IML 4-andro cream, XPG epiandro gel and CEL Stano-plex log.

SBH

SBH

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IML 4Andro cream, XPG epiandro gel and CEL Stano-plex log:

I started this cycle yesterday when I did the last 2 pumps of the suppress c in my other log.

10 days of Recomp20 on the front of this seemed like a good idea. This gives the prohormones time to kick in.

I will be doing 2 pumps 4-andro and 2 pumps epiandro gel ed. Along with that will be 1 Stano-plex cap pre-workout on lifting days andin the evenings on other days. My 150 mgs trt test will also be part of my base.

My workouts will be:
Leg day
Chest, bis and tris
Delts and back

I will have to figure out the exact days as I go. Getting ready for a different work schedule. I did my first leg day yesterday.

Snap fitness leg day:
Matrix leg press: depth set at 3
Regular:
230 X10
335*X5
335 X5
335 X5
Feet at the top:
335 X5
335 X5
Leg ext seat on 3:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Prone leg curls:
87.5*X10
87.5 X10
87.5 X10
Hip abduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Hip adduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Seated calf raises:
In 125 X 25 25G
Out 125 X25
Mid 125 X25
Supersets with
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
1 hour 1 minute
 
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Subscribing to follow along. I hope you enjoy your stack.
 
Will follow along on this one for sure!
 
SBH said:
IML 4Andro cream, XPG epiandro gel and CEL Stano-plex log:

I started this cycle yesterday when I did the last 2 pumps of the suppress c in my other log.

10 days of Recomp20 on the front of this seemed like a good idea. This gives the prohormones time to kick in.

I will be doing 2 pumps 4-andro and 2 pumps epiandro gel ed. Along with that will be 1 Stano-plex cap pre-workout on lifting days andin the evenings on other days. My 150 mgs trt test will also be part of my base.

My workouts will be:
Leg day
Chest, bis and tris
Delts and back

I will have to figure out the exact days as I go. Getting ready for a different work schedule. I did my first leg day yesterday.

Snap fitness leg day:
Matrix leg press: depth set at 3
Regular:
230 X10
335*X5
335 X5
335 X5
Feet at the top:
335 X5
335 X5
Leg ext seat on 3:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Prone leg curls:
87.5*X10
87.5 X10
87.5 X10
Hip abduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Hip adduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Seated calf raises:
In 125 X 25 25G
Out 125 X25
Mid 125 X25
Supersets with
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
1 hour 1 minute
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Have you been on the three day split for a while? Or just for this log?
 
What's the rationale behind the 4 andro while on TRT? Will be following along as I'm on 160mg test per week and will also be adding xpg epiandro gel along with stanoplex in a few months
 
Brianmc83 said:
What's the rationale behind the 4 andro while on TRT? Will be following along as I'm on 160mg test per week and will also be adding xpg epiandro gel along with stanoplex in a few months
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Well, it's a cycle and I prefer the test base a bit higher than the trt. The cycle is a lean gainer so I do want my weight go up. Lean gains and strength increases are the goals.
 
SSJ4GOD said:
Have you been on the three day split for a while? Or just for this log?
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Well, I have been on a two day split but the one I put up is my favorite. Since I'm an older guy and I'm working a bit now, I may have to do the two day split we'll see.
 
Subbed to follow. Seems like a good set up. Not sure you really need the extra stanoplex caps if also doing TD, but as you're adding pre-WO that might give a boost.
 
Segansational said:
Subbed to follow. Seems like a good set up. Not sure you really need the extra stanoplex caps if also doing TD, but as you're adding pre-WO that might give a boost.
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Yeah. I put it in for the pre-workout effect. Oral epi pre-workout gives me a nice locked in feel. Since it's 60 caps I figured using it thru out the cycle should bump it up a bit and give me a nice taper. With the taper it will be 8 weeks.
 
I went to my favorite gym for chest, bis and tris yesterday. Since I've kinda written off doing a USPA bench record, I will just do my heavies on my favorite chest press machine. When I get to 225 for 5 X 5 I can usually get a 3 plate for 1 on the chest press. If you don't think that's all that great just remember I hit 66 this month. Us old timers can't bench quite as much.

When I did the hammer curls it messed with my right shoulder a bit so I went down to 35s. I will do 40s next week(hopefully).

Nautilus chest, tris and biceps:
Flat bench pause reps:
135 X5
135 X5
135 X5
supersets with bench and chest press
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Cybex plate loaded chest press:
185*X5
185 X5
185 X5
195 X5
205 X5
Cybex flies:
85 X 10
85 X10
Tricep press:
90 X10
100 X8
110 X6
Cybex tricep extensions
62.5 X10
Rope pushdowns:
60 X10
60 X10
60 X10
Alternating dumbbell curls;
30s X10 Per arm
30s X10
Alternating dumbbell hammer curls:
35s X10
35s X10
Cybex concentration curls:
62.5 X10
62.5 X10
62.5 X10
Idk time over 1 hr
 
SBH said:
When I did the hammer curls it messed with my right shoulder a bit so I went down to 35s. I will do 40s next week(hopefully).
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It's done that to me before to. I typically go lighter with higher volume and more controlled with no swing on hammer curls.
 
LeanEngineer said:
It's done that to me before to. I typically go lighter with higher volume and more controlled with no swing on hammer curls.
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I thought about that but will probably just do the Rope hammer curls. They're not as good but don't bother my shoulder.
 
SBH said:
Rope hammer curls
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Yep those are good to. They allow the flexibility and range of motion during the movement.
 
The issue with my right shoulder made me have to pushback weight on the delt movements. Hopefully I can push them up slowly and carefully as I go.

It's kinda messed up to have to do this on a lean gainer but I don't want to make it worse. It doesn't even bother me on the bench movements so that's good.

Snap fitness delts and back
Shoulder press neutral grip: seat at 3
70 X10
80 X8
90 X6
Leaning lat raises L&R:
20 X 10,10
20 X10,10
Matrix lat raises: seat at 5
50*X 10
50 X10
50 X10
Facepulls: 12 level
70 X10
70 X10
70 X10
Matrix cable rows:
125 X10
135 X8
140 X6
Wide grip pulldowns:
105 X10
105 X10
Underhand grip rows;
120 X10
125 X8
100 X6
1 hr 5 minutes Going to eat tacos & fried chicken. :p
 
I did a pure leg day today so I hit everything this week.
My workout schedule will be 2 days now. Just getting ready for the more shifts that are going to start soon.

Was kinda goofy not getting everything figured out before I started but but here is how my lifting is going to go.

Monday will be chest, back, tris & bis.
Thursday will be delts and legs.

Those are my two days off when the schedule gets filled in. I'm too old to lift and then work shifts. Used to do that all the time when I was younger and hadn't been all busted up.

Here's today's leg day:
Snap fitness leg day:
Matrix leg press: depth set at 3
Regular:
230 X10
340*X5
340 X5
340 X5
Feet at the top:
340 X5
340 X5
Leg ext seat on 3:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Prone leg curls:
90 X10
90 X10
90 X10
Hip abduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Hip adduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Seated calf raises:
In 125 X 25 25G
Out 125 X25
Mid 125 X25
Supersets with
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
1 hour exactly
 
Had a good workout yesterday. My goals for this cycle are really more strength goal than flat out gains. I'll eventually do a pyramid of sets on the chest press for a nice max(hopefully).

For my leg day I want to rep the whole stack for a good amount of reps. I will continue to take the shoulder press up at Snap but with my bad shoulder, carefully.

Nautilus chest, tris, biceps & back:
Flat bench pause reps:
95 X10
115 X8
135 X6
supersets with bench and chest press
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Cybex plate loaded chest press:
205*X5
205 X5
215 X3
220 X3
225 X3
Cybex flies:
85 X 10
85 X10
Tricep press:
90 X10
100 X8
110 X6
Cybex tricep extensions
75*X10 oops I thought that felt heavy
62.5 X10
Rope pushdowns:
60 X10
60 X10
Ezbar cable curls:
80 X 10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
90 X10
90 X10
Cybex concentration curls:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Cybex cable rows:
125 X10
135 X8
140 X6
Nautilus Pullovers:
80 X10
80 X10
Underhand mag cable rows: (found my old mag attachment)
120 X10
125 X8
135 X6
1 hour 43 minutes. 32 sets and I did a lot of stretching besides the hanging stretches tho.
 
I think this two day split is gonna to work. Added in some td pregnenolone(Iconicformulations np5) to help with the joints. Just taking the leg press and lat raises up slowly but it's still a challenge.

Snap delts & legs
Matrix shoulde press:
90 X10
100 X8
110 X6
Matrix lat raises: slowly and carefully
30*X10
40 X10
50 X10
Facepulls:
75 X10
75 X10
75 X10
Matrix leg press: depth set at 3
Regular:
230 X10
345 X5
345 X5
345 X5
Feet at the top:
345 X5
345 X5
Leg ext seat on 3:
130 X10
130 X10
Seated leg curls:
65* X10
67.5 X10
Hip abduction:
80 X10 G10
80 X10
Hip adduction:
80 X10
80 X10
Seated calf raises:
In 125 X25 G25
Out 125 X25
Mid 125 X25
Supersets with:
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
1 hour 23 minutes
 
So now that you're a good bit into this, what is your take so far? Had you used TD 4/epi previously? I pulled the trigger on some IML.
 
Segansational said:
So now that you're a good bit into this, what is your take so far? Had you used TD 4/epi previously? I pulled the trigger on some IML.
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I did the XPG epiandro gel with just my trt the last time. It went pretty good but I knew adding the 4-andro would make it better. Epi can work on the joints a bit and taking the test up definitely helps. Just recently added in the td pregnenolone which has to be better than the oral pregnenolone I've been taking.

Lifts are creeping up a little already and this next week should be good. I've got a feeling I'm going to hit the three plate goal on the chest press pretty fast on this one.

I use the IML 4-andro for a base a lot. I just try to snag it when they run a sale. You'll probably like it.
 
It's looking like the 3 plate thing on the chest press is going to happen before I get to the end of this. I will probably do the 5 X 5 with 225 on my next chest workout.

I dropped the back training out of this one. One of my other favorite workouts is delts & back. This might mess with me getting every body part weekly but that's still what I want to do. Gotta do this the best that I can. Good workout today!

Nautilus chest, tris, biceps:
Flat bench pause reps:
115 X5
125 X5
135 X5
supersets with bench and chest press
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Cybex plate loaded chest press:
215 X5
215 X5
220 X5
225 X5
225 X5
Cybex flies:
85*X 10
85 X10
Tricep press:
90 X10
100 X8
110 X6
Cybex tricep extensions
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope pushdowns:
60 X10
60 X10
Ezbar cable curls:
80 X 10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
90 X10
90 X10
Cybex concentration curls:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
1 hour 20 minutes but did a lot of stretching. Got to be careful with that right shoulder.
 
SBH said:
1 hour 20 minutes but did a lot of stretching. Got to be careful with that right shoulder.
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Stretching always helps my aches and pains. Can't wait til it's warmer outside. I feel like the cold weather always makes things worse for injuries.
 
I might be changing things a lot but doing all body parts in 2 workouts wasn't working. I'm back to original plan.
Had a good delts & back workout at Snap today so I guess taking 10-11 days to hit everything will be the plan.

I changed the shoulder press to incline bench since getting a big lift on the chest press has become my goal. This seems like a good way to work on that pec tear also.

The shoulder hangs aren't on here but I did do them. I did quite a bit of other stretching also. I have to inch the incline up slowly since I haven't been doing them.

Snap fitness delts and back:
Incline bench:
95*X10
115 X8
145 X6
Bent over rear delt rows:
25s*X10
25s X10
25s X10
Matrix lat raises: seat at 5
60*X 10
60 X10
60 X10
Matrix cable rows:
125*X10
135 X8
140 X6
Wide grip pulldowns:
120 X10
120 X10
Underhand grip rows;
120 X10
125 X8
130 X6
Matrix crunch: really hits upper abs good
90 X20 G20*
90 X20
90 X20
1 hr 15 minutes but again with lots of stretching.
 
I was on 2 day split this year too & had to change it, my shoulders got absolutely cooked, from either doing chest or shoulders everyday I went to the gym. Do not recommend.
 
SBH said:
The shoulder hangs aren't on here but I did do them. I did quite a bit of other stretching also. I have to inch the incline up slowly since I haven't been doing them.
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I need to start stretching more. Today is my rest day so I think I'm going to do half hour of stretching.
 
Joshlm69 said:
I was on 2 day split this year too & had to change it, my shoulders got absolutely cooked, from either doing chest or shoulders everyday I went to the gym. Do not recommend.
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Yeah, it's especially rough when you have a Shoulder issue. I'm happy that I can bench ok so it's not a rotator cuff. I do have some kinda tendon issue going on tho. Chest day definitely hits shoulders especially front delt.
 
It was kinda nice just doing a regular leg day. Spreading the workouts over a longer period is definitely a better idea.

I'll eventually get to the Sports clinic and let an Ortho doc look at my shoulder. My PCP said that was a good idea.

I like this workout and it went well. The Matrix leg press mimics squats quite a bit and the full stack is 400 lbs so this is a heavy lifts thing even on the leg press.

Snap fitness leg day:
Matrix leg press: depth set at 3
Regular:
230 X10
350*X5
350 X5
350 X5
Feet at the top:
350 X5
350 X5 glad that was last set!
Leg ext seat on 3:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Seated leg curls:
70 X10
70 X10
70 X10
Hip abduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Hip adduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Seated calf raises:
In 125 X25 25G
Out 125 X25
Mid 125 X25
Supersets with
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
1 hour 5 minutes
 
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I forgot to take the 300 mgs of epi with my pre-workout and didn't take it till I was halfway to the gym. That and forgetting to put the creatine in my pre-workout probably didn't help.

It didn't feel like I was going to get the 225 for 5X5 so I did a pyramid instead. Not getting the 300 kinda sucked. I probably should have just done 215 for 5X5 but we'll see the next time.

Nautilus chest, tris, biceps:
Flat bench pause reps:
115 X5
125 X5
135 X5
supersets with bench and chest press
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Cybex plate loaded chest press:
225 X5
215 X5
265 X3
275 X1 **** wanted 2 at least
300 X .5 didn't lock out
245 X4 make up reps 😂
Cybex flies:
90 X 10
90 X10
Tricep press:
100 X10
110 X8
120 X6
Cybex tricep extensions
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope pushdowns:
60 X10
60 X10
Ezbar cable curls:
80 X 10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
80 X10
90 X8
100 X6
Cybex concentration curls:
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
I weighed 180 before the workout. Thats better than the 173 I weighed right before starting this. Didn't time it but it was over an hour.
 
I'm putting together this cutter using dermacrine, Ursa-Gel, my TRT and some cjc with dac so I put the Nautilus workout using the Hoist crunch machine back in.

I got everything right this time and had a pretty good workout. I'm not going to gain as much weight as I wanted on this one but will still get shredded on the next.

Nautilus delts and back
Nautilus incline bench:
90 X10
100 X8
110 X6
Leaning lat raises L&R:
25 X10,10
25 X 10,10
Cybex lat raises L&R:
70 X 10,10
70 X10,10
Cybex rear delt flies
60 X 10
60 X 10
60 X10
Cybex cable rows:
120 X10
125 X8
135 X6
Cybex Pullovers:
80 X10
80 X10
Underhand cable rows:
110 X10
120 X8
125 X6
Straight arm pushdowns;
25*X10
32.5 X10
Hoist Crunches:
R165 X25 G25*
L165 X25
M165X25
1 hour 2 minutes
 
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I went light on leg day yesterday. It's hard not to think of the upcoming cutter. I ate a heavy carb meal (New York strip, baked potato and apple pie with ice cream) for my recovery meal but did it later than usual. My reason for doing it later was that I took a a Gluco-vantage XT cap before it.

I will keep the Gluco-vantage XT in during my cutter but will do mini carb cycles each day with nightly carb ups.

Snap fitness 5 X10 leg day:
Matrix leg press;
225 X 10
225 X 10
225 X 10
225 X 10
225 X 10
Leg extension:
130 X10
130 X10
130 X10
Seated leg curls:
70 X10
70 X10
70 X10
Hip abduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Hip adduction:
80 X10
80 X10
80 X10
Seated calf raises:
125 X25 Toes in
125 X25 Out
125 X 25 Mid
Supersets with:
Shoulder hangs:
60 seconds
60 seconds
60 seconds
60 seconds
57 minutes
 
SBH said:
I ate a heavy carb meal (New York strip, baked potato and apple pie with ice cream)
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Now we're talking! I'm about to go on vacation and I foresee a lot of heavy carb meals in my near future! :)
 
LeanEngineer said:
Now we're talking! I'm about to go on vacation and I foresee a lot of heavy carb meals in my near future! :)
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Those steak & potatoes with a good dessert are my favorites. Still a bunch of the old bodybuilder carb ups with chicken and rice too.
 
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SBH said:
Those steak & potatoes with a good dessert are my favorites. Still a bunch of the old bodybuilder carb ups with chicken and rice too.
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Red meat and a savory carb is the way to go! :)
 
My wife made keto biscuits yesterday and I had a couple with 2 eggs and sausage patties. Protein was about 30 grams. It's half eaten in the pic lol.
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Before my workout I have a pre-workout with 30 grams of whey, 5 grams creatine, tbsp of dextrose and a scoop of the 6 star pre with 1100 mgs of AAKG.

I got the 5 X 5 for 225 on the chest press but my next chest day will be during the cycle taper so we'll see.
The thing I forgot to do last session was take the flat bench pause reps out and just warm up on the chest press. I'll take a shot next chest day anyway.

Nautilus chest, tris, biceps:
Flat bench pause reps:
115 X5
125 X5
135 X5
supersets with bench and chest press
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Cybex plate loaded chest press:
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5
225 X5 yeah! Goals baby!
Cybex flies:
90 X 10
90 X 10
Tricep press:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X5 close
Cybex tricep extensions
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope pushdowns:
60 X10
60 X10
Ezbar cable curls:
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
80 X10
90 X8
100 X6
Cybex concentration curls:
75 X10
75 X10
75 X10
1 hour 24 minutes had to wait on equipment here and there.
 
I started the taper today so I had to take a shot at the 300 lbs on the chest press. Instead of doing the flat bench pause reps first I did a warm up on the chest press and then tried. It was still a fail :p It's really not that big of a surprise. Working all these aerobic hours aren't helping anything. I only weight 181.

The upcoming cutter is going to be cool tho. Should get pretty lean. I refrain from talking about the cut for now except to say I've done something like it before.

Here's my workout from today. Other than the fail it was great. I got to do international chest day :D

Nautilus chest, tris, biceps:
Flat bench pause reps:
115 X5
125 X5
135 X5
supersets with bench and chest press
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Shoulder hang 60 seconds
Cybex plate loaded chest press:
135 X10
205 X6
255 X2
275 X1
300 X.5 Shoot! still didn't lock out. I didn't say shoot when I was training.
Cybex flies:
90 X 10
90 X 10
Tricep press:
110 X10
120 X8
130 X6 well got it this time
Cybex tricep extensions
67.5 X10
67.5 X10
Rope pushdowns:
60 X10
60 X10
Ezbar cable curls:
80 X10
80 X10
Rope hammer curls:
80 X10
90 X8
100 X6
Cybex concentration curls:
75 X10
Dropset
75 X8
62.5 X6
50 X5
37.5 X6
25 X11
12.5. X 20 I stopped because of the burn but could have done a few more.
1 Hour 25 minutes
 
Oh yeah. I missed a workout because of working so much and kinda skipped leg day but will stay on course thru the rest.
 
SBH said:
kinda skipped leg day
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If there's a day I'm skipping it's going to be leg day :ROFLMAO: I usually try and run 2-3 times per week and don't feel bad if I skip legs here and then to let them rest in terms of lifting.
 
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