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I'm in some deep, deep waters here, and I need some help. First of all, a little history about
myself, I'm old-fashioned when it comes to exercise. I hit the gym three days a week, and as far
as supplements, I only take the basics. Multivitamin, whey, and creatine all from Wal-Mart.
When I was only fifteen years old, my doctor prescribed me an antibiotic, and had me take it for
over a year and half. I had no idea at the age what antibiotic truly was, but by any estimate, that
doctor should be shot for the crime he did against me. Subsequently, I had anywhere from 4-7
bowel movements a day for almost a decade. Unbeknownst to me, I developed food allergens
against wheat and chicken. My lungs ranged from 60-80% obstruction by my overly swollen
esphagus. I also developed the most malnourishing disease you can foster if you've had it long
enough. Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth. The immune system isn't allowed that far into the
basement so I had to crack that code myself after my gastroenterologist gave up on me. I
begged for the test. This ailment literally had over 100 symptoms that matched my own.
So I went into Supplement Superstore for the first time. I don't know if its the case elsewhere,
but S2 stores are the Drug Lords of the St. Louis area. So I walk in looking in for a natural test
booster. I've used Tribulus Terrestris with positive results, but I thought I'd look for something
stronger this time. I explain to them how I often feel lethargic, and was curious if they had
anything that make me feel stronger throughout the day. They directed me to what they said to
be their strongest stuff. They claimed that it would not only make me stronger, but there's no
side effects. It's almost like a steroid but with no side effects. I was almost worried at this
prospect. Too good to be true so I asked them if I could become addicted to it. They said you'll
only miss the fact that you'll be benching 400 lbs instead of 315. So I got the stuff, and took it for
three days. I didn't really feel any strength gains whatsoever, but I didn't notice rapid weight loss
as well as kind of a lower sex drive. Felt like I was losing muscle and fat at the same time so I
went off of it after 10 days. When I went off the stuff, I even felt worse. I felt low on energy, and
a bit weaker. So after being off of it for two weeks I go back on in hopes that I'd feel a little
better. Within less than a week, the scariest side effect had happened yet. I could no longer get
an erection. It was definitely scary, but in my mind, I felt if I went clean off of it my drive would
come back soon enough. After three weeks, I was so low on testosterone, I began to develop
soft womanly breasts, and I had lost a considerable amount of strength and muscle. I knew
something had to be wrong so I researched Helladrol, and I discovered I'd been taking a
prohormone. I immediately went into Supplement Superstore again extremely stressed out.
They told me I needed to take some estrogen blockers, and natural test boosters. It cost me
over $100, but I was desparate. I took the stuff, and I felt better for one night. That's it. One
night. I took the blockers and boosters for a little over 3 weeks with no avail. I was getting
extremely afraid I'd never be able to produce testosterone like I had before. I set up an
appointment with my doctor. He had me take 6 blood test, and the results showed that my
testosterone was dramatically low. My doctor gave me nothing. He said I needed to see an
endocrinologist. Every endocrinologist and urologist in the St. Louis area is booked for the next
four months. I literally won't last that long as this condition is literally getting worse, and worse
day by day. So I set up an appointment with a urologist. He ordered another blood test, and if
the results are the same or worse, he said he'll prescribe me Androgel. But will this gel actually
restore to my former, or am I permanently damaged?

I can't even begin to tell the pain of feeling weak doing a highly physical job such as floor-laying.
Not only can I no longer get an erection, or have the extremely high sex drive I had not but 4
months ago, but I can't even remember what it's like to be attracted to a women. I can't feel any
stimulation at all anymore, If there's any chance I can save what's left of me as a man, please
help me.
 
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I'm in some deep, deep waters here, and I need some help. First of all, a little history about
myself, I'm old-fashioned when it comes to exercise. I hit the gym three days a week, and as far
as supplements, I only take the basics. Multivitamin, whey, and creatine all from Wal-Mart.
When I was only fifteen years old, my doctor prescribed me an antibiotic, and had me take it for
over a year and half. I had no idea at the age what antibiotic truly was, but by any estimate, that
doctor should be shot for the crime he did against me. Subsequently, I had anywhere from 4-7
bowel movements a day for almost a decade. Unbeknownst to me, I developed food allergens
against wheat and chicken. My lungs ranged from 60-80% obstruction by my overly swollen
esphagus. I also developed the most malnourishing disease you can foster if you've had it long
enough. Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth. The immune system isn't allowed that far into the
basement so I had to crack that code myself after my gastroenterologist gave up on me. I
begged for the test. This ailment literally had over 100 symptoms that matched my own.
So I went into Supplement Superstore for the first time. I don't know if its the case elsewhere,
but S2 stores are the Drug Lords of the St. Louis area. So I walk in looking in for a natural test
booster. I've used Tribulus Terrestris with positive results, but I thought I'd look for something
stronger this time. I explain to them how I often feel lethargic, and was curious if they had
anything that make me feel stronger throughout the day. They directed me to what they said to
be their strongest stuff. They claimed that it would not only make me stronger, but there's no
side effects. It's almost like a steroid but with no side effects. I was almost worried at this
prospect. Too good to be true so I asked them if I could become addicted to it. They said you'll
only miss the fact that you'll be benching 400 lbs instead of 315. So I got the stuff, and took it for
three days. I didn't really feel any strength gains whatsoever, but I didn't notice rapid weight loss
as well as kind of a lower sex drive. Felt like I was losing muscle and fat at the same time so I
went off of it after 10 days. When I went off the stuff, I even felt worse. I felt low on energy, and
a bit weaker. So after being off of it for two weeks I go back on in hopes that I'd feel a little
better. Within less than a week, the scariest side effect had happened yet. I could no longer get
an erection. It was definitely scary, but in my mind, I felt if I went clean off of it my drive would
come back soon enough. After three weeks, I was so low on testosterone, I began to develop
soft womanly breasts, and I had lost a considerable amount of strength and muscle. I knew
something had to be wrong so I researched Helladrol, and I discovered I'd been taking a
prohormone. I immediately went into Supplement Superstore again extremely stressed out.
They told me I needed to take some estrogen blockers, and natural test boosters. It cost me
over $100, but I was desparate. I took the stuff, and I felt better for one night. That's it. One
night. I took the blockers and boosters for a little over 3 weeks with no avail. I was getting
extremely afraid I'd never be able to produce testosterone like I had before. I set up an
appointment with my doctor. He had me take 6 blood test, and the results showed that my
testosterone was dramatically low. My doctor gave me nothing. He said I needed to see an
endocrinologist. Every endocrinologist and urologist in the St. Louis area is booked for the next
four months. I literally won't last that long as this condition is literally getting worse, and worse
day by day. So I set up an appointment with a urologist. He ordered another blood test, and if
the results are the same or worse, he said he'll prescribe me Androgel. But will this gel actually
restore to my former, or am I permanently damaged?

I can't even begin to tell the pain of feeling weak doing a highly physical job such as floor-laying.
Not only can I no longer get an erection, or have the extremely high sex drive I had not but 4
months ago, but I can't even remember what it's like to be attracted to a women. I can't feel any
stimulation at all anymore, If there's any chance I can save what's left of me as a man, please
help me.
Hi,. Hope this is not a troll post, and I can't get too involved here... But from your doctor over prescribed antibiotics that messed up your gastro system and other issues are not related to your test/libido/gyno issues now?

How did the antibiotics causing gastro issues lead you to the Supplement Superstore, to get a test booster (98% placebo, expensive tribulus and fenugreek)? Instead they give you a mild prohormone Helladrol, which are 1,4 andro (DHEA) and Armistane based... not very strong or potent to actual Test levels This would not boost your natural test levels to supraphysiological levels to aromatize into estrogen...

Did you have before after blood work done, before the Hella drol or test booster? I bet you had low Test and other issues to begin with, prior to those... I doubt the Helladrol or Test booster sold OTC were strong enough to have shut your test down and provided gyno sides.

Your doctor has you on right path, hopefully your endocrinologist will prescribe androgel or TRT shots, if you have low T and gyno sides, you need real hormone therapy (not fake boosters or weak OTC prohormone). But 4 months is way too long to wait with symptoms to see an endo too.

If you cannot wait, you may want to talk to Dr. Brian Henry at Entourage Hormones. A TRT specialist and if you show him proper low T blood test he will make sure you get TRT affordably. Discuss other sides, you may need to rectify before the TRT starts.

In the meantime you may want to get SERM or AI from board sponsor PRE to combat gyno sides? Raloxifene or Novladex for SERM and Exemestane/Aromaisin for AI to combat gyno.

I'm no doctor, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
 

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I'm in some deep, deep waters here, and I need some help. First of all, a little history about
myself, I'm old-fashioned when it comes to exercise. I hit the gym three days a week, and as far
as supplements, I only take the basics. Multivitamin, whey, and creatine all from Wal-Mart.
When I was only fifteen years old, my doctor prescribed me an antibiotic, and had me take it for
over a year and half. I had no idea at the age what antibiotic truly was, but by any estimate, that
doctor should be shot for the crime he did against me. Subsequently, I had anywhere from 4-7
bowel movements a day for almost a decade. Unbeknownst to me, I developed food allergens
against wheat and chicken. My lungs ranged from 60-80% obstruction by my overly swollen
esphagus. I also developed the most malnourishing disease you can foster if you've had it long
enough. Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth. The immune system isn't allowed that far into the
basement so I had to crack that code myself after my gastroenterologist gave up on me. I
begged for the test. This ailment literally had over 100 symptoms that matched my own.
So I went into Supplement Superstore for the first time. I don't know if its the case elsewhere,
but S2 stores are the Drug Lords of the St. Louis area. So I walk in looking in for a natural test
booster. I've used Tribulus Terrestris with positive results, but I thought I'd look for something
stronger this time. I explain to them how I often feel lethargic, and was curious if they had
anything that make me feel stronger throughout the day. They directed me to what they said to
be their strongest stuff. They claimed that it would not only make me stronger, but there's no
side effects. It's almost like a steroid but with no side effects. I was almost worried at this
prospect. Too good to be true so I asked them if I could become addicted to it. They said you'll
only miss the fact that you'll be benching 400 lbs instead of 315. So I got the stuff, and took it for
three days. I didn't really feel any strength gains whatsoever, but I didn't notice rapid weight loss
as well as kind of a lower sex drive. Felt like I was losing muscle and fat at the same time so I
went off of it after 10 days. When I went off the stuff, I even felt worse. I felt low on energy, and
a bit weaker. So after being off of it for two weeks I go back on in hopes that I'd feel a little
better. Within less than a week, the scariest side effect had happened yet. I could no longer get
an erection. It was definitely scary, but in my mind, I felt if I went clean off of it my drive would
come back soon enough. After three weeks, I was so low on testosterone, I began to develop
soft womanly breasts, and I had lost a considerable amount of strength and muscle. I knew
something had to be wrong so I researched Helladrol, and I discovered I'd been taking a
prohormone. I immediately went into Supplement Superstore again extremely stressed out.
They told me I needed to take some estrogen blockers, and natural test boosters. It cost me
over $100, but I was desparate. I took the stuff, and I felt better for one night. That's it. One
night. I took the blockers and boosters for a little over 3 weeks with no avail. I was getting
extremely afraid I'd never be able to produce testosterone like I had before. I set up an
appointment with my doctor. He had me take 6 blood test, and the results showed that my
testosterone was dramatically low. My doctor gave me nothing. He said I needed to see an
endocrinologist. Every endocrinologist and urologist in the St. Louis area is booked for the next
four months. I literally won't last that long as this condition is literally getting worse, and worse
day by day. So I set up an appointment with a urologist. He ordered another blood test, and if
the results are the same or worse, he said he'll prescribe me Androgel. But will this gel actually
restore to my former, or am I permanently damaged?

I can't even begin to tell the pain of feeling weak doing a highly physical job such as floor-laying.
Not only can I no longer get an erection, or have the extremely high sex drive I had not but 4
months ago, but I can't even remember what it's like to be attracted to a women. I can't feel any
stimulation at all anymore, If there's any chance I can save what's left of me as a man, please
help me.
I can't imagine it would have that kind of effect, how old are you?
If under 21, or i say 26, any of these compounds can hurt your sexual development.

The chemical composition in that drug has very little negative sexual effects...
The main problem with it is ist a methylated compound, so it breaks down in the liver and can make you toxic if you take too much, or for too long. Were you drinking or doing any drugs while taking it?

But it is a banned substance now, so you really cant really know whats in it.
 

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Scratch the androgel. Tell your doctor you recently did a prohormone and he/she will more than likely give you chlomid to get your natural testosterone levels up. If that doesn't work then go on the androgel.
 

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You won't likely die from low T as you allude, you'll just feel like **** with no sex drive,and possible depression, etc until it is corrected... If you have tanked your system with a prohormone it may come back on its own, but could take a long time as in months (or even longer).

A lot depends on your age as previously mentioned. If you are over 40 and did what you say, especially with other health challenges, it may not bounce back or will take a very very long time, but if you are 25, chances are it could.....in time, but still only if no other factors dragging you down which sounds like there are.

Second the opinion to look into a reputable TRT specialist like Entourage or one of the others mentioned countless times on these and other forums.

Most endo's, and Urologists are super ultra conservative with their protocols, and may not be as versed in modern TRT techniques. Very few will likely prescribe Clomid to recover, or even HCG on cycle. Androgel is easy, but not nearly as effective as injections

Really need to get your gut health in order with a good daily probiotic, and make sure your diet is super tight. Have come back from severe IBS and stomach intestinal issues myself, and also low T as well, and there is light but the first step is getting on a regimen from a quality practitioner.

Test boosters are snake oil for the most part, especially if your system is damaged from a cycle without proper PCT. There are a few that will help boost Libido, and free up what Test you still have, etc.. but nothing OTC will get your system to produce if it is shut down hard.
 
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Hey, guys. Its 2ndbloodstone again. My name is Paul, and this website is a goddamn nightmare. I used my password to log back in, but didnt work. So i reset my password 3 times, and all the passwords they sent me in the email didnt work. So i just registered a new username. Im probably gonna have to re-register every time i reply to your threads.

Big Larry. Im 29 yrs pld. 5'11". 229 lbs is what i weight before this happened. I could deadlift 465 lbs. Bench 325. Curl two 60 lb dumbbells with perfect form. Im a strong guy believe it or not despite my formative years of medical hell.

Positiveflow, the medication abuse happened when i was 16. I proved to my gastroenterologist that i had the SIBO in late 2010. He told me there is no cure. In my medical industry, there isnt. But i cured myself naturally the next year with colloidal silver, and soon after had to cure it again as i had not realized i was allergic to chicken yet at the time. My parents are near amish, and very old-fashioned. My father never believed I had any problems, but then again he's so simple-minded he doesnt even know what 'testosterone' is as Ive had the conversation before with him. In his defense, I suppose testosterone wasnt mentioned in the Bible among other things as its the only book he's ever opened.
As i slowly, recovered and healed after 2011, each year I felt better and better. In the end, my worst problems were the fact that I was still hypoglycemic as an end result as well as malnourished a lot of vitamins and minerals as I possibly still have low stomach acid or my enzyme secretion is shot. I have to eat a lot. But with the diet Im on, active job/lifestyle, and the most anti-catabolic full month workout i engineered myself, Ive only become stronger and stronger.
I was NOT low on testosterone before this happened. I was horny all the time. My ex-gf and I had great sex before breaking up mutually. Before this happened, if i did not have some sort of sexual experience by the end of the day, Id vomit. I had spikes in my testosterone all the time as I exercised, worked, finished a pleasing meal, saw sexy women, or drank. I realize now after losing the testosterone i had, it was just about the only thing keeping me sane in this life.
 
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I had to cut my response in half. It wont let me reply with my response. This website is weird.
 
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Also i was not on any medications at the time. After the drug abuse i suffered as a teen, i became pharmacophobic, and go he natural paths at all cost.

Additionally, there is no "hopefully you dont have to wait 4 months" after this happened. Its BEEN 4 months. It happened back in August, and Ive doing research and trying to find help ever since. But i feel like with

Additionally, there is no "hopefully you dont have to wait 4 months" after this happened. Its BEEN 4 months. It happened back in August, and Ive doing research and trying to find help ever since. But i feel like with the way i took this supplement without ant pct at the time, and the further atrophy in the past several months, there is no hope of me recovering.
In one week, hopefully the urologist prescribes me the androgel so we can find out for sure.
I will look up Brian Henry in the meantime. Thank you for that.
Also, a week ago a medication areived in the mail thati ordered from some canadian pharmacy. Its clomid. But after a week, there has been no changes. I also ordered a very expensive online dose of HCG, but it hasnt arrived yet. Should i send it back, and get a refund? I know its normally used when taking anabolics withe research ive done. But i also heard it can cure you if you have secondary hypogonadism as it imitates the LSH in your endocrine system.
 
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The helladrol most certainly did induce the hypogonadism, and they didnt sell me any PCT until I came back 4 weeks later after i stopped taking the helladrol. I didnt even know what PCT was beforehand. My PCT was more like helladrol itself. Once again, i took it for 10 days straight. Was off for two weeks with nothing yo substitute or pct, and then went back on it for 6 days. You have to understand they victimized someone who didnt know anything about this drug or these kinds of drugs. All i knew at the time, is a an educated nutrionalist told me it was a drug that made me stronger with no side effects.
 
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PoSiTiVeFLoW The helladrol most certainly did induce the hypogonadism, and they didnt sell me any PCT until I came back 4 weeks later after i stopped taking the helladrol. I didnt even know what PCT was beforehand. My PCT was more like helladrol itself. Once again, i took it for 10 days straight. Was off for two weeks with nothing yo substitute or pct, and then went back on it for 6 days. You have to understand they victimized someone who didnt know anything about this drug or these kinds of drugs. All i knew at the time, is a an educated nutrionalist told me it was a drug that made me stronger with no side effects.
 
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TSMilliner My gut as issues are in order, and have been fixed a long time ago. And I most certainly did not have low T before this incident. I had over 17 inch are arms, and was stronger than nearly everyone at my gym.
I know low T isn't going to kill me. Its the overwhelming amount of suicidal thoughts that will kill me as I slowly lose my manhood.
What's OCT?
 
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TSMilliner My gut as issues are in order, and have been fixed a long time ago. And I most certainly did not have low T before this incident. I had over 17 inch are arms, and was stronger than nearly everyone at my gym.
I know low T isn't going to kill me. Its the overwhelming amount of suicidal thoughts that will kill me as I slowly lose my manhood.
What's OCT?
 
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TSMilliner My gut as issues are in order, and have been fixed a long time ago. And I most certainly did not have low T before this incident. I had over 17 inch are arms, and was stronger than nearly everyone at my gym.
I know low T isn't going to kill me. Its the overwhelming amount of suicidal thoughts that will kill me as I slowly lose my manhood.
What's OCT?
 
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TSMilliner My gut as issues are in order, and have been fixed a long time ago. And I most certainly did not have low T before this incident. I had over 17 inch are arms, and was stronger than nearly everyone at my gym.
I know low T isn't going to kill me. Its the overwhelming amount of suicidal thoughts that will kill me as I slowly lose my manhood.
What's OCT?
 
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TSMilliner My gut as issues are in order, and have been fixed a long time ago. And I most certainly did not have low T before this incident. I had over 17 inch are arms, and was stronger than nearly everyone at my gym.
I know low T isn't going to kill me. Its the overwhelming amount of suicidal thoughts that will kill me as I slowly lose my manhood.
What's OCT?
Hey Paul,

I've been there too. We can't change the past, but the additional details help. Was confused how gastro issues led you to the supplement store for a 1,4-andro and Armistane based prohormone (Helladrol) lol. Yeah, the website editor isn't the best, but you can delete those 4x duplicate posts :)

Clomid or Novladex (SERM) will help reduce gyno and boost your free T. Sorry, for the acronym as OTC (over the counter), meaning the test booster or Helladrol.

I believe you, just didn't think 1,4-andro (being non methylated, unlike most banned prohormones) would survive the liver pass enough to alter your test levels to cause this... perhaps they are more potent in Helladrol formula, maybe included a delivery tech to bypass liver?

Try and get before/after blood work anytime you start a prohormone or other steroid like support - track LSH, FSH, free Test, and ALT, AST at minimum along with kidney, BUN, creatinine, lipids.

But to get you on track, get the SERM to deal with gyno, and androgel or TRT shots if that SERM doesn't also right your T levels.

And hopefully if your endo is too busy, Dr. Henry might be able to help faster.
 
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PoSiTiVeFLoW Yeah i probably shouldnt have simply copy-and-pasted from the word document. Ran all the paragraphs together. Originally there was a huge gap in between my medical history, and the present incident. The sole reason I posted about the issues was to signify that my digestive system/immune system are much weaker and sensitive than most people's. I react very differently to supplements which is why Ive hardly touched any for 7 yrs until now other than cheap test booster. The predominant reason I went to the supplement store, i suppose you could say, is because im simply making much more money than i used to, and I thought I'd upgrade on a few supplements instead of my Wal-Mart buys.

When you say SERM are you talking about something like Clomid? Cuz im still taking that, and it hasnt changed ****. Ir do you mean something like Nolvadren? Does anyone know how effective HCG shots could be with my problem? Also, my doctor explained the difference between the shots and the androgel, and it sounds like the androgel would work more consistently. He said they only administer the shots once every two weeks, and often on those last days of the stretch you feel much weaker again.
 
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PoSiTiVeFLoW Yeah i probably shouldnt have simply copy-and-pasted from the word document. Ran all the paragraphs together. Originally there was a huge gap in between my medical history, and the present incident. The sole reason I posted about the issues was to signify that my digestive system/immune system are much weaker and sensitive than most people's. I react very differently to supplements which is why Ive hardly touched any for 7 yrs until now other than cheap test booster. The predominant reason I went to the supplement store, i suppose you could say, is because im simply making much more money than i used to, and I thought I'd upgrade on a few supplements instead of my Wal-Mart buys.

When you say SERM are you talking about something like Clomid? Cuz im still taking that, and it hasnt changed ****. Ir do you mean something like Nolvadren? Does anyone know how effective HCG shots could be with my problem? Also, my doctor explained the difference between the shots and the androgel, and it sounds like the androgel would work more consistently. He said they only administer the shots once every two weeks, and often on those last days of the stretch you feel much weaker again.
Yeah might try Novladex (Tamoxifen citrate) it's a stronger T booster than Clomid or other SERM. PM sent.

Works with in one week if I am shutdown from a strong oral methyl PH cycle...my total T will show low, right after cycle, but its boost free T and you can feel the gonads enlarge again, in a few weeks. Blood work is key to determine what really is going on with any of this stuff.

Androgel is good stuff, no needles too :)
 
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PoSiTiVeFLoW So return the HCG shots before I try them? I feel like most of the forum threads I've read on steroidology, and whatnot, have clearly stated HCG is the strongest prohormone-induced hypogonadism treatment. And some say it's exclusively the only one that really fully restores. I've tried these strong natural test boosters, and they just don't do anything at all with the dire state Helladrol has put me in. It almost feels like my body completely forgot how to produce testosterone. It's hard to believe my body will ever learn to produce like it used to.
 
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PoSiTiVeFLoW So return the HCG shots before I try them? I feel like most of the forum threads I've read on steroidology, and whatnot, have clearly stated HCG is the strongest prohormone-induced hypogonadism treatment. And some say it's exclusively the only one that really fully restores. I've tried these strong natural test boosters, and they just don't do anything at all with the dire state Helladrol has put me in. It almost feels like my body completely forgot how to produce testosterone. It's hard to believe my body will ever learn to produce like it used to.
Oh no, if you have HCG, use it...
 
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Any doctor that TELLS you their biweekly pinning schedule for TRT is not sufficient, but doesn't do the obvious and change it to weekly or twice a week, has no idea what they are doing. Better yet, send it home with the patient and let them do it however works best for them.
 
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PoSiTiVeFLoW Well here's the thing about HCG. First of all the injections are $250 for this kit. I already failed to get it from the first website which was $60 cheaper, but i told them the truth and apparently that doesn't fly. So there's pretty much nothing that stresses my body out more than weight loss, and I seriously don't know if I can handle the day-to-day weight loss those shots administer. Im clearly never going to participate in using prohormones or the like ever again so it's not like I'll need to hold onto the bottle for anything else. Also, i feel like all the stress from weight loss would lower my testosterone even more. I bought a cheap $30 bottle of HCG from vitamin Shoppe. The kind you just drop under your tongue, and that alone stressed me about so bad Ive only been taking it once every 3 days. If trt is what I need most, dont you think I should just cancel the HCG order, and stick with the clomid now until I get any trt. Cuz if this urologist for some reason doesn't give me it, I'll have to purchase it online without insurance which will also run about $200 for me.

Rascal, thanks for the response. Once again, guys I wouldn't be able to see an endocrinologist for 3 months all they're all booked, but my doctor said a urologist could handle it. I saw him yesterday. Things went ok. He said he'll prescribe me the androgen next week when he says my test is still low. I could get the shots, and he said I could take them home, but id likely have to have someone inject them for me in the buttocks. But since they only think two shots a month is sufficient. Two injections would run at a month supply cost.
 

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I’m sorry if I missed this but what are your current test levels? You have had a blood test to check testosterone levels, estrogen, LH, etc correct?
 

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