why my TT as gone down and my free T has shot up, I don't take anything that supposedly lowers SHBG...
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I was curious because I am currently taking Clomid as part of my PCT, but I was most likely going to continue a low dose to maintain hormone levels. 12.5 mg once a week does seem quite low, I think most people do Clomid for T-boosting @12.5mg, M, W, F? I see that you are now taking it twice a week. That alone should bring up your TT, while lowering your FT due to the increased SHBG from the Clomid itself.
 
Ricky10 said:
I was curious because I am currently taking Clomid as part of my PCT, but I was most likely going to continue a low dose to maintain hormone levels. 12.5 mg once a week does seem quite low, I think most people do Clomid for T-boosting @12.5mg, M, W, F? I see that you are now taking it twice a week. That alone should bring up your TT, while lowering your FT due to the increased SHBG from the Clomid itself.
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I've never done any roids yet so I guess my "unhurt" HPTA gets a very good response to Clomid.

The pharmacokinetics of Clomid are very different than people think they know: it stays active for very long once ingested and even a dose as low as 12,5mg is significant enough to bring positive change
 
muchstronger2 said:
Hi guys, I will try to keep it short and clear.

My goal: to increase DHT to top of the range or above range while not being on T. Rationale behind is I've noticed people having more DHT (shown in bloodwork in my entourage) overall have masculine behaviors and appearances above average.


My situation: DHT @46ng/dl (16-79)
TT @683ng/dl (160-726)
Free T @3,6ng/dl (0,3-2,8)

I'm on very low dose Clomid to boost "naturally" my testosterone production as I'm 29 and don't feel like I quite need TRT yet.

My conclusion: I must be having poor levels of 5-alpha reductase enzymes as my free T is well above range and my DHT is barely mid-range.


My reaction: i started taking natural 5-alpha reductase boosters

- glycine
- niacinamide
- protodioscin concentrated tribulus extract
- butea superba


I will draw bloods again 1 months into this experiment to see whether it has made any difference in my DHT levels.


Two questions:

1) Do bloods DHT levels represent accurately the actual level of circulating and active DHT? I've read that urine tests for other enzymes are usually necessary for an accurate measure

2) If that "treatment" fails to yield significant increase in DHT levels, my intention is to start taking Proviron 25mg x2/day + Andractim cream (pure DHT) 2x/day while keeping the Clomid twice a week @12,5mg to prevent HPTA shutdown.
My fears with that are:
a) to get shutdown inspite of the Clomid
b) to have my E2 get too low with the Proviron

Do you think there is any risk for scenarii a) and b) to become reality?


Subsidiary question: will more DHT at my age make any difference to my looks and behaviors or is it all determined by DHT exposure in the womb and during puberty?
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DHT's role in males is diminished with age. Its most prominent during puberty. Sure it will help libido but its not going to do anything for your looks and probably little behaviorally. Careful with your prostate and hair. Not sure what your hoping to gain from this. Its not a great muscle builder either.
 
user567 said:
DHT's role in males is diminished with age. Its most prominent during puberty. Sure it will help libido but its not going to do anything for your looks and probably little behaviorally. Careful with your prostate and hair. Not sure what your hoping to gain from this. Its not a great muscle builder either.
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This guy is obsessed with wanting to appear more masculine. Here's another thread he started:

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He makes these threads on multiple forums.

OP - I'm sure you look fine, and it's all in your head. Nobody likes everything about themselves. You should learn to love yourself. Instead of trying to change who you are, you should focus on becoming the best "you" you can be.
 
Clomid won't prevent hpta shutdown while using exogenous hormones....
 
mike33511 said:
This guy is obsessed with wanting to appear more masculine. Here's another thread he started:

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He makes these threads on multiple forums.

OP - I'm sure you look fine, and it's all in your head. Nobody likes everything about themselves. You should learn to love yourself. Instead of trying to change who you are, you should focus on becoming the best "you" you can be.
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DHT is not going to make you look any different and at your age nothing will. Your body is done changing, and was probably done 10 years ago. You'd better hope your not sensitive to DHT because then you will be a bald baby face.
 
IS there anyway to increase DHT to accelerate hair loss? lol. I already have really thin hair on top and I rather it just all fall out to save me time from shaving my head lol.
 
Shiznown said:
IS there anyway to increase DHT to accelerate hair loss? lol. I already have really thin hair on top and I rather it just all fall out to save me time from shaving my head lol.
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If you're not trolling, yes just take a DHT derived steroid like masteron with test, one cycle of that should shred you up and shed you up nicely
 
Shiznown said:
IS there anyway to increase DHT to accelerate hair loss? lol. I already have really thin hair on top and I rather it just all fall out to save me time from shaving my head lol.
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uprightrows said:
If you're not trolling, yes just take a DHT derived steroid like masteron with test, one cycle of that should shred you up and shed you up nicely
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Thatd be like taking tren to cure hypotension.
 
uprightrows said:
If you're not trolling, yes just take a DHT derived steroid like masteron with test, one cycle of that should shred you up and shed you up nicely
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Actually wasn't trolling. It's also so my grandmom will shut up to be honest lol. Every time I see her she tells me I should grow my hair out and comb it over, despite my hair being super thin on top. Yes, I'm almost 30 and she still thinks I'm 8 lol.
 
mike33511 said:
This guy is obsessed with wanting to appear more masculine. Here's another thread he started:

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He makes these threads on multiple forums.

OP - I'm sure you look fine, and it's all in your head. Nobody likes everything about themselves. You should learn to love yourself. Instead of trying to change who you are, you should focus on becoming the best "you" you can be.
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The best me I can be will be a me with more DHT. That's exactly what I'm doing: being conscious of what I'm lacking and making efforts to change that with a minimal amount of side-effects
 
I'm a bald 32 year old who has unusually high DHT and a genetic predisposition for moon face. You're not about to grow a lower jaw to rival a male salmon in spawn anymore. Where's your bf level at? I find at less than 10-12% the moon face becomes a triangle.
 
Shiznown said:
Would something like EPI-ANDRO 50 work?
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Do you honestly expect the shedding to be evenly distributed? Buy some clippers and do it properly brah. Youll be paying for secks in the first scenario, but getting dem Vin Diesel lays in the latter. I mean, half the studz on pornhub have shaved domes and pornhub accurately reflects reality.
 
Nac said:
Do you honestly expect the shedding to be evenly distributed? Buy some clippers and do it properly brah. Youll be paying for secks in the first scenario, but getting dem Vin Diesel lays in the latter. I mean, half the studz on pornhub have shaved domes and pornhub accurately reflects reality.
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Well, that's good news lol.
 
Alternatively you could also become "Hatman" who's super power is the ability to wear a hat all day every day in every situation.
 
ericos_bob said:
I'm a bald 32 year old who has unusually high DHT and a genetic predisposition for moon face. You're not about to grow a lower jaw to rival a male salmon in spawn anymore. Where's your bf level at? I find at less than 10-12% the moon face becomes a triangle.
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I already have a square jaw and an attractive lean face, that's not what I'm after.

I'm after the leathery skin texture and the beard.

Today I look like an attractive boy. I want to look like a man
 
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