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I need a caffiene free supp that is going to fill me with rage!!!!! please

You ain't lying about that. I would kill to have your goody bag right now!!
 
Big FYI,

I contacted IDS.. as it turns out, their product "17-Hydroxy-Mesterone" does indeed contain caffeine.. My guess is that they hide it behind their Mesterone Complex bs.. What a shady company :nono:
 
Big FYI,

I contacted IDS.. as it turns out, their product "17-Hydroxy-Mesterone" does indeed contain caffeine.. My guess is that they hide it behind their Mesterone Complex bs.. What a shady company :nono:

How lame. It seems like they just put caffeine in it so the user with "feel" something. It's cheap and it works.
 
Big FYI,

I contacted IDS.. as it turns out, their product "17-Hydroxy-Mesterone" does indeed contain caffeine.. My guess is that they hide it behind their Mesterone Complex bs.. What a shady company :nono:

this is true, as does 17hd, they both hide caffeine in their proprietary blends... some newer 17hd bottles actually list caffeine in the small print that explains-breaks down the blend.
 
Thank's for the compliment.
But age does not matter.
And yes, they will make you feel that way.
They up the hormones that cause that.
Which is why only the strong minded should use them (including all the other factors of course)
If you can't control your emotions you should stay away from them.


Hey I think you have some good points however you are being a little too altruistic with your "strong mind" statements over and over. and I agree that roid rage as perpetuated by the media is false- however there is no denying the effect of certain chemicals on the mood etc. There are many herbs, nutrients, and obviously hormones that can alter, intesify, promote, or allow for certain moods and states of being- like agressiveness, euphoria, calmness, alertness, etc. They do this thru many different pathways that are still being discovered- so for you to continue your "it's all in your head" rhetoric is abrasive and really not at all helpful. If you have an idea, opinion, or statement by all means express it but use some tact so that it contributes to the flow of ideas. You just seemed like you read the MD mag article not too long ago about roid rage being studied and now you know it all?? come on buddy- We all have a lot to learn...
 
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