In a tough spot

[Infieldfly]

So my son plays college football. Only at the D3 level but in a very good D3 conference. He gets hurt quite a bit as a result of a couple shoulder surgeries. He’s now 21 and wants to do a cycle to increase his strength for his last season. He’s talking about test stacked with anavar. He’s very open with me and since I know he’s going to do it, I’d like to be able to give him some advice. Any help? He’s 5’11” 225 with tree trunk legs.

 

[Renew1]

So my son plays college football. Only at the D3 level but in a very good D3 conference. He gets hurt quite a bit as a result of a couple shoulder surgeries. He’s now 21 and wants to do a cycle to increase his strength for his last season. He’s talking about test stacked with anavar. He’s very open with me and since I know he’s going to do it, I’d like to be able to give him some advice. Any help? He’s 5’11” 225 with tree trunk legs.

I hope he doesn't get tested.

 

[Infieldfly]

I hope he doesn't get tested.

That’s why he’s doing it now. His season is over so he won’t be tested till next year. It’s not like D1

 

[Infieldfly]

I hope he doesn't get tested.

He had latarjet surgery twice basically. Second time was to fix where the pins cracked the collarbone.

 

[BBiceps]

Use Test P because it’ll get out of the system faster, no need to dose too high, 350mg ew should be enough and start at 50mg ed with the Var. Use for 8 weeks and do a strong PCT (Clomid@25mg ed) for 6-8 weeks after.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Damn I think 21 is still too young but if he's going to do it anyways then I agree with @BBiceps reply above. Also he's 21 and in college so this is the hard part. Absolutely no alcohol and if he's not eating a high protein high carb diet then i don't care how much gear he blasts it won't do a damn thing

 

[Infieldfly]

Damn I think 21 is still too young but if he's going to do it anyways then I agree with @BBiceps reply above. Also he's 21 and in college so this is the hard part. Absolutely no alcohol and if he's not eating a high protein high carb diet then i don't care how much gear he blasts it won't do a damn thing

His protein intake is first rate and he doesn’t drink or smoke or vape or anything

 

[Infieldfly]

Use Test P because it’ll get out of the system faster, no need to dose too high, 350mg ew should be enough and start at 50mg ed with the Var. Use for 8 weeks and do a strong PCT (Clomid@25mg ed) for 6-8 weeks after.

Side effect will be minimal?

 

[Rad83]

Slippery slope starting this young, because it’s a very addictive lifestyle…pct can possibly bring negative mental health issues.
Much of the strength and size gains will be gone by next season. (You keep some, if you everything is spot on, but not all….also watching your physique regress, and the “on look” fade away, is quite rough mentally)

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Side effect will be minimal?

test prop will mean everyday injections. I would recommend test e or test c so he doesn't have to inject as often. this might lessen some risk but offer like results. since he isn't getting tested right away, this will be a pretty benign cycle and yet offer some decent ergogenic effects. make sure you have him look into Hyperion so he can help maintain some of those newfound gains.

 

[Dick-Hertz]

So my son plays college football. Only at the D3 level but in a very good D3 conference. He gets hurt quite a bit as a result of a couple shoulder surgeries. He’s now 21 and wants to do a cycle to increase his strength for his last season. He’s talking about test stacked with anavar. He’s very open with me and since I know he’s going to do it, I’d like to be able to give him some advice. Any help? He’s 5’11” 225 with tree trunk legs.

Stupid to even being doing it for these reasons at age 21. I get it, most do as well.

If he gets bloods done he may have very high levels that he will be suppressing and maybe damaging for good...

 

[Mikereyn513]

Side effect will be minimal?

It should be at this small of a dose but again he is young...the only way to tell is through bloodwork..obviously if he's prone to acne that would be noticeable..if his nipples start to become itchy or more sensitive than normal that's early onset of gyno and you'll need to add a SERM..again you won't know until you start. Please try and stress to him this isn't like taking creatine where it's just some snap decision and you can take it whenever and if you forget it's not that big of a deal

 

[Mikereyn513]

Before he starts I seriously recommend you BOTH sit down together and watch Seth feroce's steroids, drugs, and life videos especially parts 1 and 2 so you can get an idea of how serious this is. This isn't just walking into GNC and picking out a few things to "try"

 

[Quest]

Great job raising an athlete to the college level. I hope I develop my relationship with my boy as far as you!

Something tells me you will find the right answer, you have made it this far!
Good luck brother

 

[BBiceps]

test prop will mean everyday injections. I would recommend test e or test c so he doesn't have to inject as often. this might lessen some risk but offer like results. since he isn't getting tested right away, this will be a pretty benign cycle and yet offer some decent ergogenic effects. make sure you have him look into Hyperion so he can help maintain some of those newfound gains.

Eod is fine to inject with Test P and it will hit faster than Test C/E since he only want to do 8 weeks.

 

[Infieldfly]

Great job raising an athlete to the college level. I hope I develop my relationship with my boy as far as you!

Something tells me you will find the right answer, you have made it this far!
Good luck brother

Thank you.

 

[Infieldfly]

So my son plays college football. Only at the D3 level but in a very good D3 conference. He gets hurt quite a bit as a result of a couple shoulder surgeries. He’s now 21 and wants to do a cycle to increase his strength for his last season. He’s talking about test stacked with anavar. He’s very open with me and since I know he’s going to do it, I’d like to be able to give him some advice. Any help? He’s 5’11” 225 with tree trunk legs.

Thank you to everyone for the sound advice, I will show him the pros and cons that you all have written. Most concerning to me is what XR1pp3RX is referring to. I’ll update after we (he) decides.

 

[Quest]

My son just had a screw put into his elbow from throwing. He cracked his growth plate.
Couple more weeks of rehab. Scares me where you said the pins cracked the collar bone. This is supposed to be one surgery done and permanent. And his velo will go up he said.

 

[WesleyInman]

My advice would be to make sure his PCT is A+

In the hospital I saw patients take 2-12 months to return HPTA. Id be sure he does clomid at 25mgs at least 2/3 months if not longer. Get off, wait a few weeks and retest.

If he's still low put him.back in clomid. Clomids safe and very effective. It's tolerated well by most overall

Watch for acne and mood swings and a small % of people complain of blurred vision.

 

[Smont]

Side effect will be minimal?

No1 can answer that, it's different for everyone

 

[Infieldfly]

My advice would be to make sure his PCT is A+

In the hospital I saw patients take 2-12 months to return HPTA. Id be sure he does clomid at 25mgs at least 2/3 months if not longer. Get off, wait a few weeks and retest.

If he's still low put him.back in clomid. Clomids safe and very effective. It's tolerated well by most overall

Watch for acne and mood swings and a small % of people complain of blurred vision.

Thank you. Glad I found this site.

 

[N2ofusion]

Just doesn’t seem worth it. What’s the real goal after college? If he’s not getting drafted into the NFL I would be pushing him into the library instead

 

[Renew1]

 

[Burnfire]

I’d be looking into some bpc157 and tb500 just to make sure that shoulder is good if that was me. Shoot some mk677 as well. He has plenty of time to grow imo.

 

[Infieldfly]

I’d be looking into some bpc157 and tb500 just to make sure that shoulder is good if that was me. Shoot some mk677 as well. He has plenty of time to grow imo.

Not sure what that stuff is. Steroids or supplements?

 

[Infieldfly]

My son just had a screw put into his elbow from throwing. He cracked his growth plate.
Couple more weeks of rehab. Scares me where you said the pins cracked the collar bone. This is supposed to be one surgery done and permanent. And his velo will go up he said.

Yeah, they told us the surgery would actually make the connection to the collarbone stronger. Sophomore year at high school he was in pain after the second practice. X-rays showed cracks in his collarbone where the pins were inserted. Second surgery required.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Not sure what that stuff is. Steroids or supplements?

They're peptides, it actually wouldn't be a bad idea to look into those. He would get popped on his test scince they're banned by usada but it's what all the ufc fughters use to recover from injuries like the one your son has

 

[Burnfire]

Not sure what that stuff is. Steroids or supplements?

Here easier if I just copy it you’ll get it easier.


What is BPC 157? BPC 157 Peptides are made of 15 Amino Acids and are derived from human gastric juices. A lot of experiments have shown how BPC 157 Peptides can heal different kinds of tissues. These include:

• Tendons
• Muscles
• Nervous System
• And Ligaments

Thus, it’s pretty much safe to say that patients who suffer discomfort from those mentioned above can benefit from BPC 157 healing work as this peptide can increase the blood flow going back to the areas of injuries. It can also protect organs, prevent stomach ulcers, and even heal skin burns.

BPC 157 Peptides or the Gastric Pentadecapeptide BPC 157 have also been found to have the promoting effect when it comes to tendon healing involving:

• Tendon Outgrowth
• Cell Survival
• And Cell Mitigation

WHAT ELSE IS BPC 157 KNOWN FOR?
BPC 157 is also known to be a partial sequence from the human gastric protein BPC. It:

• Has been found in isolated gastric juice
• Found out to be stable and very much resistant to hydrolysis or enzyme digestion
• Easily dissolved in water
• Does not need any carrier to be applied
• Has found out to heal wounds such as:
• Gastric ulcer
• Skin
• Cornea
• Muscle
• Colon-Colon Anastomosis
• Colocutaneous Fistula
• And even Segmental Bone Defect

The BPC 157 has also been found to speed up the healing process of Transected Rat Achilles Tendon and even the Medial Collateral Ligament of Knee.

As of the moment, this is being used for clinical trials to heal inflammatory bowel disease.

Let’s take a closer look at BPC 157’s mechanisms.

Although its healing process has not been fully and clearly understood as of the moment yet since it is still undergoing clinical trials, it has been said that it may have a control function of collagen fragments.

Also, it has been showing its connection with bone function proteins.

 

[Burnfire]

TB 500 is a synthetic peptide that’s composed of 29 amino acids. Its main purpose was to help with the healing process of muscles and bones. However, it wasn’t long before people discovered its potential to assist with anti-aging. It helps to promote new tissue growth by signaling the body to produce more collagen.

Collagen is responsible for giving skin its elasticity and helping to reduce the appearance of wrinkles. TB 500 has also been found to be beneficial in repairing damaged muscle tissue as well as reducing inflammation. This makes it an excellent choice for those who are recovering from injuries or surgery.

Additionally, because it can help to boost energy levels, TB 500 can be helpful for those who are struggling with fatigue or chronic fatigue.

How Does TB 500 Work Exactly?
As we’ve mentioned, it achieves this through a process called “targeted tissue repair”. This means that TB 500 will only affect areas in your body where it’s needed most. What makes this peptide even more appealing is its ability to promote cell growth without causing any undesirable side effects.

 

[Quest]

That sucks. They told us if the screw breaks he's done. He didn't say anything about the bone cracking. Just doing my best to keep the dream alive. Good luck brother

 

[Stacks1]

I don't like this at all. 21 is young and it is never just the 1 cycle.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Just doesn’t seem worth it. What’s the real goal after college? If he’s not getting drafted into the NFL I would be pushing him into the library instead

I like this advice .. to be honest we all know all, he is going to run it .. and its the addiction game once you get on it and see the gainz.

hope he always stays open with you and take advice from advance users .. i really have no suggestion but best of luck to him .. and hopefully we do see father/son on nfl field one day and can say we all know those 2