Unanswered I think my E is low

Brain5ick

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So I’m on 200mg test a week, 1.25mg of adex spread out through the week and 12 pumps of Androhard a day with 250units of HCG eod. Been feeling tired, anxious, lethargic, joints feel like hell, still getting hard and all, no complaints from the old lady. Having a really hard time staying hydrated as well.
Guessing this is a low E issue? I cut out my .25mg of adex today and did a shot of HCG but I’m soooooo tired I could just lay on the floor and sleep for hours. The anxiety sucks, got that short of breathe feeling from it.
I’m at 168lbs and have substantially less fat on me and I’ve heard I could need less adex for the less fat I have due to the aromatase enzyme and how e binds to fat. Any truth to this?
 
Brain5ick said:
So I’m on 200mg test a week, 1.25mg of adex spread out through the week and 12 pumps of Androhard a day with 250units of HCG eod. Been feeling tired, anxious, lethargic, joints feel like hell, still getting hard and all, no complaints from the old lady. Having a really hard time staying hydrated as well.
Guessing this is a low E issue? I cut out my .25mg of adex today and did a shot of HCG but I’m soooooo tired I could just lay on the floor and sleep for hours. The anxiety sucks, got that short of breathe feeling from it.
I’m at 168lbs and have substantially less fat on me and I’ve heard I could need less adex for the less fat I have due to the aromatase enzyme and how e binds to fat. Any truth to this?
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Yep, it sounds like you sunk your Estrogen.
How long have you been doing 12 pumps of Androhard?
 
Renew1 said:
Yep, it sounds like you sunk your Estrogen.
How long have you been doing 12 pumps of Androhard?
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3-4 weeks. Did a cycle of it but I was on and off due to injuries so it was nice but wasn’t the best. I’m back on now.
 
Renew1 said:
Yep, it sounds like you sunk your Estrogen.
How long have you been doing 12 pumps of Androhard?
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Also, when lifting I’m fine but during the day my muscles feel weak as hell. Like walking is almost a chore because my legs are so tired. How much should I drop my AI? Should I shoot a little more test to boost aromatization?
 
Sounds like me when I started TRT. after a few bloods I realized I only needed an AI if I went over 250mg. Even 0.25mg e3d had my E low. Really not saying this is particularly standard but I’d get bloods and adjust your AI if needed
 
Brain5ick said:
Also, when lifting I’m fine but during the day my muscles feel weak as hell. Like walking is almost a chore because my legs are so tired. How much should I drop my AI? Should I shoot a little more test to boost aromatization?
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Yeah you COULD pin a little extra Test this once, and skip the AI for a few days.
After that, I would try cutting it by AT LEAST 50%.
 
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Keep in mind... If you change your Androhard usage, it will likely affect the amount of AI you'll need.
 
Stop that a adex and try .25 day of injection. Crashed e2 is painfully. Do u have muscle aches and joint pain.?
 
Brain5ick said:
Muscle aches and joint pain in hands/knees/shoulders.
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Sounds about right. Id add Proviron or masterone and ditch the adex. You k ow hcg250 maybe too much ...I use 150 e3d and my balls stay full.
But for sure that adex dose is insane.
My first test 500 dbol cycle I did 1mg every shot and was miserable.
 
Brain5ick said:
Muscle aches and joint pain in hands/knees/shoulders.
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Sounds about right. Id add Proviron or masterone and ditch the adex. You k ow hcg250 maybe too much ...I use 150 e3d and my balls stay full.
But for sure that adex dose is insane.
My first test 500 dbol cycle I did 1mg every shot and was miserable.
 
Cgkone said:
Sounds about right. Id add Proviron or masterone and ditch the adex. You k ow hcg250 maybe too much ...I use 150 e3d and my balls stay full.
But for sure that adex dose is insane.
My first test 500 dbol cycle I did 1mg every shot and was miserable.
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I tend to aromatize more or at least I did. I’m leaner now, things feel different. I also felt better at 15-20pg for my estrogen so I didn’t have much room for it to lower. How safe is it to run mast year round?
 
Brain5ick said:
I tend to aromatize more or at least I did. I’m leaner now, things feel different. I also felt better at 15-20pg for my estrogen so I didn’t have much room for it to lower. How safe is it to run mast year round?
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I wouldn't run Masteron year round.
 
I would run mast, then Proviron then maybe some epiandro.
Mast 6-8 weeks. Proviron much longer.
 
Any Ai at 200mg is most probably redundant. Have you just started trt? It's weird that you don't have this dialled in with your endo!

I don't need an ai at such low dosages. Most probably don't. But it does depend on where you want to keep your estrogen. If at 15-20 then maybe yes if at 25 - 35 then most probably not.
 
Jinsun said:
Any Ai at 200mg is most probably redundant. Have you just started trt? It's weird that you don't have this dialled in with your endo!

I don't need an ai at such low dosages. Most probably don't. But it does depend on where you want to keep your estrogen. If at 15-20 then maybe yes if at 25 - 35 then most probably not.
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When I first started if I didn’t take an AI I’d be around 80pg. Had to take one unfortunately.
 
Brain5ick said:
When I first started if I didn’t take an AI I’d be around 80pg. Had to take one unfortunately.
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Based on your high aromatization rate, what you're currently taking, and how you currently feel, I made you a recommendation yesterday. Keep that in mind.
 
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