I am a mess, suggestions welcome

cowzrul

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After reading many things on the internet I have come to the realization I need new doctors. Way to many red flags. I have been very religious in following doctors orders trying to iron out this low T. Don’t smoke or drink and eat semi-healthy. I ran long distance from 85 to 06 during my time in the Corps. Haven’t done as much cardio since retirement but did increase free weights exponentially until Mar 2010.

Jan 6th, 2010
- Lack of energy, grumpy/irriatable
- Not ED but soft erections
- Could hardly stay awake past 9pm
- Loss of memory
Blood Work Results:
• Total Testosterone - 226
• CBC – all normal except eosinophils 26.8
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel – all normal
• Lipid Profile – all normal
• PSA – 0.62
• CRP – 7.78 (really high but after 1 year of tests heart dr said I was fine)
• Vitamin D – 23 (I don’t drink milk)
BELOW NOT TESTED
• Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA “Free and Loosely Bound”)
• Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)
• SHBG
• DHT (perhaps)
• Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• Prolactin
• Cortisol
• Thyroid Panel

Jan 16th, 2010
- Started 5g of Androgel on upper arms and shoulders after shower

Feb 17th, 2010
- Called PCP due to symptoms returning
- Felt great for first month, all above symptoms gone
- Libido was never bad but during first month I was an animal

Mar 1st, 2010
- Had been working out with Personal Trainer at Fitness Together. Energy depleted so I couldn’t continue.

Mar 11th, 2010
- 2nd blood work
- Started 10g Androgel after PCP rcvd results
- PCP said 3 months would stablize
Blood Work Results
• Total Testosterone - 112
• PSA – 0.73

Jul 1st, 2010
- 3rd blood work
- PCP referred me to endo
- Never felt as good as I did in January
Blood Work Results:
• Total Testosterone - 184
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel – all normal
• Lipid Profile – all normal

Aug 3rd, 2010
- Saw endo for initial visit
- took me off TRT for 30 days to find base

Aug 9th, 2010
- quality of life horrible
- had endo do labs for base line
- endo wanted me to stop applying Androgel on upper arms and shoulders
- said to apply in low light conditions and on abdomen only
Blood Work Results:
• Total Testosterone - 138
• Prolactin – 4.9

Jan 10th, 2011
- Endo had labs done
- Stated he wanted me on injections
Blood Work Results:
• Total Testosterone - 73
• Free Testosterone - 16

Jan 19th, 2011
- first shot of 200mg test cyp in buttocks

Jan 26th, 2011
- tired, irritable, first time low sex drive

Feb 3rd, 2011
- New PCP
- New PCP disagreed with endo
- Changed injections to 100mg weekly
- 2nd shot of 100mg text cyp
- refused to test Estradiol or administer shot in quad

My medicine cabinet is a mini-pharmacy for Androgel and Test CYP. I was about to start 5g Andro in addition to my shots but realized after reading here I might be doing more harm then good since I might have other issues going on besides just low T.
 
i cant help you but im sure matrix will chime in soon enough. hang in there bro
 
Your Vitamin D is way too low. You need to get it up at least in the 50s. I'll leave the rest to the experts. Good luck!
 
cowzrul said:
After reading many things on the internet I have come to the realization I need new doctors. Way to many red flags. I have been very religious in following doctors orders trying to iron out this low T. Don’t smoke or drink and eat semi-healthy. I ran long distance from 85 to 06 during my time in the Corps. Haven’t done as much cardio since retirement but did increase free weights exponentially until Mar 2010.

Jan 6th, 2010
- Lack of energy, grumpy/irriatable
- Not ED but soft erections
- Could hardly stay awake past 9pm
- Loss of memory
Blood Work Results:
• Total Testosterone - 226
• CBC – all normal except eosinophils 26.8
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel – all normal
• Lipid Profile – all normal
• PSA – 0.62
• CRP – 7.78 (really high but after 1 year of tests heart dr said I was fine)
• Vitamin D – 23 (I don’t drink milk)
BELOW NOT TESTED
• Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA “Free and Loosely Bound”)
• Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)
• SHBG
• DHT (perhaps)
• Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• Prolactin
• Cortisol
• Thyroid Panel

Jan 16th, 2010
- Started 5g of Androgel on upper arms and shoulders after shower

Feb 17th, 2010
- Called PCP due to symptoms returning
- Felt great for first month, all above symptoms gone
- Libido was never bad but during first month I was an animal

Mar 1st, 2010
- Had been working out with Personal Trainer at Fitness Together. Energy depleted so I couldn’t continue.

Mar 11th, 2010
- 2nd blood work
- Started 10g Androgel after PCP rcvd results
- PCP said 3 months would stablize
Blood Work Results
• Total Testosterone - 112
• PSA – 0.73

Jul 1st, 2010
- 3rd blood work
- PCP referred me to endo
- Never felt as good as I did in January
Blood Work Results:
• Total Testosterone - 184
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel – all normal
• Lipid Profile – all normal

Aug 3rd, 2010
- Saw endo for initial visit
- took me off TRT for 30 days to find base

Aug 9th, 2010
- quality of life horrible
- had endo do labs for base line
- endo wanted me to stop applying Androgel on upper arms and shoulders
- said to apply in low light conditions and on abdomen only
Blood Work Results:
• Total Testosterone - 138
• Prolactin – 4.9

Jan 10th, 2011
- Endo had labs done
- Stated he wanted me on injections
Blood Work Results:
• Total Testosterone - 73
• Free Testosterone - 16

Jan 19th, 2011
- first shot of 200mg test cyp in buttocks

Jan 26th, 2011
- tired, irritable, first time low sex drive

Feb 3rd, 2011
- New PCP
- New PCP disagreed with endo
- Changed injections to 100mg weekly
- 2nd shot of 100mg text cyp
- refused to test Estradiol or administer shot in quad

My medicine cabinet is a mini-pharmacy for Androgel and Test CYP. I was about to start 5g Andro in addition to my shots but realized after reading here I might be doing more harm then good since I might have other issues going on besides just low T.
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Where are you currently located I be glad to recommend a good dr in your area that is competent unlike most. Obviously your dr is a moron and does not know nothing about TRT so please state location and be glad to make recommendation via pm not to violate rules. I am in process of working with several dr's across the US to get men the proper care they deserve..

You have major information going on which needs to be dealt with pronot.
I need to see the data in a more detailed view such as in order for me to help identify where the imbalances are

example
calicium 9.9 ( 8.5-10.2)
 
I am in OKC. From the sticky in this section I found some of these. I don't know if they take Tricare so that will be a few phone calls.


Dr. Scott Dycus, DO
320 North Service Rd
Moore, OK 73160
Donna Rainey
320 North Service Rd
Moore, OK 73160
Dr. David Seitsinger, DO
320 North Service Rd
Moore, OK 73160
Dr. Renee Roy, MD
10002 SE 15th
MWC, OK 73130
Dr. Angelique Barreto
9100 N. May
Oklahoma City, OK 73120
Dr. Paul Donat, MD
11000 Hefner Point Drive
Oklahoma City, OK 73120
Dr. Carl Griffin, MD
4334 NW. Expway,
Oklahoma City, OK 73116
Dr. Ronald Painton, MD
5401 North Portland,
Oklahoma City, OK 73112
Dr. Shawn Schlinke, MD
5252 North Meridian, Oklahoma City, OK 73112
Charles D. Taylor, MD 4409 North Classen Boulevard, Oklahoma City, OK 73118
Dr. David Rothwell 6307 Waterford Blvd., Oklahoma City, OK 73118
James W. Hogan, DO 937 SW 89th St, Oklahoma City, OK 73139-9231
Robert White, ND, PhD, PA 817 SW 89th St, Oklahoma City, OK 73139-9361
 
Tricare is common in military asi had patient that had this before. If you wish pm me I maybe to help

cowzrul said:
I am in OKC. From the sticky in this section I found some of these. I don't know if they take Tricare so that will be a few phone calls.


Dr. Scott Dycus, DO
320 North Service Rd
Moore, OK 73160
Donna Rainey
320 North Service Rd
Moore, OK 73160
Dr. David Seitsinger, DO
320 North Service Rd
Moore, OK 73160
Dr. Renee Roy, MD
10002 SE 15th
MWC, OK 73130
Dr. Angelique Barreto
9100 N. May
Oklahoma City, OK 73120
Dr. Paul Donat, MD
11000 Hefner Point Drive
Oklahoma City, OK 73120
Dr. Carl Griffin, MD
4334 NW. Expway,
Oklahoma City, OK 73116
Dr. Ronald Painton, MD
5401 North Portland,
Oklahoma City, OK 73112
Dr. Shawn Schlinke, MD
5252 North Meridian, Oklahoma City, OK 73112
Charles D. Taylor, MD 4409 North Classen Boulevard, Oklahoma City, OK 73118
Dr. David Rothwell 6307 Waterford Blvd., Oklahoma City, OK 73118
James W. Hogan, DO 937 SW 89th St, Oklahoma City, OK 73139-9231
Robert White, ND, PhD, PA 817 SW 89th St, Oklahoma City, OK 73139-9361
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The one thing that sticks out to me is your low test after applying androgel. For some reason you aren't absorbing it and you are wasting your time to continue that route. Injecting 100mg per week should raise test levels, but for me it takes 5 to 6 weeks to see results from injections.
 
I have been up and down on trt also . Testim, however, gave far better results than androgel. It's fairly common knowledge it has beaten the crap out of Androgel in the market place. I also did 100mg of test cyp every five days. It worked but I could feel the ups and downs in my attitude. Going to a new Endo on Irving, Texas next week cause I'm still up and down in my labs. If you want, I'll PM you what I think of her.
 
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