No, it's like saying "I was taking creatine when I got a kidney infection and had complete renal failure." It's applicable because creatine DOES have a direct effect on the renal system- under the right circumstances (and given a million other things that COULD cause renal failure) creatine could be blamed and enough evidence constructed to suggest creatine could be the culprit. However, one could play devils advocate, as you are right now, and suggest that there's no scientific proof that creatine could have caused the renal failure. Theoretically, if creatine did, without a doubt cause renal failure in an otherwise healthy patient, how could researchers definitively PROVE that it did, without you suggesting A) an underlying condition, or B) another substance or catalyst? It's simply impossible.
so what youve done here is completely change what i said and then use that agianst me in an argument about creatine causing renal failure....hmmm...dont ever join the debate team because you would lose points for that one...
The argument you're suggesting is the same argument lobbyists have been using to keep cigarettes legal. You'll never, ever definitively PROVE that something causes cancer, simply because a substances isn't inherently cancerous- cigarettes increase the risk of cancer, alcoholism increases the risk of cirrhosis and liver disease, leading to cancer. Methylated steroid abuse increases the risk of cirrhosis and liver disease, leading to cancer. We know that the toxin causes X amount of variables to increase, but we can't actually PROVE that the substance causes cancer. your right...you cant prove steroids cause cancer
Another example: The fast food industry has argued that you cannot definitively PROVE that their food is the culprit to America’s obesity and heart disease issues. They simply suggest that America's caloric intake and pre-disposition to heart disease is the cause of obesity and heart disease, and that their food plays a neutral role in something they cannot control- a person's choice to eat too many calories, and a persons pre-determined health disposition.
i agree that its not the fast food industries fault that your fat...its your own fault for eating the food...they dont make you eat it...
Face it. There's no way to PROVE that something causes cancer, without someone coming along and disproving your hypothesis by simply questioning your manner of conclusion. Refer to the movie "Thank You for Smoking" for more insight. Let's just agree that cigarette use can cause cancer, and methylated steroids can cause liver disease or cancer as well. We know the "proof" is there, but we're questioning the validity of the evidence because we think it's flawed, or we think it's propaganda. It isn't. These things really do have the ability to cause cancer. It's our job to, instead of question the research, USE the research to our advantage and be mindful of the effects that certain steroids can have.
