I noticed all the supplement companies have switched their stims to 2-aminoisoheptane HCL. Does anyone still sell fat burners/stims with 1,3DMAA/DMHA?

StarScream66

StarScream66

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Amp citrate is not that great of a stimulant. Is anyone still selling anything with DMHA or 1,3DMAA? I stocked up on HT's Jacked and BCAA + DMAA formula, but now they're hard as rocks and I can't use them :(
 
im sure there are still pre's out there with dmaa .. and im sure they aren't complaint with fda/gmp rules as well.

im not into those so cant name any top of my head.

If you are a stim junkie and want to try something besides dmaa.. look into sns thermagize .. was too strong for me but those who can handle it loves the stuff.
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
im sure there are still pre's out there with dmaa .. and im sure they aren't complaint with fda/gmp rules as well.

im not into those so cant name any top of my head.

If you are a stim junkie and want to try something besides dmaa.. look into sns thermagize .. was too strong for me but those who can handle it loves the stuff.
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It doesn't really look that impressive. It has like 3 different kinds of caffeine and Invalid Link Removed.
 
Yup .. i have heard good things about dark energy for what you might be looking for ( if want a pre)

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or aggressive labs leatherfaze
 
StarScream66 said:
It doesn't really look that impressive. It has like 3 different kinds of caffeine and Invalid Link Removed.
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That is rather oversimplifying it. Thermagize XT is probably the strongest of the fully compliant products you will find. Dual sources Caffeine (for big hit then sustained feel), huge Dynamine and Teacrine dosage, Higenamine and Alpha-Y provide a pretty wide range of stimulants. If stimulated fat burning is your goal if that doesn't work you probably need a break (or different expectation from stimulants).

I am probably in the minority that think those old stim burners weren't that helpful other than if you just want to feel cracked out.

For other options currently available MA Labs Stim Freak gives Eria J and DMHA with Caffeine if that is your preference. Otherwise it is trying to find things that are probably being cleared out of inventory next.
 
There’s a new pre coming out from Swift Stims and looks like it’s going to be a hard hitter. It is going to include DMHA
 
StarScream66 said:
Who makes Dark Energy? No, haven't tried putting them in a blender. Good idea, I'll try that.
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On YouTube look up the pre workout reviewer "fitness deal news"; he reviews all the stim junkie pre workouts, including dmha and dmaa pre workouts.
 
Resolve10 said:
It got redone and doesn't now so they could sell at bb.com I believe. It is one of the options you "may" be able to search around and find stock of the old one some places...
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Well that sucks. Guess I will not bother buying any.
Yeah used to have this.
Experts warn that 2-aminoisoheptane is another name for the banned stimulant DMAA
 
ValiantThor08 said:
On YouTube look up the pre workout reviewer "fitness deal news"; he reviews all the stim junkie pre workouts, including dmha and dmaa pre workouts.
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Lol that’s where I learned it from

He’s a super stim junkie himself .. so anything he likes I don’t like lol
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Yeah, the man can take 600mg caffeine at one time. No thank you.
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Then reviews focus XT and said it wasn’t a hard hitting pre

All you would is facepalm to that lol
 
thehogsters said:
Experts warn that 2-aminoisoheptane is another name for the banned stimulant DMAA
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I'm pretty sure that's not correct. I think it's AMP Citrate. But according to wikipedia AMP is Invalid Link Removed

2-aminoisoheptane shares a similar structure to the nasal decongestant drug Invalid Link Removed

Where does 2-aminoisoheptane come from?
According to one of the supplement company’s who pioneered its use, 2-aminoisoheptane is produced from a natural plant extract derived from Aconitum Kusnezoffii. Most plants of the Aconitum species are highly toxic, and their poisons are often used for hunting. However, there is little research suggesting that 2-aminoisoheptane naturally exists in this species of plant. As such, we believe that most instances where this ingredient occurs utilises a synthetic version of the compound.
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GQdaLEGEND said:
Then reviews focus XT and said it wasn’t a hard hitting pre

All you would is facepalm to that lol
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He doesn't take 600mg caffeine pre's everyday and he rotates them everyday so he could
take one with 300 the next day with different stimulants so he doesn't get tolerant to the same
stimulants or caffeine amount. When he says Focus XT isn't hard hitting he's right cause it's a
focus supplement not a PW and I've never tried the newer versions but the older ones I use to
turn them into pre's by adding other stimulants cause it wasn't hard hitting and I'm not a stim junkie
but I can handle a strong stimulant.
 
So, I bought some Dark Energy and it's pretty wild. It says on the bottle it's a "research chemical and not for human consumption" which is hilarious. I don't know how they get away with selling it like that.

I also watched the Fitness News dude on YT, he talks about one preworkout called IMPERIAL NUTRITION EXCELSIOR and he thinks it must be spiked with some kind of amphetamine or amphetamine analog that's not listed on the label, like the old CRAZE fiasco. I might give it a try just for kicks.

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But I was also wondering if there are any fat burners out there with the stims still in them. If anyone knows or can recommend one, let me know. I had an old bottle of Condemned ARSYN and it had DMHA and Noopept in it. I noticed they still sell it, but they took the Noopept out. But I bought some Noopept from Nootropics Depot and it feels great with DMHA and seems to have a synergistic effect for energy.
 
The FDA has also been issuing warning letters for the use of DMHA...no cGMP manufacturer will touch it.

Frankly, this need for meth like preworkouts is troubling! Stimulants are bad for performance and generally toxic in significant doses. I may recommend trying some Alpha P5 or Neuro P5 (topical prenenolone) for a little while while you back off stims...the P5 really helps!
 
delsolrob said:
The FDA has also been issuing warning letters for the use of DMHA...no cGMP manufacturer will touch it.

Frankly, this need for meth like preworkouts is troubling! Stimulants are bad for performance and generally toxic in significant doses. I may recommend trying some Alpha P5 or Neuro P5 (topical prenenolone) for a little while while you back off stims...the P5 really helps!
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I tend to a agree. In fact I've seen information showing that once you come off the stimulants, you can have a rebound effect and your fat stores will go back to the way they were.

However, I think if they're used in moderation, like when days you didn't sleep well or need an extra boost to get through a harsh session, they can be benefical.

I actually tried pregenolone after I read it was being prescribed as a drug for loneliness. It was also put on the market for mothers with PPD and it is having great cures for that. Unfortunately, I didn't notice any positive effects.
 
StarScream66 said:
So, I bought some Dark Energy and it's pretty wild. It says on the bottle it's a "research chemical and not for human consumption" which is hilarious. I don't know how they get away with selling it like that.
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if it has DMAA .. that means its not being produced in a GMP facility ..so yea they should be putting that on the label to save themselves.
 
Tried Excelsior. Amazing, too much as a pre for me. Maybe half scooped it for chest or arms. Ended up using it as a general stimulant. Would take it when I arrived at work and would still be buzzing mid afternoon.
 
StarScream66 said:
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Amp citrate is not that great of a stimulant. Is anyone still selling anything with DMHA or 1,3DMAA? I stocked up on HT's Jacked and BCAA + DMAA formula, but now they're hard as rocks and I can't use them :(
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Throw it the blender and after it’s ground up, put it back in the container with a lot of silica packets.
 
Any of y'all tried Broken Arrow by Repp sports?
Holy fucking ****! This is an amazing product. Best pre with sustained energy and feel good mentality I have ever tried.
 
thehogsters said:
Any of y'all tried Broken Arrow by Repp sports?
Holy fucking ****! This is an amazing product. Best pre with sustained energy and feel good mentality I have ever tried.
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Doesn't have anything that stands out to me, looks decent but probably a little low on doses for some things. Stim wise probably a decent kick.
 
Resolve10 said:
Doesn't have anything that stands out to me, looks decent but probably a little low on doses for some things. Stim wise probably a decent kick.
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Well IMO it's better than Arez and that's a great pre.
Try the sample pack, I only paid $8.95 for shipping and I got 10 free samples. The stuff really blew me away. The sour worms taste amazing.
 
StarScream66 said:
So, I bought some Dark Energy and it's pretty wild. It says on the bottle it's a "research chemical and not for human consumption" which is hilarious. I don't know how they get away with selling it like that.

I also watched the Fitness News dude on YT, he talks about one preworkout called IMPERIAL NUTRITION EXCELSIOR and he thinks it must be spiked with some kind of amphetamine or amphetamine analog that's not listed on the label, like the old CRAZE fiasco. I might give it a try just for kicks.

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But I was also wondering if there are any fat burners out there with the stims still in them. If anyone knows or can recommend one, let me know. I had an old bottle of Condemned ARSYN and it had DMHA and Noopept in it. I noticed they still sell it, but they took the Noopept out. But I bought some Noopept from Nootropics Depot and it feels great with DMHA and seems to have a synergistic effect for energy.
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@StarScream66 Did you ever end up ordering a tub of Excelsior? I've been hearing a lot of good things about it being uniquely "powerful" in a manner similar to the old Craze. I want to buy a tub of it, but when I searched for it on Google a while back, it seemed like it could only be purchased from UK-based retailers and was really expensive. Curious to hear what you thought about it if you've tried it.
 
SpicedCider said:
@StarScream66 Did you ever end up ordering a tub of Excelsior? I've been hearing a lot of good things about it being uniquely "powerful" in a manner similar to the old Craze. I want to buy a tub of it, but when I searched for it on Google a while back, it seemed like it could only be purchased from UK-based retailers and was really expensive. Curious to hear what you thought about it if you've tried it.
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Just a FYI its very accessible in the US now, multiple US based retailers sell it.
 
Isn't one of the board sponsors selling liquid DMAA?
75mg/ml at 30ml. MA is.

Add your own to your test animal's Pre.
 
wait wut... amp citrate is the best stimulant I have tried : ) LOVE IT , long lasting energy no crash feels good on it.
 
SpicedCider said:
Thanks, do you know if any of them are offering samples? Would prefer to try a sample or two before buying a whole tub, if possible
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I agree with ELROCK, I have not seen samples of this available anywhere. There are a slew of reviews out there tho, should give a pretty good idea what you are in for
 
SpicedCider said:
@StarScream66 Did you ever end up ordering a tub of Excelsior? I've been hearing a lot of good things about it being uniquely "powerful" in a manner similar to the old Craze. I want to buy a tub of it, but when I searched for it on Google a while back, it seemed like it could only be purchased from UK-based retailers and was really expensive. Curious to hear what you thought about it if you've tried it.
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I ordered some, but the order got cancelled for some reason. I emailed the vendor to find out what the problem is.


justhere4comm said:
Isn't one of the board sponsors selling liquid DMAA?
75mg/ml at 30ml. MA is.

Add your own to your test animal's Pre.
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That's a high dose!

mastah said:
wait wut... amp citrate is the best stimulant I have tried : ) LOVE IT , long lasting energy no crash feels good on it.
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Where do you get it, if you don't mind me asking?
 
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