In your experience what has more sides Epistane or Msten

Rparm12

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I have epistane a couple times with very little sides ( some lethargy, slight back bumps, slight headaches, cracky joints, slight bacne) but noting to crazy. To those that have ran both what came with more sides Epistane or Msten. Some people just react so bad with epistane and get the worse sides, while with Msten I rarely hear anyone mention any sides besides your typical lethargy
 
Rparm12 said:
I have epistane a couple times with very little sides ( some lethargy, slight back bumps, slight headaches, cracky joints, slight bacne) but noting to crazy. To those that have ran both what came with more sides Epistane or Msten. Some people just react so bad with epistane and get the worse sides, while with Msten I rarely hear anyone mention any sides besides your typical lethargy
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I am one of the unfortunate ones with Epistane. So for me, Msten had less sides. But it is subjective.
 
Ran epi twice and felt great other than back pumps, and joints got dry the last few days. Haven’t run msten yet but will in a few months.
 
Ran Msten last year, 4 weeks at 28mg... Biggest issue I had were the back freaking pumps. Holy hell... Some days were horrendous! Blood pressure spike was noticable also. With that said, I swole up big time on it.

I'm currently running Epistane.... Almost one week into it at 30mg. Sides have been very minimal. Biggest thing so far has been the slight uptick with blood pressure, that's it.
 
Thinking about running Msten on a cut, some people say it would be great for it, while others disagree. What you guys think?
 
Ran epistane twice no problem, did msten once and felt like death towards the end of 4 weeks, brain fog but boy did it build the muscle, far superior to epi in my opinion for building muscle
 
Epistane has a fair amount of side effects for me (gyno, joint pain, lethargy, cramps, back pumps, etc) while msten only gave me shin pumps. Everyone is different though.
 
If you're cutting I would stick to epi. If not may as well give sten a shot. You never k ow till you try
 
jrock645 said:
What if you ate at maintenence on msten. Supposed to be very dry, so potentially good recomp?
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Hard to say, steroids are very user dependent. Epistane did wonders for me during a recomp. He seems to get less sides from it then I do so I lean toward epi for that scenario.

On the same token I k ow MSTEN is another favorite amongst a lot of people. So it's hard to say since I've never taken sten, just researched the hell out of it.
 
I never tried epi but msten is in my top 2 orals and I’ve run quite a few. I used msten in a cut and in a lean bulk and I ****ing enjoyed it. My liver took a little beating once and BP slightly elevated but that’s it
 
Yeah it's kind of a toss up. Epi shreds you up and fills you out awesome at 45mg a day. Gym aggression is great too. But plenty love MSTEN. That said I think epi is drier and better suited if you're trying to get shredded. I'm sure sten will do the trick too but I doubt you will be as ripped
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah it's kind of a toss up. Epi shreds you up and fills you out awesome at 45mg a day. Gym aggression is great too. But plenty love MSTEN. That said I think epi is drier and better suited if you're trying to get shredded. I'm sure sten will do the trick too but I doubt you will be as ripped
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Ive never run epi at more than 30. First run was 25. Couldnt handle dmz over 30 either.

About 12 days into epi now as prt of a stack, so we’ll see. Thinking about msten to recomp for my summer run but never used it before.
 
Yeah sten seems like a solid compound for lean bulking and recomping
 
Tbh some people might flame me for saying that but regardless of sides if we re only talking gains / results msten is superior
 
Mathb33 said:
Tbh some people might flame me for saying that but regardless of sides if we re only talking gains / results msten is superior
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I agree that msten is a superior muscle builder (in my opinion).
But Epistane is superior on a cut.

... But opinions differ.
 
Neither gave me huge side effects, Msten gave a little more back pumps but that is all I remember.
 
Thinking about running Msten 20mg a day for 6 weeks along with LGD-4033 at 7.5mg and 15mg of ostaraine. all for 6 weeks. And maybe I throw in something like arimistane since Lgd and Msten slightly retain water. I know when I run arimistane that sh1t drys me the f$ck out
 
Rparm12 said:
Thinking about running Msten 20mg a day for 6 weeks along with LGD-4033 at 7.5mg and 15mg of ostaraine. all for 6 weeks. And maybe I throw in something like arimistane since Lgd and Msten slightly retain water. I know when I run arimistane that sh1t drys me the f$ck out
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LGD or 6 weeks isn't the best choice, 6 weeks is too short IMO.

If I were you I would use the LGD and osta money to buy some dmz to stack with the msten
 
I've got a bottle of msten I'm starting soon. 500 tudca daily good enough? Got a bottle of that and a bottle of CEL cycle support. Using it to kickstart my first blast.
 
GrizzleB said:
I've got a bottle of msten I'm starting soon. 500 tudca daily good enough? Got a bottle of that and a bottle of CEL cycle support. Using it to kickstart my first blast.
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Should be enough considering that you’re only running msten to kickstart, and also considering that you’ll be using cel cycle assist with it.
 
RickyBlobby said:
LGD or 6 weeks isn't the best choice, 6 weeks is too short IMO.

If I were you I would use the LGD and osta money to buy some dmz to stack with the msten
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I’ve ran dmz before, I ran with it M1A both at 20mg, dude I blew the f$ck up with very few sides (besides the typical common sides back pumps, slight acne, raised blood pressure etc) but within a week of getting off its like I deflated, prob some thing to do with the glycogen retention. Pct was nolva 40/30/20/20 and super PCT. I’d prob only run dmz again if maybe I’m about to go on vacation to the beach or something and pick up some girls. Then I would run it 3 weeks before I go on vacation and the last week be on it while on vacation lmao.
 
Rparm12 said:
I have epistane a couple times with very little sides ( some lethargy, slight back bumps, slight headaches, cracky joints, slight bacne) but noting to crazy. To those that have ran both what came with more sides Epistane or Msten. Some people just react so bad with epistane and get the worse sides, while with Msten I rarely hear anyone mention any sides besides your typical lethargy[/QUOT

Sadly enough for me I get horrible blood pressure leves from msten and don't even talk about my cholesterol. Although I do take all of the necessary precautions in terms of pct, and on cycle support. Msten still leaves my body a slight mess. Now Epistane, My bp levels like to go up and down and cholesterol stays very steady. back pumps? very little. overall epi brings me little side effects.
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Renew1 said:
Extreme lethargy, anxiety, difficulty sleeping. ...also some back pumps.
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Psst.. 40-60mg of cbd (oral use or through a vape) will ease that anxiety and difficulty sleeping. but on the downside it will also cause the lethargy to become more so.
 
I ran Msten and dmz (30 and 60 respectively), nearly my whole cycle. really great gains but after 4 weeks i felt like ****. solo without test or a base so i regret that. strength gains were incredible, thats what i noticed even before size
 
BarryBondsHOF said:
I ran Msten and dmz (30 and 60 respectively), nearly my whole cycle. really great gains but after 4 weeks i felt like ****. solo without test or a base so i regret that. strength gains were incredible, thats what i noticed even before size
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Wow, those were dosed high especially stacking them at those doses. No wonder you felt like crap lol.
 
rascal14 said:
Neither gave me huge side effects, Msten gave a little more back pumps but that is all I remember.
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This was my experience as well... epi was a tad better for strength for me while sten was abit better for overall size.
 
SwoleNation said:
Ran Msten last year, 4 weeks at 28mg... Biggest issue I had were the back freaking pumps. Holy hell... Some days were horrendous! Blood pressure spike was noticable also. With that said, I swole up big time on it.

I'm currently running Epistane.... Almost one week into it at 30mg. Sides have been very minimal. Biggest thing so far has been the slight uptick with blood pressure, that's it.
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How did you Epi run go bro? How would you compare sides/gains to Msten?
 
For those of you having sides with different compounds, are support supps and test base all the same or did you try changing some supps or doses to get rid of sides? And was it successful after changing?
 
HardNips said:
For those of you having sides with different compounds, are support supps and test base all the same or did you try changing some supps or doses to get rid of sides? And was it successful after changing?
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When I compared Epistane to Msten, I was comparing them with comparable supps and bases.
But a Lot of times, supps and Test base do make some difference, at least.
 
Renew1 said:
When I compared Epistane to Msten, I was comparing them with comparable supps and bases.
But a Lot of times, supps and Test base do make some difference, at least.
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Ok that’s what I was thinking. Sounds like epi may need a higher test base dose? because of the sides.
 
HardNips said:
Daaang. That’s no good, definitely for my stomach lol. Did the stomach issues last even after the cycle?
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yessir i cant remember how long. stuff definately delivers a transformation but feeling like you just want to die for months and months is a deal breaker lol
 
jrock645 said:
Ive never run epi at more than 30. First run was 25. Couldnt handle dmz over 30 either.

About 12 days into epi now as prt of a stack, so we’ll see. Thinking about msten to recomp for my summer run but never used it before.
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Epi for me worked best at 50 mgs a day.
1st week or so 30 mgs , then 40 for 2 weeks , then next 3 weeks or so at 50.

But the last time epi did nothing for me.
Didn't get it from a reputable source though and don't know how old it was
 
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