Is it coming out of the center of the nipple or is the white spot on the outside of it? Did it "pop" and then white stuff came out or dose it come out without you touching them? It is possible they are just whiteheads on your nips. If you were lactating your nips should be puffy. Can you continuously squeeze white stuff out or did it just happen 1 time? You def should not be lactating from Epi.
Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said: Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.
1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc
Example Torem Dosing: - Invalid Link Removed
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm
You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board. Please someone let me know if this is overkill for Torem
I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better
5. Test Booster - I have heard good things on the following: Dermacrine Sustain, Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).
All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.
With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.
Things To Note
1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!
2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT Invalid Link Removed
3. Know what gyno is and the symptoms of gyno: Invalid Link Removed
Bassgod - They're def lactating. Its not whiteheads or anything.
Matthew - White Top epi with white caps.
John - Clear liquid. I don't wanna see the doc because I don't want him putting anything about steroids in my file and possibly messing up my health insurance. Plus most docs are retarded when it comes to this stuff. All he'll probably tell me is "Stop taking that stuff and let it get out of your body"...
I've been taking the b6 @200mg ed for 3 days now. When I woke up this morning I tried squeezing and nothing came out. One 1 side a tiny little bit came out. Im going to continue the b6 for a couple more days and possibly get some p5p. I'll see how everything looks in about 2 weeks when Im done PCT
Do not do this please. B6 can cause permenant nerve damage at doses higher than 200mg. I know this from personal experience, trust me. Drop the B6 and buy some Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate (P-5-P) It has no toxicity issues and 50mg of P-5-P is equivalent to 250mg of B6. Take the P-5-P 3 times per day. You may want to look into some bulk 1-carboxy from Nutra. It is L-Dopa and dopamine significantly effects your prolactin levels. Also, did your Epi bottle have a white or black top?
You are experiencing prolactin gyno, in which case a serm or AI will not help and you need Dostinex. But as already mentioned you should balls up and tell your doctor whats going on. Dostinex is very expensive, although you only need to take it every 3 days.
Bassgod - They're def lactating. Its not whiteheads or anything.
Matthew - White Top epi with white caps.
John - Clear liquid. I don't wanna see the doc because I don't want him putting anything about steroids in my file and possibly messing up my health insurance. Plus most docs are retarded when it comes to this stuff. All he'll probably tell me is "Stop taking that stuff and let it get out of your body"...
I've been taking the b6 @200mg ed for 3 days now. When I woke up this morning I tried squeezing and nothing came out. One 1 side a tiny little bit came out. Im going to continue the b6 for a couple more days and possibly get some p5p. I'll see how everything looks in about 2 weeks when Im done post cycle therapy
I would try a Mucuna Pruriens product(USP Labs Powerfull, Applied Nutriceuticals Lipotrophin-PM, LG Sciences I-GH-1), b/c those have worked well for me to control prolactin on cycle and in PCT(I've been in your shoes before). If you were to begin using one of those products, you'd likely find relief in about 7-10 days. Also, try and refrain from squeezing your nipples, b/c this can also prolong the lactation, due to overstimulation. This is a far superior alternative to B-6 consumption and and a safer/cheaper option than pharmaceutical cabergoline.
Bro you seriously need to get dostinex, there are 2 different kinds of gyno, estrogen related and prolactin related which causes exactly what you describe. Nolva, aromasin or any other serm or AI will not help. So since you can't tell your doc then get looking for some dostinex. I know this from personal experience.
Oh yeah and stacking aromasin and Nolva is kind of redundant being that aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor to the aromatase enzyme resducing estrogen by like 90%. Nolva is specifically designed to stop the estrogen from binding to breast tissue, making it very useful for gyno. But what I am saying is they both reduce estrogen. You should stack aromasin with clomid for it's ability to get your natural test levels back to par.
Oh yeah and stacking aromasin and Nolva is kind of redundant being that aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor to the aromatase enzyme resducing estrogen by like 90%. Nolva is specifically designed to stop the estrogen from binding to breast tissue, making it very useful for gyno. But what I am saying is they both reduce estrogen. You should stack aromasin with clomid for it's ability to get your natural test levels back to par.
As you said tamox is just to stop the binding of the estro with the tissues, it doesn't mean it stop the production, isn't it that's why there's the theory of AI+Serm taken inverse? :blink:
The 60 tablet Now brand P-5-P bottle is only $6.99. Go get some. Not sure where you live, but P-5-P is not that difficult to find in grocery or health stores. I bought some a few weeks ago, took me 15 minutes to find it and only went to 2 stores.
If it were me, I would go to the doctor. Besides, you were taking a legal product. If you feel your doctor is not up to date, you should consider going to a different doctor.
Please provide your proof to back up your statement. Thank you. Always be careful about what you state to be 100% truth / fact. I'll wait patiently for you to back up this claim. Links etc :thumbsup:
To everyone else, I'm no guru but talk to those that are these statements make no sense what so ever. I have been over this numerous times.
IBE states that what is in the bottle is what is listed on the label..enough said.
If you don't want to run it or want to get rid of it I'll take it off your hands for shipping cost!
This is the first I have heard of this though honestly. Not sure if it is a prolactin problem or not, but if it is, some find cabergoline does the trick.
In your link PA states that there are 2 different chemicals in each bottle. I have used the white cap version myself and it was indeed Epistane. What is in the black cap version then?
In your link PA states that there are 2 different chemicals in each bottle. I have used the white cap version myself and it was indeed Epistane. What is in the black cap version then?
Same exact thing. There were times where we couldn't obtain black tops for the sized bottles we had so we went with white tops to prevent any backorders.
There was never two versions, all versions were tested more thoroughly than any other company on the market. If any company would like to challenge us on that then they are more than welcome to step forward but we had two separate labs do tests and one of which is a very renowned lab. I can guarantee no one else had X-Ray diffraction done on their compounds.
You are experiencing prolactin gyno, in which case a serm or AI will not help and you need Dostinex. But as already mentioned you should balls up and tell your doctor whats going on. Dostinex is very expensive, although you only need to take it every 3 days.
he may also try to get a less expensive version of cabergoline than Dostinex, such as Sogilen or Cabaser.
at least to me, Dostinex would be about roughly 15$ for 1 tab of 0.5mg, but Sogilen (as example) would be roughly 3$ for 1 tab of 1mg each (which you can take at 1/2 tabs). Cabaser was even less expensive, but possibly more difficult to get.
because it may take some time to get this stuff in case you need it, i always consider it great insurance to have SOME cabergoline lying around (just for cases like this). and it's great for sex, too...
This quote from PA: "there is more than one form of epistane apparently. a black cap and a white cap version with different chemicals in each. on top of that, the user feedback varies quite widely." I loved Epistane myself, and the supposed "tainted" batch is long gone from the shelves, so it really doesn't matter anymore I guess. IBE is a great company and I will definitely be purchasing Epi again when it comes out in the near future. I've just read posts from people using the black cap version and they were reporting bad sides as opposed to those who used the white cap version like myself. Those people reported great cycles with little to no sides at all. I'm confused as PA stated in that quote that the 2 different bottles contained 2 different chemicals. Is he just going by the reviews that have been posted or did he actually test both bottles?
He did not test both bottles. He thinks that the different colored caps means different compounds when really we just had a shortage of a particular color cap. At any rate lets get back on subject. There are numerous threads on this subject on various boards .
he may also try to get a less expensive version of cabergoline than Dostinex, such as Sogilen or Cabaser.
at least to me, Dostinex would be about roughly 15$ for 1 tab of 0.5mg, but Sogilen (as example) would be roughly 3$ for 1 tab of 1mg each (which you can take at 1/2 tabs). Cabaser was even less expensive, but possibly more difficult to get.
because it may take some time to get this stuff in case you need it, i always consider it great insurance to have SOME cabergoline lying around (just for cases like this). and it's great for sex, too...
I tried Carber once for it sexual benefits. I had to stop after the second dose. I felt like I was having a panic attack until it left my system. Constantly felt nervous and scared for about a week till it left my system. Then I also read the thread about it causing heart valve problems....
Please provide your proof to back up your statement. Thank you. Always be careful about what you state to be 100% truth / fact. I'll wait patiently for you to back up this claim. Links etc :thumbsup:
To everyone else, I'm no guru but talk to those that are these statements make no sense what so ever. I have been over this numerous times.
IBE states that what is in the bottle is what is listed on the label..enough said.
If you don't want to run it or want to get rid of it I'll take it off your hands for shipping cost!
I ran the infamous 'black cap' bottle of Epi and had nothing but GREAT gains and 0 side effects. I've also researched, and if I'm not mistaken, even IF there was a chance it was tren in the caps, there wouldn't be enough there to make a damn difference being the dosage amounts are too low in that little cap and cost to put it in there.
I just read a thread on these forums about that a week or so ago.
I did see some black helicopters flying over my house earlier today however.......
I've been taking 200mg of b6 every day since I noticed it. After the 3rd day there was nothing. I'm going to continue taking the b6 for another week and end when my pct is finished.
Well that's all very nice and dandy, pfff, you'll never go far with that straightforward and logical thinking :nono:. I hope your 'logic' works out for you :stick:
I ran the infamous 'black cap' bottle of Epi and had nothing but GREAT gains and 0 side effects. I've also researched, and if I'm not mistaken, even IF there was a chance it was tren in the caps, there wouldn't be enough there to make a damn difference being the dosage amounts are too low in that little cap and cost to put it in there.
I just read a thread on these forums about that a week or so ago.
I did see some black helicopters flying over my house earlier today however.......
Well that's all very nice and dandy, pfff, you'll never go far with that straightforward and logical thinking :nono:. I hope your 'logic' works out for you :stick:
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