Illegal stuff (steroids, designed drugs, drugs) found in supplements

Blasphemon

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Happened in Poland/Czech Republic, but you can surely be familiar with some etiquettes and tubs on this video, so Ive found it can be interesting for ya behind big Ocean ;).

Few weeks ago big internet shop in Poland with some nice stuff like SARMS and high stim preworkouts (mainly their own brand WXN, and Dark Labs but also some nice stuff from USA like xtreme cartel, submission sience etc etc) suddenly closed, disappeared from website with only message left that every order is cancelled and money will be returned. So I wonderin what is going on, but supposed some illegal stuff.
Today's info - central investigating bureau of police found drugs, steroids, drugs analogs etc. in some stuff and caught some guys.


you got all this transltaor stuffs and ai some below link to polish article from police's site
cbsp.policja.pl

Rozbita grupa handlowała suplementami zawierającymi narkotyki i sterydy

CBŚP, KAS i Polada przy wsparciu czeskiej Celní Správa, słowackiej Krajowej Agencji Kryminalnej Policji, Europolu i Eurojustu, pod nadzorem Prokuratury Okręgowej w Gliwicach, Prokuratury Regionalnej w Bratysławie oraz Prokuratury Miejskiej w Brnie, rozbiły zorganizowaną grupę przestępczą...
cbsp.policja.pl cbsp.policja.pl

some rumours about f.e. mephedrone (4mmc) in ECA (WXN) and other stuff
 
Here's the translation for anyone interested in reading:

The Central Bureau of Investigation, the National Criminal Police Agency and Polada, with the support of the Czech Customs Office, the Slovak National Criminal Police Agency, Europol and Eurojust, under the supervision of the District Prosecutor's Office in Gliwice, the Regional Prosecutor's Office in Bratislava and the Municipal Prosecutor's Office in Brno, dismantled an organised crime group involved in the production and distribution of dietary supplements and fat burners containing drugs, psychoactive substances, steroids and SARMs. A total of 7 people were detained, 2 of whom are suspected of leading the group. Several thousand boxes of illegal substances with an estimated value of at least PLN 20 million were seized.

The arrest of 7 people, the liquidation of the production line of illegal pharmaceuticals and dietary supplements consisting of 5 machines in the form of labeling machines and mixers, 4 warehouses in which there were several thousand cartons of illegal substances with an estimated value of at least PLN 20 million, are the result of recent actions of the Management Board in Katowice of the Central Bureau of Investigation of the Police, the Wielkopolska Customs and Fiscal Office, the Polish Anti-Doping Agency in cooperation with the Anti-Drug Department of the Customs Service based in Brno, the Slovak National Criminal Police Agency - Anti-Drug Central Office in Bratislava, as well as Europol and Eurojust. The investigation is conducted as part of an international JIT investigation team, based on an agreement under the supervision and management of the District Prosecutor's Office in Gliwice, the Regional Prosecutor's Office in Bratislava and the City Prosecutor's Office in Brno.

During the implementation, which was carried out in Mazovia, mainly in Warsaw, it turned out that the places of production and storage of these supplements did not meet the required sanitary standards. According to the preliminary opinion of experts in the field of pharmacy, the secured substances pose a real threat to the life and health of consumers. Experts discovered drugs, stimulants, steroids and selective androgen receptor modulators, so-called SARMs, in the tested samples. According to investigators, the products were sold through online stores, and the established profit from several years of activity of the suspects is estimated at over PLN 30 million. In addition, the prosecutor blocked over a hundred bank accounts associated with this group, which contained several million zlotys.

The charges brought by the prosecutor concerned participation in an organized criminal group, processing narcotics, psychotropic substances and new psychoactive substances, manufacturing medicinal products without the required permit, endangering the life and health of many people, manufacturing supplements harmful to human life and health, as well as allegations of doping in sports, as well as money laundering in the amount of over PLN 31 million. In addition, 2 people are suspected of leading an organized criminal group, which is punishable by up to 15 years of imprisonment.

According to the investigators, this group also cooperated with individuals from the Czech Republic and Slovakia, where earlier the services detained 6 suspects and secured about 100 kilograms of substances and about 1,000 pieces of various steroids and illegal dietary supplements. Property worth almost 3 million Czech crowns was also seized at that time.
 
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Blasphemon said:
Hey

Happened in Poland/Czech Republic, but you can surely be familiar with some etiquettes and tubs on this video, so Ive found it can be interesting for ya behind big Ocean ;).

Few weeks ago big internet shop in Poland with some nice stuff like SARMS and high stim preworkouts (mainly their own brand WXN, and Dark Labs but also some nice stuff from USA like xtreme cartel, submission sience etc etc) suddenly closed, disappeared from website with only message left that every order is cancelled and money will be returned. So I wonderin what is going on, but supposed some illegal stuff.
Today's info - central investigating bureau of police found drugs, steroids, drugs analogs etc. in some stuff and caught some guys.

some rumours about f.e. mephedrone (4mmc) in ECA (WXN) and other stuff
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My understanding of the situation is that there was a legal and an illegal side what happened there.

The legal side was that some of the people involved with this were a legitimate distributor or distribution network that sold legitimate dietary supplements to retailers and consumers.

There were multiple illegal sides to things, but those sides had nothing to do with the legitimate supplements that they were carrying.

Illegal side #1 - was that in addition to selling legitimate dietary supplements from many larger brands, they were selling things that were selling a variety of illegal drugs, stimulants, steroids, and sarm's.

Illegal side #2 - they were running their own production line of illegal pharmaceuticals and supplements, and that the place where they were making them didn't meet the required sanitation standards for supplements.

^^^ Basically a company selling legit supplements as a front, but making their own illegal things that they sell too.

It does not appear from anything that I've read that any of the muscle building products were spiked, like this wasn't a case of someone spiking supplements with sarm's or steroids; it was that they were running a backroom operation where they were capsulating sarm's and steroids and other drugs, and the people buying them knew they were buying sarm's, steroids, etc.

This appears that it may go beyond just things considered the norm in bodybuilding like sarm's and into things that have nothing to do with bodybuilding at all. Here is one translated line:
The charges brought by the prosecutor concerned participation in an organized criminal group, processing narcotics, psychotropic substances and new psychoactive substances, manufacturing medicinal products without the required permit, endangering the life and health of many people, manufacturing supplements harmful to human life and health, as well as allegations of doping in sports.

It didn't say whether the illegal stimulants were put in their own brand of supplements without being declared on the ingredient panel. For example, they could have been selling things with DMAA in it and listed on the label, and that would have been a crime. But also, they could have been selling/manufacturing some of the popular pre-workouts that are very sought after that people know are being spiked and that people seek out because they are spiked.


It will be interesting to see if this is an isolated case, or if they will be going after other retailers in the EU because sarm's, ph's, and spiked pre's have been so common for so long there, and pretty widely openly sold, that it makes me wonder if this is an isolated thing and they mainly went after them because of the narcotics and hard drugs involved, or if they are going to start going after many of the other retailers in the EU selling those types of items.
 
"It does not appear from anything that I've read that any of the muscle building products were spiked, like this wasn't a case of someone spiking supplements with sarm's or steroids; it was that they were running a backroom operation where they were capsulating sarm's and steroids and other drugs, and the people buying them knew they were buying sarm's, steroids, etc."

not rly, their brand WXN you could easily buy completely legally from their shop, few other ones as well and on our polish ebay since they were totally legit on a label, but as rumours says for example in their fat burners they have found mephedrone for example.
To be honest - everyone who knew the industry even lil bit knew that their brand is very suspicious, a lot of crazy stuff, worked great, but the next bottle was completely crap etc. So personally I avoid them.
Dont know if you have these Dark Labs stuff there in USA but, how to say it ... the first shop where Dark Labs products were sold was a WXN ;). You have to draw conclusions ;).

"It will be interesting to see if this is an isolated case, or if they will be going after other retailers in the EU because sarm's, ph's, and spiked pre's have been so common for so long there, and pretty widely openly sold, that it makes me wonder if this is an isolated thing and they mainly went after them because of the narcotics and hard drugs involved, or if they are going to start going after many of the other retailers in the EU selling those types of items."

As I have heard unoficcialy, police has a mission to cut the china/india routes to Poland/UE with illegal stuff, cuz all the brands modus operandi is simple - buy raw material from china (doesnt matter if sarm, ph, steroids) and put it in capsules, "cook" steroids etc. We will see.
 
Blasphemon said:
"It does not appear from anything that I've read that any of the muscle building products were spiked, like this wasn't a case of someone spiking supplements with sarm's or steroids; it was that they were running a backroom operation where they were capsulating sarm's and steroids and other drugs, and the people buying them knew they were buying sarm's, steroids, etc."

not rly, their brand WXN you could easily buy completely legally from their shop, few other ones as well and on our polish ebay since they were totally legit on a label, but as rumours says for example in their fat burners they have found mephedrone for example.
To be honest - everyone who knew the industry even lil bit knew that their brand is very suspicious, a lot of crazy stuff, worked great, but the next bottle was completely crap etc. So personally I avoid them.
Dont know if you have these Dark Labs stuff there in USA but, how to say it ... the first shop where Dark Labs products were sold was a WXN ;). You have to draw conclusions ;).

"It will be interesting to see if this is an isolated case, or if they will be going after other retailers in the EU because sarm's, ph's, and spiked pre's have been so common for so long there, and pretty widely openly sold, that it makes me wonder if this is an isolated thing and they mainly went after them because of the narcotics and hard drugs involved, or if they are going to start going after many of the other retailers in the EU selling those types of items."

As I have heard unoficcialy, police has a mission to cut the china/india routes to Poland/UE with illegal stuff, cuz all the brands modus operandi is simple - buy raw material from china (doesnt matter if sarm, ph, steroids) and put it in capsules, "cook" steroids etc. We will see.
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I think we are saying, or trying to say the same thing if I'm not mistaken.

Don't take me in any way as condoning any of this, as I absolutely do not. I was just trying to explain it in a way that people reading here in the US would understand the context of it.

I don't care what people put in their body by choice, but I think that they have the right to know what they are putting in their body and should never be deceived on that.

What I meant by the part of my post that you quoted:
"It does not appear from anything that I've read that any of the muscle building products were spiked, like this wasn't a case of someone spiking supplements with sarm's or steroids; it was that they were running a backroom operation where they were capsulating sarm's and steroids and other drugs, and the people buying them knew they were buying sarm's, steroids, etc."

^^^ What I meant by that part is that from what I've read, and I'm in the US and can only go off of what I've read, is that it seemed like they weren't like selling a natural testosterone booster and spiking it with sarm's so ph's, that they were selling the sarm's as sarm's. (Still illegal, but different context).

That's why I mentioned the pre-workouts separately in my post because I know that a lot of pre-workouts have undeclared stimulants in them and that there are people that seek out and even post and compare batch numbers trying to find the strongest or most euphoric spiked pre's.

I'm not familiar with WXN, and I didn't know the part that you wrote that some of their fat burners were rumored to have other things in them.

I think that a lot of the people that seek out the spiked designer stimulants underestimate the possible health risks of not knowing what you're taking and how much of it you're getting. The inconsistencies from batch to batch, like you mentioned, show that they aren't being made in a controlled environment to ensure potency from batch to batch.

My worry with the spiked pre's in general has always been that I've worried about people that don't know they are spiked and the people buying them are wanting them to be. For example, average 45 yo guy going to the gym gets told to try it, buys one thinking its nothing more than a regular pre-workout and then something bad happens to him.

To your last part, that's what I wondered. The article made the connection of these coming in through Czech and Slovakia, but raw materials like that are almost always made in China or India.

A lot of people here in the US assume that sarm's and ph's were/are legal in the UK and EU because they're so openly sold and so many people in the US buy them from there. They've been illegal there for many, many years, but it seems like the laws just never got enforced. I was wondering if, especially with Interpol's involvement in this, if they were going to go after all of it now and if this could turn into a much bigger thing for UK/EU sellers. From what you said you'd heard, that seems like could be the case. .
 
About SARMs i do not know british law, but in Poland its pretty similar with disgusgting wave of designer drugs several years ago, when some nasty and unstudied stuff were sold in pretty colourfull bags just from the official shops on the streets, galleries etc. Far worse then cocaine, amphetamine etc. cuz these ones are well known how to work and what are pros and cons - in designer drugs you dont know what you smoke/take and a lot of young folks died from this ****. But for first years it was fully legal to sell it - you just have to write on label "NOT FOR HUMAN USE" or "FOR RESEARCHING PURPOSES" etc. But after few deaths of youngsters and big public rumours they had to make some law to forbidden designer drugs.
The same situation is now with SARMs - noone sell it for human use as a supplements ;). If we can read in newspapers about SARMs it always connected with other stuf like in this case, never alone, so all in all police etc. doesnt care for SARMs right now pretty much cuz noone died from it etc. Anyway, most of SARMs in Poland are made by "companies" which make also steroids and propably raw materials come to Poland in the same package with testosterones powders, halotestins etc etc ;) so "sarms market" can get some backfire.
 
Blasphemon said:
About SARMs i do not know british law, but in Poland its pretty similar with disgusgting wave of designer drugs several years ago, when some nasty and unstudied stuff were sold in pretty colourfull bags just from the official shops on the streets, galleries etc. Far worse then cocaine, amphetamine etc. cuz these ones are well known how to work and what are pros and cons - in designer drugs you dont know what you smoke/take and a lot of young folks died from this ****. But for first years it was fully legal to sell it - you just have to write on label "NOT FOR HUMAN USE" or "FOR RESEARCHING PURPOSES" etc. But after few deaths of youngsters and big public rumours they had to make some law to forbidden designer drugs.
The same situation is now with SARMs - noone sell it for human use as a supplements ;). If we can read in newspapers about SARMs it always connected with other stuf like in this case, never alone, so all in all police etc. doesnt care for SARMs right now pretty much cuz noone died from it etc. Anyway, most of SARMs in Poland are made by "companies" which make also steroids and propably raw materials come to Poland in the same package with testosterones powders, halotestins etc etc ;) so "sarms market" can get some backfire.
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I don't know all the details of laws over there, but from what I had read, the compounds were illegal regardless of what they said on them; but that companies do get by with it.

Similar to here in the US - some people think that because sarm's are so widespread that saying they are research chemicals or not for human consumption makes them legal to sell, but it doesn't. There have been a ton of criminal cases against sarm's here in the US. It's just so widespread that the government hasn't gone after it in a widespread sense, but a lot of people and companies have gotten in trouble for it.

I remembered hearing about this in the UK last year.

www.bbc.com

Sarms: Illegal muscle drugs sold in UK shops, BBC finds

Secret filming reveals that "dangerous" substances are widely available for sale around the country.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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