idunk42's GH Frag Log

idunk42

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I was lucky enough to be one of the people to test IBE's new GH fragment. I am a minimalist when it comes to trying new products, so I will be running only 100mcg, 5 ond 2 off, compared to what the others are running. I am also going to be running IGF-1 lr3 along with the GH at two doses of 20mcg per day. Im not going to start the log until probably Monday (I have alot going on this week with school). I will try and get some pics up this weekend, as well as measurements.

I plan on taking in right around maintenence as far as calories go, with a 40/40/20 split. Im not going to be as precise as Grunt, as far as keeping track of exact micros. I'll keep everyone updated as soon as I can.
 
Sorry for the delay guys, but Im gonna get all my measurements up tonight (hopefully :) ). I've been super busy and I didnt wanna start this until I knew I would be able to get everything squared away. I plan on starting it tomorrow morning with my first dose of the GH probably around 5 AM or so.
 
slacker...:trout:

Just kidding....looking forward to this log, considering the possibility of frag with ghrelin/GHRP-6/Hexarelin. I wonder about cycle length though...is the frag something you can run indefinetely or does it require off time? Hopefully we'll find out with these logs.
 
coolio Im thinking of trying something like this for my next pct...Have you ran igflr3 before with same routine, diet etc.. How will you know whats doin what.

I also wondering what brought you to the decision to use with IGF?

Not bashing you bro..just trying to get some insight..:)
 
ryano said:
coolio Im thinking of trying something like this for my next pct...Have you ran igflr3 before with same routine, diet etc.. How will you know whats doin what.

I also wondering what brought you to the decision to use with IGF?

Not bashing you bro..just trying to get some insight..:)
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I am going to have the same diet that I had the previous time that I ran the IGF. I only ran it at 40mcg/day, and didnt see much results, but I've read some threads on this board and a couple others where people ran igf/gh togther and seen really good results while running less igf than they normally would. I still plan on running 40mcg of the igf.

Another reason is that I already had planned on doing a cycle of igf before going into my next AAS cycle, previous to being selected by IBE. I planned on running the IGF before the cycle, then during the middle, and then during pct as well. I understand that I will not be getting 100% positive results for the GH frag, but I know that people do run normal GH/IGF together, so maybe this will give people an idea as to how the frag is when stacked with igf.
 
Thanks that was the info I was looking for!

I posted on your thread now you post on mine!:stick:
 
Day 1

Weight: 233
BF%: 15.2%

My first injection went smoothly at @5AM this morning. Woke up around 7:45 and felt fine. A little more refreshed, compared to alot of monday mornings. Also took my dose of IGF this morning upon waking. Tonight I'll definitely get my measurements up. Today is an off day (lifting wise) and my cardio today will consist of playing basketball.
 
*note: Im going to try these compounds more for a lean bulk and somewhat for a recomp, than just a plain cut. Im not sure what the others are doing, but I think they are gearing their logs more towards weight/fat loss.

 
Day1: (cont)

Well nothing really to note as the day comes to a close. The only thing to mention, was that while playing basketball I became very hot (hotter than normal). Not sure if this has anything to do with what I'm taking, or if its just coincedence. I'll keep an eye on it during my lifting session tomorrow.
 
Day 2:

Weight: 232.5
BF%: 15%

Today's workout consisted of back and bi's. I noticed alot more veins throughout both of my arms when doing curls, but I think that this is mostly attributed from the igf (similar effects during my last cycle). Overall, my workout went good and seemed pretty energetic throughout. Nothing else to really note so far. I'll definitely get measurements up tonight....I promise :)
 
Here's my measurements:

Forearm:13"
Upper Arm: 15.25"
Thigh:26"
Calf: 16.5"
Waist: 35"
Over bellybutton: 36.5"

Nothing really to note for today. Everything seems to be going smoothly. Also nothing really to note as far as overall feeling of well being, which is sometime experienced with regular HGH.
 
Day3:

Today's workout went really well today (legs). I have had problems in the past with my joints, my knees in general. Today though, they felt really good, and I felt alot more comfortable increasing my weight on squats. Energy levels seemed pretty good throughout the day as well. There was somewhat of a lull later on around 4ish. Dont know if its from the gh or just the fact that I have been so busy.

The only thing really to note is that I have had horrible gas, as well as some stomach discomfort yesterday and again today. I thought yesterday was from the fact that I had a couple of the blazin hot wings from Buffalo Wild Wings, but it was still somewhat there today. I'll keep an eye on it tomorrow and see if it subsides. Hopefully it will, cuz my girlfriend is sick of me stinking up the room! :)
 
idunk42 said:
Day3:



The only thing really to note is that I have had horrible gas, as well as some stomach discomfort yesterday and again today. I thought yesterday was from the fact that I had a couple of the blazin hot wings from Buffalo Wild Wings, but it was still somewhat there today. I'll keep an eye on it tomorrow and see if it subsides. Hopefully it will, cuz my girlfriend is sick of me stinking up the room! :)
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i feel you on this!!
 
At what time of the day are you dosing the fragment, relative to waking / meals / training / bedtime, etc?
 
Grunt76 said:
At what time of the day are you dosing the fragment, relative to waking / meals / training / bedtime, etc?
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I have been dosing in the middle of the night/morning, usually around 5AM everyday. I think Im going to start splitting up the dosages. Once during that time, and then once preworkout.
 
Day4:

Well I decided to pin the frag preworkout, and it didnt work out the way I wanted. I felt like absolute sh1t the entire workout. Very, very lethargic. Im most definitely not going to do this anymore.

Today as a whole was horrible. I had a lot of other BS going on and my diet went to sh1t. There was a time period where I didnt eat for almost 5 hours, so hopefully I'll make up for that the next few days (somehow). But Im spent, and pretty ornery, so its off to bed for this guy.
 
Day5:

I went back to my normal 5AM injection. My chest workout went really well, much better than my shoulder workout the previous day. I'll continue to do the morning inject, instead of the pre-workout injection.

Today went pretty good overall, as it was a cheat day. :) So everything seems that much better when the belt is loosened and the restrictions are lessened. Even though it was a cheat day, I didnt go buck-wild and have a gorge fest. I just ate a few hundred more calories, with a few not so healthy snacks.

The stomach discomfort is still present, but its mostly just bad gas. Not sure if anyone else is experiencing this. I'll have to take a look at the others' logs and see whats been going on with them. Im thinking about adding a small injection (50mcg-100mcg) later on the day, similar to what some do with real GH.

Thats all for Day 5, hopefully I'll start to see some more noticeable effects real quick :).
 
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Day6:

Today was an off day, completely from everything, even my GH injections. Im gonna follow a 5 on 2 off regimen. I still did my normal IGF injection though.

For some reason today I was tired all day. The lethargy was absolutely ridiculous. I have no idea why either. My carb intake wasnt any different than normal. It might just have been the fact that I really didnt do much of anything but lay around pretty much the whole day. I'll keep an eye on this tomorrow and see if its any different.

My weight seems to be going down somewhat. I didnt weigh myself at the usual time (immediately upon waking), and the scale still read that I was down just over 2lbs. Usually later in the day I weigh considerably more than I would in the morning, but I do have pretty big weight fluxes throughout the day or even from one day to the next. So, this probably isnt a real big deal. Im thinking I'll take some measurements in a couple days, just to see if anything is going on, but most likely not.
 
Hey man, is the Frag playing with your water? I've got MAD thirst these last few days myself, it seems to build up on me... :think:
 
Grunt76 said:
Hey man, is the Frag playing with your water? I've got MAD thirst these last few days myself, it seems to build up on me... :think:
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Yeah, I've definitely noticed I have been super thirsty lately. Yesterday I drank over 2 gallons of water. I had bought 2 gallons before going out to parents (just because they have hard water) and I ended up drinking both of them before I left. It really sucks drinking this much, because I definitely am somewhat bloated and having quite a bit of water retention, making it difficult to see if anything is going on in the midsection area. I do have a water direutic that I may use towards the end, just to get rid of some of the excess water weight.
 
Grunt interesting you bring this up because I have been drinking about 1-2 gallons of water everyday and since last week (when I started the frag) I have actually gained 5 pounds on a cutting diet that I have previously been losing a 1/2 inch from my waist per week on!!!!!!!!! I can only believe it is water.

Mr.50
 
Day7:

The water problem didnt seem as big of an issue today. Its still more prominent than before I started the frag though. I decided to go and pin the frag today, even though I was gonna do it 5 on 2 off. My pinning will probably be more of a 3 on 1 off 2 on 1 off combo of something like that. I'll be pinning geared towards my workouts basically. I pinned at my normal AM time, and my workout went ok, no lethargy, such as when I pinned pre-workout.

There was some lethargy later on in the day. I have experienced this pretty much every day since being on the frag. I didnt weigh in today, so I'll have to make sure I do tomorrow morning.
 
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Day8:

Weight: 234

Ok, so now Im actually up on weight. Its hard to tell if this is water weight or what. In all likelihood it is, although today I felt alot less bloated and it seems like the water retention may be going down somewhat.

Overall, today's workout went pretty good. The hardest part was getting my azz to the gym today. :) I wasnt motivated to go at all today, but once I was there I was all business.

So far its pretty interesting with the combination of things that both chemicals (igf/gh) are making my body do. The igf is making me hungry constantly and the gh is making me so f-ing thirsty all the time. It seems like there is never a time during the day when Im not putting something in my mouth.

Well hopefully one of these days I'll do some re-measuring, just to see if anythings going on. Im sure there hasnt been any altercations in my legs or arms, and the results of my waist might be a little skewed, just for the simple fact that I have been retaining quite a bit of water.
 
Day9:

Well today was pretty much horsesh1t. Today I was gonna do shoulders, but after trying to warm up with some light military dumbells, I came to the conclusion that my rotator cuff is pretty ****ed from playing softball. Yeah, Im pretty much a tard and acting like a moron and threw my arm out. Not too big of a deal. I just cant do any military or side lat raises. Also no heavy benching and I'll have to be very cautious when doing incline or regular bench. But oh well, Im over it. :)

But, anywho......the water retention seems to be a bit down and I dont feel as thirsty throughout the day. Still holding a little water, so not too sure if the frag is doing its magic or not. Not too much else to report for today.
 
Injuries suck. I've had to deal with the RC more than once. Try increasing TUT a lot and dropping the weights way down. You'd be amazed at how good a workout you can get with a relatively light weight.

Also, check this out: Invalid Link Removed

It is from DC's site. worked for me, Glen, and Old Fart (haven't seen him in a while). I still do this once or twice/week, just to maintain. If I start to feel a bit of pain, this usually takes care of it immediately.

Warning: it sucks to do :rasp:
 
Beowulf said:
Injuries suck. I've had to deal with the RC more than once. Try increasing TUT a lot and dropping the weights way down. You'd be amazed at how good a workout you can get with a relatively light weight.

Also, check this out: Invalid Link Removed

It is from DC's site. worked for me, Glen, and Old Fart (haven't seen him in a while). I still do this once or twice/week, just to maintain. If I start to feel a bit of pain, this usually takes care of it immediately.

Warning: it sucks to do :rasp:
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Thanks for the link man. I'll definitely give that a try.

Yeah, I actually did what you proposed with the TUT for the remainder of my workout. I'll probably take a few weeks off from heavy shoulder lifts, and take it a little easy on the incline and whatnot.
 
Day10:

Today was an off day, so not a whole lot to report. Usually on non-workout days, I have sense to be much more lethargic, but today wasnt too bad. I actually was somewhat refreshed throughout the day. Im definitely not as thirsty as I have been earlier while on the frag.

Still not seeing too much as far as results, but really not expecting to see that much this early on. Also, it seems as though the water and bloat are still prominent, so it makes it somewhat difficult to tell.

Im looking forward to tomorrow's workout, after this wonderful day off. Workouts this weekend might end up being horsesh1t though, because finals are coming up and I have a ton of crap to do for school. So hopefully I'll get this stuff done and be done with it. :)

Im still meaning to do some remeasurements, so I think I'll wait for the 2 week mark to do that. Thats all for tonight. :thumbsup:
 
idunk42 said:
Day10:

Today was an off day, so not a whole lot to report. Usually on non-workout days, I have sense to be much more lethargic, but today wasnt too bad. I actually was somewhat refreshed throughout the day. Im definitely not as thirsty as I have been earlier while on the frag.

Still not seeing too much as far as results, but really not expecting to see that much this early on. Also, it seems as though the water and bloat are still prominent, so it makes it somewhat difficult to tell.

Im looking forward to tomorrow's workout, after this wonderful day off. Workouts this weekend might end up being horsesh1t though, because finals are coming up and I have a ton of crap to do for school. So hopefully I'll get this stuff done and be done with it. :)

Im still meaning to do some remeasurements, so I think I'll wait for the 2 week mark to do that. Thats all for tonight. :thumbsup:
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I think you may end up seeing the best results after ending dosing and so would be great to see progress for a few days/week after you end the frag and for you to do measurmenets hten.

Keep up the great log
 
The Godfather said:
I think you may end up seeing the best results after ending dosing and so would be great to see progress for a few days/week after you end the frag and for you to do measurmenets hten.

Keep up the great log
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Yeah, thats what I was thinking as well. I'll make sure I wait a few days after dosing to see the true results. I'll either do that or I might just take a water diruetic the last couple of days and see how that goes. I'll figure it out when it gets to that point. :)
 
Day11:

Well just when I thought the bloat was starting to subside, WHAM, comes back in full effect! Today is the worst its been since being on the fragment. Dont know what the deal is but the bloating and gas is down right ridiculous. Its actually making my stomach hurt quite a bit.

Workout went good, even though my shoulder is still pretty sore. It was ok though, I was able to work around it and take the advice of Beo and just increasing the TUT a bit and dropping the weight. Got a pretty good stretch of the muscles, so I was pleased in that department, making today not a total disappointment.

Well thats it for today, cuz I think I might have to find myself some good porcellan to make a deposit. :D
 
Day12:

Nothing really to report today. I worked out legs, and knees and my other leg joints are still feeling better than they have in the past, so I got that going for me. :)

The bloat is still lingering around, making it somewhat frustrating to see if the frag is really doing anything. Hopefully its doing its magic though. :D
Other than that, not much else. Tomorrow's an off day, so its gonna be a long and boring day.
 
idunk42 said:
Day12:

Nothing really to report today. I worked out legs, and knees and my other leg joints are still feeling better than they have in the past, so I got that going for me. :)

The bloat is still lingering around, making it somewhat frustrating to see if the frag is really doing anything. Hopefully its doing its magic though. :D
Other than that, not much else. Tomorrow's an off day, so its gonna be a long and boring day.
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Well there is some talk that AOD9604 could be helpful in the bone area. Metabolic are considering developing it for osteoporisis. Here's a quick link:

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The Godfather said:
Well there is some talk that AOD9604 could be helpful in the bone area. Metabolic are considering developing it for osteoporisis. Here's a quick link:

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Thanks for the link, Godfather. :thumbsup: I'll definitely take a look at it today.
 
idunk42 said:
Day12:

Nothing really to report today. I worked out legs, and knees and my other leg joints are still feeling better than they have in the past, so I got that going for me. :)
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I'm very interested in the joint improvement aspect. Got plenty of issues with mine at 46 yrs old. Ironically, I'm doing 2-3 ius brown top gh (been about two months) and my joints are worse. I always thought gh was supposed to improve them. I've got aflutop coming so hopefully that would help. My main goals are body recomp/overall health bennies so perhaps the fragment might be a better choice than regular gh?
 
SD1959 said:
I'm very interested in the joint improvement aspect. Got plenty of issues with mine at 46 yrs old. Ironically, I'm doing 2-3 ius brown top gh (been about two months) and my joints are worse. I always thought gh was supposed to improve them. I've got aflutop coming so hopefully that would help. My main goals are body recomp/overall health bennies so perhaps the fragment might be a better choice than regular gh?
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Well I have never taken real GH, so I dont know what the effects of that are like. I have had many a basketball injury through high school and college, thus giving me alot of different aches and pains throughout my lower region. I have had bad tendinitis in my knees, shin splints, stress fracuture in foot, etc. and squats and some other leg lifts have become difficult the last year and a half. Now, I also have to mention, that last year was my last year playing competitive sports, so that plays into my healing process as well. It could be the frag, or it just could possibly be the fact that I havent been being thouroughly abused day in, and day out, for the reason that my legs joints and past injuries feel better than they have ever felt before. So, I really cant give you an exact answer, because I really dont know the reason why my legs, in general, feel better than they have in a long time.
 
how are you doing as far as fat loss.

are you doing sub q? im curious as to seeing if this would help with stubborn belly fat
 
I-Vtec said:
how are you doing as far as fat loss.

are you doing sub q? im curious as to seeing if this would help with stubborn belly fat
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Yes Im doing it sub-q. As far as weight loss so far, its been very minimal. Its hard to tell if its really effecting localized fat, because there is a significant amount of water retention from myself, as well as the others who are testing it. We really wont know for sure if its working for at least another week or so, if the water bloat starts go go down.
 
I see, ill be watching

my main concern isnt weight loss but fat loss.

i know it doesnt make sense but id rather lose the bodyfat and gain the muscle like everyone im not trying to drop alot of weight i just wanna shed this stubborn ab fat
 
I-Vtec said:
I see, ill be watching

my main concern isnt weight loss but fat loss.

i know it doesnt make sense but id rather lose the bodyfat and gain the muscle like everyone im not trying to drop alot of weight i just wanna shed this stubborn ab fat
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yeah, i totally understand what your saying. Thats what I was hoping for as well. :D I know that real GH is supposed to help lose bodyfat while retaining muscle mass, but we'll have to see how it goes with the Frag.
 
Day13:

Well today was supposed to be an off day, but turned out I ended busting my azz just as much as I would have in the weight room. :D My girl just moved into a new place, so all you guys know what that means.....:twisted: :nutkick: Yeah, I was basically the one in charge of moving all the sh1t in! Its not that big of a deal, but the simple fact that she decided to buy a couch before actually measuring to see if it would fit through her hallway/doorway. Yeah, so the whole process of moving one couch, with a queen sized sleeper in it, took about 45 minutes to finally get it in her damn apartment! So it was very eventfu: we broke a light in the hallway, had to ask her neighbor to open her door, and her step dad almost had a heart attack. And now for the best part: My shoulder is now officially shot to sh!t, even worse than it was before. Im prolly gonna have to go to the doc in the next few days, but its gonna be near impossible, since I have finals this week and two papers due. So for the next few days, There will be pretty much no upper body activities for me. So its gonna just be cardio and legs and abs.

On a side note: nothing to report as far as the frag goes. :(
 
Day14:

Today was an overall pretty good day. I didnt get as much accomplished school wise, but Im over it. :D

I was gonna take another off day today, but it was killing me just sitting around, so I did some cardio in the morning.

I went hog wild and ate a ton of chinese food, so I forced myself to go to the gym and at least get somewhat of a workout in, while attempting to work around my fvcked up shoulder. I did some real light dumbells on the flat bench and surprisingly there was no pain. I got a few other things in, and finished off with some inclined walking on the treadmill. It definitely felt good to actually have done something, instead of just lounging around. :)

I was meaning to do some measurements today, but I had to wake up a little earlier than normal, and I wanted to make sure I take measurements the same time as I did before (right upon waking). So, I'll for sure get those up tomorrow.
 
Are you going to use something for that shoulder bro?

I'd suggest devil's claw root to kill the inflamation, then chondroitin, celadrin and cissus, and then pinning IGF1... :D
 
Grunt76 said:
Are you going to use something for that shoulder bro?

I'd suggest devil's claw root to kill the inflamation, then chondroitin, celadrin and cissus, and then pinning IGF1... :D
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Yeah, I have been looking into a few different things, but just been a little busy with finals all this week, so its probably not a bad thing that I wont be able to hit the gym as often. I was actually looking into getting some aflutop, but im just waiting for my guy to get it in.
 
Day15:

Nothing to report as of today. Im busy as hell, but I still found some time to get in 30 minutes of cardio. I actually pinned before, and wasnt as lethargic as I was when I previously pinned preworkout. Still plan on getting some measurements up, but it might have to wait until tonight or tomorrow.
 
Day16:

Nothing to report for today. Off day :( Seems like these keep happening more often than usual.

Day17:

Well after reading Godfather's post, I decided to give pinning preworkout another chance, and Im glad I did. I didnt feel like working out whatsoever, but once I got going, it was an awesome workout! :D So, from now on I'll probably pin a smaller dosage in the morning, and the another one preworkout.
 
Day18:

Pinned preworkout again, but for some reason I couldnt get going like I did yesterday. Not real sure why this was, but might have to do with being finals week and I got alot of other **** going on.

Still got some water bloat going on. Nothing really else to report.
 
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