If you can take pro-hormones orally why not base steroids?
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lozgod - i am currently working out a plan to use base hormones sublingually with a cyclodextrin attachment. been doing alot of research and the chemistry is really easy. i have access to all sorts of bases cheap (test, boldenone, deca, tren - no source checks) and of course cyclo is easy to find. any of these would require 3+ dosings per day as the half-life is very short. only hangup really is that i'll have to wake up halfway through a night's sleep to dose (which is a good feeding practice when bulking anyways)
not looking to compare this approach to full test-based AAS cycles....still plan to run them short (i like minimal suppression for obvious reasons) and incorporate PH/PS....the test base could potentially produce TNE or suspension-like results when stacked with other compounds, and the side abatement would keep me from having to use 4-ad and incur its bloaty wrath. i'm exploring this idea on other boards - please if any of the chem heavy-hitters want to weight in i am all ears.
you can also do some things transdermally w/ DMSO but i've never been a fan of that approach.
not looking to compare this approach to full test-based AAS cycles....still plan to run them short (i like minimal suppression for obvious reasons) and incorporate PH/PS....the test base could potentially produce TNE or suspension-like results when stacked with other compounds, and the side abatement would keep me from having to use 4-ad and incur its bloaty wrath. i'm exploring this idea on other boards - please if any of the chem heavy-hitters want to weight in i am all ears.
you can also do some things transdermally w/ DMSO but i've never been a fan of that approach.
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I'm sick and tired of needles now too. I've got all kinds of scar tissue in my pecs, quads, etc. now. I've done my fair share of pinning to, just gets to be monotonous after all of the prop cycles I've run over time.
I've been looking into dermal but the thing is that I use such high doses, that I'd be smearing that crap all over the damn place. I used to use BDC's T-gel back in the day when it first came out....but it was just too much of a hassle for me.
Defiantely need some other types of delivery methods....
I've been looking into dermal but the thing is that I use such high doses, that I'd be smearing that crap all over the damn place. I used to use BDC's T-gel back in the day when it first came out....but it was just too much of a hassle for me.
Defiantely need some other types of delivery methods....
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well if you're taking the right stuff, you dont need >100mg ED. both test base and tren can produce good results if you estimate sublingual delivery @ 80%. i guess if you're like me and you take pills 3x/day on-cycle anyways, it isnt any less convenient. plus i'll only use one base per cycle, keeping me from having to double up doses (as the sublingual method cannot exceed 1 dose every 2 hours)lozgod said:
it's too bad there isnt a fast-acting weekly IM that keeps the water down. guess that's next to impossible. you can do prop 2x/week (HRT guys do) but it's not nearly as effective as ED or EOD.
what about tren enanthate? takes a while to kick in?
Rogue Drone
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Sublinguals can be a PITA too, one has to hold a mouthful of spit for 20+minutes when one's saliva glands go into high gear, an hour a day of that is a nuisance, I would prefer to snort myself.
Brushing your teeth and then rinsing with a high alcohol solution like Listerine will improve absorbancy.
Brushing your teeth and then rinsing with a high alcohol solution like Listerine will improve absorbancy.
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glad to know the listerine tip. hope that doesnt find its way onto the banned list :blink:Rogue Drone said:
never heard the 20 minute requirement. got a source? with cyclodiol, 250mg is gone in like 5-10 min but yeah you dont swallow during that time. easiest thing in the world. just be aware that it's there for that short time.
anybody read the threads from that link? one guy got great results from popping pellets orally; another got a stomach that hasnt been right since. i reckon the latter could be avoided if he'd used the powder (no glues, dyes or MC and if capped it disperses evenly) but then it becomes harder/illegal to obtain...hell you could actually pop pellets in the wide open - they are legal until you dissolve them...i dont recommend this, however :run:
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The brushing the teeth part is optional, the rinse does the absorbancy improvement, but one might as well get the good oral hygeine in anyway.
20 minutes is the standard time specified for sublinguals like the Melatonin I've used, the actual absorbancy requirement for a cyclodextrin based PH I don't know. I probably won't find out either, I'll snort my cyclos.
There are probably studies around on sublingual absorbtion times, go find us some so anyone trying it will know exactly how long they have to hold the spit and not one minute longer.
20 minutes is the standard time specified for sublinguals like the Melatonin I've used, the actual absorbancy requirement for a cyclodextrin based PH I don't know. I probably won't find out either, I'll snort my cyclos.
There are probably studies around on sublingual absorbtion times, go find us some so anyone trying it will know exactly how long they have to hold the spit and not one minute longer.
