IML R-andro and 4-Andro lean gain log

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I started this one today because I couldn't wait. This isn't sponsored I just wanted to continue working on getting my bench back.

When I did the oral R-andro log, I was benching in the 300+ realm quite regularly. Repair of the torn pec is coming along well. Of course the sponsored Gear cream log helped a lot and I appreciate getting to do it.

Started with 3 pumps of R-andro and 3 pumps of 4-andro also. I'm also using my own epi(100 mg) concoction in a pump spray bottle also. I'll tell more details Monday.
Today's workout:
Chest & tris:
Precor bench seat 4:
135 X8
155 X5
160 X5
165 X5
170 X5
175 X5
Incline flies:
25s X8 G8
25s X 8
25s X8
Cable crossovers:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
V bar pushdowns:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Precor tri ext seat2:
60 X10
60 X10
Rope pushdowns:
80 X10
80 X 10
80 X10
 
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This is definitely a feel good stack. Kinda reminds of the way I feel on test prop.
The workouts will be:
Monday- leg day
Wednesday- back & bis
Friday- chest chest & tris

Delts and abs are in there too. Just kinda here and there.

Diet will be CKD with dextrose/glucose pre and peri workout.

I will be taking 300 mgs of ALA along with my pre-workout. The pwo will contain 45 grams of dextrose, 25 grams of whey, citrulline and various cholinergics.
 
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Feet forward squats:
135 X10
185 X8
185 X6
205 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
Seated calf raises:
125 X 25 toes mid
125 X 25 toes in
125 X 25 toes out
 
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This is definitely a feel good stack. Kinda reminds of the way I feel on test prop.
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Good to hear, curious how much of that is the 4 ? ...I plan on running that product later this summer with a methyl...

Still 3 pumps once a day with it?
 
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Good to hear, curious how much of that is the 4 ? ...I plan on running that product later this summer with a methyl...

Still 3 pumps once a day with it?
Yeah 3 pumps of each. When I did the oral R-andro before with a test base it felt similar. The 4-andro with an oral should good tho because it feels pretty much the same as a test base.
 
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Rack deadlifts:
185 X8
255 X5
275 X3
305 X1
Stiff leg deads:
225 X5
225 X5
Precor wide-grip pulldowns:
120 X 9 G9
120 X9
1Precor seated rows:
100 X10
100 X10
100 X10
Facepulls:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Cable lat raise:
30 X 10,10
20 X10,10
Ez curls cable:
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
100 X10
100 X10
Precor preacher curls:
65 X10
65 X10
65 X10
 
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Yeah 3 pumps of each. When I did the oral R-andro before with a test base it felt similar. The 4-andro with an oral should good tho because it feels pretty much the same as a test base.
Thanks for the info!

So if I have this correct, it works out to 112.5mg of 4andro....I’m guessing the transdermal makes it more effective!? ...Because a lot of what I read suggests oral 4andro at 330mg...

Interesting stuff
 
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Thanks for the info!

So if I have this correct, it works out to 112.5mg of 4andro....I’m guessing the transdermal makes it more effective!? ...Because a lot of what I read suggests oral 4andro at 330mg...

Interesting stuff
Yeah transdermal is way more effective. I ran the oral R-andro at 300 mgs a day. I think the dose on this one is 100 mgs.
 
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I did an on the bike Thursday. Legs were still sore. :p
Fridays workout:
Chest & tris:
Precor bench seat 4:
135 X8
160 X5
165 X5
175 X5
180 X5
185 X5
Incline bench:
115 X8
135 X6
95 X10
Incline flies:
25s X 8G8
25s X 8
Cable crossovers:
80 X10
90 X8
100 X6
V bar pushdowns:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Precor tri ext seat2:
60 X10
60 X10
Rope pushdowns:
80 X10
80 X 10
80 X10
Knee ups:
21 G21
21
21
 
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Don't ask me why but I did 10 sets of feet forward squats today.
Feet forward squats:
135 X10
185 X8
205 X6
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
 
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Did one hour on stationary yesterday.
I flipped bench to Wednesday cuz I want squats and deads more days apart.
Chest & tris:
Precor bench seat 4:
135 X8
165 X5
170 X5
180 X5
185 X5
185 X5
Incline bench:
95 X10
115 X8
135 X6
Incline flies:
25s X8 G8
25s X 8
Cable crossovers:
80 X10
90 X8
100 X6
V bar pushdowns:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Precor tri ext:
60 X10
60 X10
Rope pushdowns:
80 X10
80 X 10
80 X10
Knee ups:
21 G21
21
21
 
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Hour on stationary yesterday.
Did back & bis today
Deadlifts:
185 X9
255 x5
255 X5
275 X3
295X 2
305 X1
Stiff leg deads:
225 X5
225 X5
Precor wide-grip pulldowns:
120 X 10 G10
120 X10
Precor seated rows:
100 X10
100 X10
100 X10
Facepulls:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Cable lat raise:
30 X 10,10 R&L
30 X10,10
Ez curls cable:
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
100 X10
100 X10
Precor preacher curls:
65 X10
65 X10
65 X10
 
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Wasn't feeling it today but got this done anyway.
In the rack squats:
135 X8
185 X6
235 X5
235 X5
Feet forward squats:
225 X5
225 X5
Seated leg curls:
80 X 10G10
80 X10
80 X10
Leg ext:
120 X10
120 X10
120 X10
Seated calf raises:
Mid 125 X20 G20
In 125 X20
Out 125 X20
Precor ab machine:
100 X15
100 X15
100 X25
 
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Chest & tris:
Precor bench seat 4:
135 X8
165 X5
170 X5
180 X5
185 X5
185 X5
Incline bench:
95 X10
115 X8
135 X6
Precor flies:
80 X10
80 X10
Cable crossovers:
70 X10
80 X8
90 X6
Vbar pushdowns:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Precor tri ext:
60 X10
60 X10
Rope pushdowns:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Knee ups
21 G21
21
21
 
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This kinda seems like long workout. Maybe I'll mix it up a bit. Wasn't bad just seemed to take awhile. Love how I feel on the R-andro tho.
Back & bis:
Deadlifts:
185 X8
255 X5
275 X5
295 X 3
305 X2
315 X1
Stiff leg deads:
225 X5
225 X5
Precor wide-grip pulldowns:
120 X10 G10
120 X10
Precor seated rows:
100 X10
100 X10
100 X10
Facepulls:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Cable lat raise:
30 X 10 R&L
25 X10
Ez curls cable:
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
110 X10
110 X10
Precor preacher curls:
65 X10
50 X15
35 X13 haha high rep didn't happen
 
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I started taking 300 mgs alpha gpc with my pre-workout today. Besides the focus, this also causes a GH pulse by inhibiting somatostatin. The fact I already take dream and grow helps it even more. I also get another pulse post workout by taking 2500 mgs of kratom postworkout on an empty stomach.
Taking some ALA along with my pre-workout which has carbs and protein and creatine in it. Helping with the weight gain and leverage thing.
Feet forward squats:
135 X10
185 X8
205 X6
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
 
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Are you taking ALA preworkout for shuttling of carbs? Does it help with creatine? Have heard this but didn’t know if just broscience
 
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I originally learned about it doing the crazy carb uptake thing from Lyle McDonald. Already had it on hand when I found the study using it for shuttling carbs for bodybuilding.
The study is somewhere on professional muscle. It does work. Was originally planning on using some form of IGF but since I had this already, I just went with it. Kinda cool getting the creatine uptake pre-workout with it. Injecting acetic acid kinda sucks.
 
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I planned on going back to free weight bench after I reached 5X5 with 185 on the bench on the stack plate.
I was all over the 62-65yr old 181 lb bench record when I tore my pec and am going to try to get it back.
Looks like some cruzing might have to happen. Should get the 185 for 5X5 next bench session.
Chest & tris:
Precor bench seat 4:
135 X8
170 X5
185 X5
185 X5
185 X5
185 X5
Incline bench:
95 X10
115 X8
135 X6
Precor flies:
80 X10
80 X10
Cable crossovers:
70 X10
80 X8
90 X6
Vbar pushdowns:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Precor tri ext:
60 X10
60 X10
Rope pushdowns:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Knee ups
21 G21
21
21
 
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Had no idea you were in your 60’s. Awesome numbers
That's what I'm sayin.. this guy is impressive. I respect the work ethic and determination. Can't wait to see final results of this cycle.
 
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Yeah I'm 63. I told the age group wrong tho. It's 60-64. All I had to beat was 310. It's 325 now and I'm working on this torn pec.
 
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Yeah I'm 63. I told the age group wrong tho. It's 60-64. All I had to beat was 310. It's 325 now and I'm working on this torn pec.
Did you have surgery?

I’ve been trying to heal a strained pec for months…Didn’t “feel” any injury or anything…
 
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Did you have surgery?

I’ve been trying to heal a strained pec for months…Didn’t “feel” any injury or anything…
I didn't because it wasn't a tendon. Right after it happen I injected BPC157 around it before training. Mine was torn bad so I had to start with just the bar(could even do that at first) and work up 1 ten at a time. Been thinking about surgery now because of the mutilation.
 
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*couldn't even lift bar at first. I started with a plate loaded machine with no plates.
 
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I did my cardio yesterday by walking up and down the hills around here for an hour. Some of them are pretty steep so it got intense.
Today's workout:
Back & bis:
Deadlifts:
185 X8
265 X5
275 X5
295 X 3
305 X2
315 X1
Stiff leg deads:
225 X5
225 X5
Precor wide-grip pulldowns:
120 X10 G10
120 X10
Precor seated rows:
105 X10
105 X10
105 X10
Facepulls:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Cable lat raise:
30 X 10,10 R&L
30 X10,10
Ez curls cable:
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
110 X10
110 X10
Precor preacher curls:
65 X10
65 X10
35 X20 got my burn that time
 
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Tried to flip bench day to Monday yesterday and international bench day got in the way. I did 2 sets of 5 with 170 accidentally anyway so it got turned into a 10 set volume bench day.

I did the hour cardio thing today and walked up and down hills. The intensity varies all the way through. So it was good cardio. I just hope it doesn't mess with leg day tomorrow. Legs get sore in weird places from this.

Mondays workout:
Chest & tris:
Precor bench seat 4:
135 X9
170 X5
170 X5 in wrong hole :p
185 X5
215 X3
230 X1
135 X12
135 X10
135 X10
135 X10
Precor flies:
80 X10
80 X10
Vbar pushdowns:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6
Precor tri ext:
65 X10
65 X10
Rope pushdowns:
80 X10
70 X10
60 X10
Precor ab:
100 X17
100 X17
100 X 17
 
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That's what I'm sayin.. this guy is impressive. I respect the work ethic and determination. Can't wait to see final results of this cycle.
Sadly I'm close to the end. I might tack other small cycle on or just Cruz tho.
 
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Legs were a bit sore from going up and down hills for cardio so I took it easier.
Had to push the ab work down some too because I already did these Monday. Going to deload a bit when I do pct anyway.
Feet forward squats:
135 X8
185 X6
205 X5
225 X5
225 X5
Seated leg curls:
80 X 10 G10
80 X10
80 X10
Leg ext:
120 X10
120 X10
120 X10
Seated calf raises:
Mid 125 X20 G20
In 125 X20
Out 125 X20
Precor ab machine:
100 X12G17
100 X12
100 X12
 
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Going to deload a bit when I do pct anyway.
Is there a reason for deloading in PCT? I've always tried to keep pushing hard in PCT to maintain gains. There are two times I can remember I even continued to make progress. Of course I was still in my 20s so that might be why.
 
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Is there a reason for deloading in PCT? I've always tried to keep pushing hard in PCT to maintain gains. There are two times I can remember I even continued to make progress. Of course I was still in my 20s so that might be why.
Well, I was thinking about deloading anyway. I had a bunch of injuries in a bad car wreck in 2008 and they work on me as I good along. I usually have to take some off in pct eventually.
 
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Well, I was thinking about deloading anyway. I had a bunch of injuries in a bad car wreck in 2008 and they work on me as I good along. I usually have to take some off in pct eventually.
Oh wow, in that case it sounds like a wise decision.
 
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This is the last of this log. I have to do a bit of a review of the td R-andro. This is very nice feel good compound. Kinda reminds me of how you feel on test prop or base.
Very good for strength along with a harding effect. Kinda like epi but better.

I'm going to deload a bit whatever I do next. Deadlifts get painful because of the hip fractures that I had in the wreck. I will probably drop deads and focus on lats for my back work.

Highly recommend R-andro and be sure to use a test base or some 4-andro with it.
 
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R andro is def a feel good compound! And I agree if I had to choose between it or epiandro I would ditch epi without a second thought.

What kind of pct are you doing? Not sure if you mentioned already..
 
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R andro is def a feel good compound! And I agree if I had to choose between it or epiandro I would ditch epi without a second thought.

What kind of pct are you doing? Not sure if you mentioned already..
Doing a serm and a mild anti aromatase. Probably 7 8 benzoflavone and/or fenugreek.
 

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