IML 4-andro cream log

[Eric42952]

I just ordered 2 bottles of 4-andro cream from IML. I’m 32 y/o 210lbs pretty athletic build. I’ve been lifting for 15 years. Never used gear before. I’ve done my research and will be running cycle support and pct. Also taking M-test by competitive edge labs. I’m mainly looking for the enhanced mood/libido. My natural test is 336 bloodwork done a month ago. Low but normal. Will get bloodwork done again after this cycle. I’ll be doing 3 pumps per day for 9 weeks. Will post before and during pictures once arrives. Give this a follow if you’d like. I’ll be posting everyday once it arrives.

 

[KvanH]

What does your PCT look like? It would be interesting to see horome levels during the run as well.

I understand your approach on 4-Andro only, when mainly looking for mood and libido boost, but man would I be tempted to throw in something else with it, since you're already going to induce suppression and the 4-Andro has you covered for basic hormone levels. Addition of Epiandro would actually fit very well for your goals and it would add more to gym performace, than 4-Andro and it's another generally well tolerated compound. Mood, energy, libido, strenght, hardness (if lean enough). Just saying.

 

[Smont]

I just ordered 2 bottles of 4-andro cream from IML. I’m 32 y/o 210lbs pretty athletic build. I’ve been lifting for 15 years. Never used gear before. I’ve done my research and will be running cycle support and pct. Also taking M-test by competitive edge labs. I’m mainly looking for the enhanced mood/libido. My natural test is 336 bloodwork done a month ago. Low but normal. Will get bloodwork done again after this cycle. I’ll be doing 3 pumps per day for 9 weeks. Will post before and during pictures once arrives. Give this a follow if you’d like. I’ll be posting everyday once it arrives.

Time out bud, this is probably not the route your trying to go.

4 Andro is supressive, while your taking it, it will render your testosterone booster useless and after you finish the 4 Andro, even with a proper pct your testosterone levels will probably come back lower and have more issues.

What you should do is try to run a little pct now, get some clomid or nolva (hcg would be very beneficial) and see if you can recover testosterone now.

 

[Smont]

Also, there is no necessary cycle support for 4 Andro. Maybe take something for blood pressure but that's about it.

What did you plan for pct?

 

[Eric42952]

Also, there is no necessary cycle support for 4 Andro. Maybe take something for blood pressure but that's about it.

What did you plan for pct?

I have IML cycle support I was gunna run during. And hi tech armiplex with mtest for afterwards.

 

[Smont]

I have IML cycle support I was gunna run during. And hi tech armiplex with mtest for afterwards.

Arimiplex and mtest are natty test boosters, they will not recover your testosterone levels from 4 Andro, your going to crash your testosterone.

When you use something hormonal (4andro) you turn off your testosterone production and you want a serm like clomid or nolva at bare minimum to get your testicles working again, hcg would come in handy too

 

[Smont]

On the other side of the fence, if you run 4 Andro and wait about 2-3 weeks after when your testosterone levels are crashed you could probably get a script for trt....

 

[KvanH]

Yeah, when people say they "will be running a PCT", that usually means - and should mean - a SERM.

 

[Eric42952]

Arimiplex and mtest are natty test boosters, they will not recover your testosterone levels from 4 Andro, your going to crash your testosterone.

When you use something hormonal (4andro) you turn off your testosterone production and you want a serm like clomid or nolva at bare minimum to get your testicles working again, hcg would come in handy too

Would 1 andro be more fitting than?

 

[KvanH]

Would 1 andro be more fitting than?

No, completely the opposite. 1-Andro is more suppressive, more anabolic and doesn't bring any of the effects you seek.

 

[Smont]

Would 1 andro be more fitting than?

1 Andro is even more supressive and a common side effect is lower energy and sex drive.

Andros are prohormones, they convert to active hormones and shutdown/inhibit your natural testosterone production.

 

[Eric42952]

1 Andro is even more supressive and a common side effect is lower energy and sex drive.

Andros are prohormones, they convert to active hormones and shutdown/inhibit your natural testosterone production.

okay maybe these bottles will sit than lol. I’m happy with my look and performance. But looking for more test. I’m tired and low libido at times. Was thinking this would help if I came off of it right. But sounds like might as well just get on trt doses of test. Any pointers for some supps that will boost mood and libido? I’m loving the m test but looking for a little more. I can take armiplex with the mtest?

 

[Smont]

If your goal is to improve your mood and libido then you don't want anything hormonal because it may temporarily fix the issue and when you come off it will get worse.

Avoid steroids, sarms and Andros. They all are going to cause you more long term problems.

M test stacked with something for mood, or maybe a stress/anxiety type supplement may help.

You mentioned libido, libido is the urge to have sex, improving libido has no effect on erectile function if your having issues there so those are 2 separate problems that might need to be addressed.

Testosterone boosters and lowering stress may improve libido and increase energy, if sexual function is of importance you wand cailis or Viagra.

Low dose daily cailis actually has a ton of overall health benefits. Honestly, every man should take it weather or not you have performance issues.

 

[Smont]

okay maybe these bottles will sit than lol. I’m happy with my look and performance. But looking for more test. I’m tired and low libido at times. Was thinking this would help if I came off of it right. But sounds like might as well just get on trt doses of test. Any pointers for some supps that will boost mood and libido? I’m loving the m test but looking for a little more. I can take armiplex with the mtest?

You can try the arimiplex, it lowers cortisol a little and that may help

 

[Smont]

And then there's always trt.

 

[Smont]

Have you considered using clomid to raise testosterone levels up?

 

[Smont]

Low dose, 12.5-25mg a day shouldn't have too many negative effects if any at all and it should dramatically increase your testosterone.

 

[Eric42952]

Low dose, 12.5-25mg a day shouldn't have too many negative effects if any at all and it should dramatically increase your testosterone.

Clomid is prescription from doctor?

 

[Eric42952]

If your goal is to improve your mood and libido then you don't want anything hormonal because it may temporarily fix the issue and when you come off it will get worse.

Avoid steroids, sarms and Andros. They all are going to cause you more long term problems.

M test stacked with something for mood, or maybe a stress/anxiety type supplement may help.

You mentioned libido, libido is the urge to have sex, improving libido has no effect on erectile function if your having issues there so those are 2 separate problems that might need to be addressed.

Testosterone boosters and lowering stress may improve libido and increase energy, if sexual function is of importance you wand cailis or Viagra.

Low dose daily cailis actually has a ton of overall health benefits. Honestly, every man should take it weather or not you have performance issues.

I have no ED problems. just low mood/energy/drive. I also take an SSRI for anxiety. Seems to help with racing thoughts. But numbs everything else. I ran one cycle of sarms a year ago. Rad,mk-677,and Lgd-4033. Got huge but BP went through the roof. Will never do that again. It’s probably what started the low T. that’s the only enhancer I’ve ever done in all my years.

 

[Eric42952]

I have no ED problems. just low mood/energy/drive. I also take an SSRI for anxiety. Seems to help with racing thoughts. But numbs everything else. I ran one cycle of sarms a year ago. Rad,mk-677,and Lgd-4033. Got huge but BP went through the roof. Will never do that again. It’s probably what started the low T. that’s the only enhancer I’ve ever done in all my years.

Thank you for the time and talk.

 

[KvanH]

In addition to M-Test, some growd favorites include:

SNS Optimize-T
Iconic Formulations Sustain Alpha
Apex Alchemy Arimahex (also a decent AI, worth to bare in mind)


Just released, so no reviews yet, but promising:

Competitive Edge Labs Cloma-Plex


Includes DHEA, so hormonal by definition, but generally suppression is not an issue with moderate dose (and lenght of use) of DHEA:

Apex Hyperion
Iconic's Dermacrine


Individual ingredients with the most data on improving hormone levels (to my knowledge):

Boron
Fadogia Agrestis
Tongat Ali


You could use a SERM to increase your endogenous test production. Smont will have you covered in that area.


Cortisol control:

Iron Legion Invictus
Apex AET-50
SNS Reduce XT


General:

SNS Stress & Anxiety
L-Dopa
Many more..

 

[Eric42952]

In addition to M-Test, some growd favorites include:

SNS Optimize-T
Iconic Formulations Sustain Alpha
Apex Alchemy Arimahex (also a decent AI, worth to bare in mind)


Just released, so no reviews yet, but promising:

Competitive Edge Labs Cloma-Plex


Includes DHEA, so hormonal by definition, but generally suppression is not an issue with moderate dose (and lenght of use) of DHEA:

Apex Hyperion
Iconic's Dermacrine


Individual ingredients with the most data on improving hormonal levels (to my knowledge):

Boron
Fadogia Agrestis
Tongat Ali


You could use a SERM to increase your endogenous test production. Smont will have you covered in that area.


Cortisol control:

Iron Legion Invictus
Apex AET-50
SNS Reduce XT


General:

SNS Stress & Anxiety
L-Dopa
Many more..

I take animal pak powder, ashwaganda, maca, l arginine, DHEA, mtest, right now. I’ve tried opti T. Wasn’t impressed. And I use no stim pre workout due to high BP.

 

[KvanH]

I take animal pak powder, ashwaganda, maca, l arginine, DHEA, mtest, right now. I’ve tried opti T. Wasn’t impressed. And I use no stim pre workout due to high BP.

What DHEA product are you using and what dose? Transdermal products tend to be better for DHEA. But in any case, I would advice regular breaks from DHEA, IF you've been using it for some time.

Honestly, you're taking some decent stuff already. You could keep trying different popular products one at a time, since you have the interest, and see what you like the best. Then you can make the best stack for you.

Hawthorn berry and Celery seed might help with BP a little. Carditone has a lot of praise for BP control. Regular cardio WO's most definitely good for BP, if not doing already. If it's really high, then should talk to a Dr. of course, if not done already.

 

[Eric42952]

What DHEA product are you using and what dose? Transdermal products tend to be better for DHEA. But in any case, I would advice regular breaks from DHEA, IF you've been using it for some time.

Honestly, you're taking some decent stuff already. You could keep trying different popular products one at a time, since you have the interest, and see what you like the best. Then you can make the best stack for you.

Hawthorn berry and Celery seed might help with BP a little. Carditone has a lot of praise for BP control. Regular cardio WO's most definitely good for BP, if not doing already. If it's really high, then should talk to a Dr. of course, if not done already.

yes I’ve talked with doctor. I’ve gotten a pretty good handle on my BP since then. Just have to be careful. I just take spring valley DHEA from Walmart 50mg in morning 50mg before workout. I’ve been taking that for a few months now.

 

[KvanH]

yes I’ve talked with doctor. I’ve gotten a pretty good handle on my BP since then. Just have to be careful. I just take spring valley DHEA from Walmart 50mg in morning 50mg before workout. I’ve been taking that for a few months now.

Ok. You may want to try a TD DHEA product at some point. I think oral DHEA has a short half life and not a very good oral bioavailability. Oral DHEA tends to raise more Estrogen, than TD as well, to my knowledge (which can be a positive or a negative thing, depending on the situation). TD products will have a slow release in to your system in course of several hours.

You may want to think about taking a break from the DHEA, since you've been using it for a few months, just in case. It's a hormone, that your body produces, after all. So DHEA production is susceptible to be effected by the negative feedback loop, like other hormones. I would take a break - is all I can say.

 

[Eric42952]

Ok. You may want to try a TD DHEA product at some point. I think oral DHEA has a short half life and not a very good oral bioavailability. Oral DHEA tends to raise more Estrogen, than TD as well, to my knowledge (which can be a positive or a negative thing, depending on the situation). TD products will have a slow release in to your system in course of several hours.

You may want to think about taking a break from the DHEA, since you've been using it for a few months, just in case. It's a hormone, that your body produces, after all. So DHEA production is susceptible to be effected by the negative feedback loop, like other hormones. I would take a break - is all I can say.

Right on. Thank you all for the feedback.

 

[Eric42952]

Ok. You may want to try a TD DHEA product at some point. I think oral DHEA has a short half life and not a very good oral bioavailability. Oral DHEA tends to raise more Estrogen, than TD as well, to my knowledge (which can be a positive or a negative thing, depending on the situation). TD products will have a slow release in to your system in course of several hours.

You may want to think about taking a break from the DHEA, since you've been using it for a few months, just in case. It's a hormone, that your body produces, after all. So DHEA production is susceptible to be effected by the negative feedback loop, like other hormones. I would take a break - is all I can say.

Ive also read that it can take up to 3 months for the DHEA to work in your system?

 

[KvanH]

Ive also read that it can take up to 3 months for the DHEA to work in your system?

I have not heard about that Maybe it was referring to some body's reaction to exogenous DHEA and balancing of hormones? I don't know, just spitt balling first thoughts regards to that claim. In my experience, I can feel it pretty much immediately or in days. And it is in your system, as soon as you dose/apply it. Maybe that's someone's anecdotal experience on when they really started to see the effects? Kind of like how usually people start to really notice the effects of injected test after a few weeks, although the test is in one's circulation in minutes from the first injection and doing what it does.

 

[Eric42952]

Also have either of you had experience with 4 andro?

 

[KvanH]

Also have either of you had experience with 4 andro?

Sure, plenty

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Andro in general should not be used when your sole goal is to "raise test"

it might work .. but if it doesnt would put you in a bigger hole to dig out of

renew1 & kvanh made some great points/suggestions ..yeah let the 4andro sit or trade them away on the supplement auction forum.

 

[Eric42952]

Andro in general should not be used when your sole goal is to "raise test"

it might work .. but if it doesnt would put you in a bigger hole to dig out of

renew1 & kvanh made some great points/suggestions ..yeah let the 4andro sit or trade them away on the supplement auction forum.

Where can I find this auction forum

 

[SSJ4GOD]

Where can I find this auction forum

It’s under the “companies promotions” forum.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Where can I find this auction forum

Here's a direct link to the Supplement Auction section

Supplement Auction

Browse through the auction to find out what members are selling. Make sure you read the rules!!

anabolicminds.com

 

[DinnerTable]

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[LeanEngineer]

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[Eric42952]

Well I have to say I’m running the 4 andro alone with armistane. 1 pump am 1 pump pm. This is day 5. Haven’t noticed much yet. Maybe a little mood lift and recovery time. Nothing worth the money yet. On day 7 I will turn to 2 pumps am 1 pump pm. As I have 2 bottles to run.

 

[DinnerTable]

Well I have to say I’m running the 4 andro alone with armistane. 1 pump am 1 pump pm. This is day 5. Haven’t noticed much yet. Maybe a little mood lift and recovery time. Nothing worth the money yet. On day 7 I will turn to 2 pumps am 1 pump pm. As I have 2 bottles to run.

Probably will take a couple more weeks to kick, and at 2 pumps a day I wouldnt expect too much.

 

[Eric42952]

Day 11. 2 pumps AM 1 pump PM. I’ve noticed hardness in muscle. May be the armistane. my energy and mood in the mornings is starting to be very exceptional. Very slight alpha feeling. Libido up a little bit. I log my lifts. And have added a small 2.5-5lb increase on my lifts. Been successful so far. Not going to say it’s the andro yet though. No negative side effects noticed.

 

[Eric42952]

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Day 11. 2 pumps AM 1 pump PM. I’ve noticed hardness in muscle. May be the armistane. my energy and mood in the mornings is starting to be very exceptional. Very slight alpha feeling. Libido up a little bit. I log my lifts. And have added a small 2.5-5lb increase on my lifts. Been successful so far. Not going to say it’s the andro yet though. No negative side effects noticed.

also received a free bottle of IML stimulate. It gives you great mood and energy but makes my heart race. So I have shelved that product.

 

[Eric42952]

starting week 6 of 4 pumps a day. I felt the alpha for maybe a week. Honestly not noticing anything anymore. Maybe a gain of 4lbs. Nothing crazy. Just get you some real gear. This stuff is a waste of money.

 

[Rad83]

This product is meant to be used in conjunction with a more suppressive anabolic…It suffices quite well in that regard, providing test and estrogen!

On its own your just suppressing your natural test level, with something probably lower/or equivalent…

 

[bigthug]

This product is meant to be used in conjunction with a more suppressive anabolic…It suffices quite well in that regard, providing test and estrogen!

On its own your just suppressing your natural test level, with something probably lower/or equivalent…

4-andro did work for Mass gains for me but the problem Was That i had to use Really high doses of andro the giant like 8 tablets a day so way too expensive

 

[Eric42952]

Right I’ve realized I’m only starting week 5. I’m through one bottle of IML 4andro cream. Gunna run one more at 4 pumps a day. I’ve gained about 5 lbs so far. My test was 356 before I started. Bloodwork came back today at 465. So will run for another 4 weeks. Then doing a 8 week 100mg/wk cypionate cycle before starting my pct work.

 

[KvanH]

Right I’ve realized I’m only starting week 5. I’m through one bottle of IML 4andro cream. Gunna run one more at 4 pumps a day. I’ve gained about 5 lbs so far. My test was 356 before I started. Bloodwork came back today at 465. So will run for another 4 weeks. Then doing a 8 week 100mg/wk cypionate cycle before starting my pct work.

Why are you replacing your endogenous test production with normal/low normal levels of exogenous test or TRT regimen? First with the 4-Andro solo and then with 100 mg test Cyp?

There are a lot of ways to cycle and sh1t, but in this case I'll say, that you're doing it all wrong..

 

[Eric42952]

Why are you replacing your endogenous test production with normal/low normal levels of exogenous test or TRT regimen? First with the 4-Andro solo and then with 100 mg test Cyp?

There are a lot of ways to cycle and sh1t, but in this case I'll say, that you're doing it all wrong..

I’m not trying to be a bodybuilder or build size and strength. I’m looking for enhanced mood and libido. So far the 4 andro has been decent in those areas. I may do 150mg per week. But my test was low to begin with at only 356. So it’s actually went up just over 100 pts with the 4 andro. Guess It all depends on your goals. I’m already happy with my physiqe not looking to roid rage.

 

[KvanH]

I’m not trying to be a bodybuilder or build size and strength. I’m looking for enhanced mood and libido. So far the 4 andro has been decent in those areas. I may do 150mg per week. But my test was low to begin with at only 356. So it’s actually went up just over 100 pts with the 4 andro. Guess It all depends on your goals. I’m already happy with my physiqe not looking to roid rage.

"Roid rage", lol. You do understand, that by suppressing your test production, you'll risk having even lower test production after the cycle, right? Even with a proper PCT. And you'll most likely feel worse, than before this cycle at least for a short period of time, when you start your PCT.

If you're trying to see how you'd feel on TRT, but still keeping the option of coming off, then I guess this could be something like that. But TRT takes several months to dial in and to see how it really works for you, so on that regard, that wouldn't probably work too well either. And also 4-Andro isn't test obviously.

I'm not being a dick btw, I'm trying to be helpful.

To me it seems like running some test boosters would be a more reasonable approach for what you're looking to achieve.

But you of course do what you like and I hope you enjoy your run and don't make things worse after the run. You could also just try to use a SERM for a longer time and see how much that raises your test production and how you feel on that.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Eric42952]

"Roid rage", lol. You do understand, that by suppressing your test production, you'll risk having even lower test production after the cycle, right? Even with a proper PCT. And you'll most likely feel worse, than before this cycle at least for a short period of time, when you start your PCT.

If you're trying to see how you'd feel on TRT, but still keeping the option of coming off, then I guess this could be something like that. But TRT takes several months to dial in and to see how it really works for you, so on that regard, that wouldn't probably work too well either.

I'm not being a dick btw, I'm trying to be helpful.

To me it seems like running some test boosters would be a more reasonable approach for what you're looking to achieve.

But you of course do what you like and I hope you enjoy your run and don't make things worse after the run. You could also just try to use a SERM for a longer time and see how much that raises your test production and how you feel on that.

Just my 2 cents

Right. Yeah I currently take depression and anxiety meds. And I’ve read of men coming off their meds and testosterone made them much more energetic and feeling well again. Doctors always think the cure is medication when that’s not the case. They quick to give you Xanax but not testosterone so I’m just trying to dose a small amount and see how it helps

 

[Eric42952]

Tomorrow marks 6 weeks 4 pumps a day. I’ve changed no eating habits for they are clean and plentiful. Up 5lbs. All my sets consist of 12-14 reps. Exercises have gone up 5-10lbs. Two weeks left. Then start my cypionate cycle.

 

[Eric42952]

Tomorrow marks 6 weeks 4 pumps a day. I’ve changed no eating habits for they are clean and plentiful. Up 5lbs. All my sets consist of 12-14 reps. Exercises have gone up 5-10lbs. Two weeks left. Then start my cypionate cycle.

Also I haven’t noticed any negative side effects. Mood and energy most definitely increased.