HRT and Prohormones

[bodybuilder8806]

I've been diagnosed as hypogonadal and was wondering what would be the side effects of taking something such as superdrol with 5g of androgel i've been prescribed each day. I have done a lot of research on steriods, prohormones, etc and know the proper support supps and regimens, but was unsure of the effects with someone on HRT. Would you just go back to your normal HRT protocol after 3 weeks on something such as the trn/tst stack, with no regard to pct since it is used to restore the natural production of testosterone? I won't have to worry about estrogen surges, gyno, etc if I just take my HRT throughout the prohormone cycle and continue as prescribed after stopping the cycle? I figure since PCT is to restore natural testosterone levels to keep from losing gains and to essentially have testosterone production again is pointless since im hypogonadal anyways, and I should keep my gains since my testosterone levels will never go subnormal. At this point in time im asking about prohormones, because im not ready to step over any legal boundaries for controlled AAS.

 

[size]

If one is on HRT then there is no need for typical post cycle protocol.

 

[bodybuilder8806]

Alright thats a relief, although i'll still take support supplements throughout and afterwards for my liver, blood pressure, etc. Also is it possible for prohormones to suppress me any further than HRT has even though im hypogonadal anyways, or cause any further complications once ceased. Im just trying to keep it safe and ask questions that aren't covered in normal posts due to being unique, so thanks for everyones help.

 

[PVSkyHigh]

I am curious to how old you are since you are hypogonadal and what caused it. By the way, superdrol is a steroid.

 

[bodybuilder8806]

I am curious to how old you are since you are hypogonadal and what caused it. By the way, superdrol is a steroid.

Im 25, and I always passed off not having all my facial hair, etc as a late puberty, but after seeing an endo he took some tests and my testosterone came out at 240. I have been working out for 3 years now without much progress in muscle mass etc. Im 195 with 16-17% bf, as far as what caused it, the doctor said its common and could be genetic. Also i've read alot about superdrol and other similar prohormone/prosteriod products recently and was wondering how they would effect an HRT patient who is already taking replacement testosterone anyways.

 

[anatolian]

If one is on HRT then there is no need for typical post cycle protocol.

Would you stop your hrt during a cycle of prohormones and pick it back up after cycle, or just continue your hrt through out the prohormone cycle and add some pct stuff at the end?

 

[same_old]

Would you stop your hrt during a cycle of prohormones and pick it back up after cycle, or just continue your hrt through out the prohormone cycle and add some post cycle therapy stuff at the end?

you'd stay on HRT the whole time.

thread starter - you really should get yourself acquainted with injections. they are a piece of cake, more effective and alot less trouble than daily androgel applications.

i also dont have spectacular natty test, but i've been able to sculpt a quality physique by juicing responsibly. alot of the risks you take on with steroids you are already taking on with HRT.

you can find another doc and get prescribed test cyp weekly, easily.

 

[anatolian]

you'd stay on HRT the whole time.

thread starter - you really should get yourself acquainted with injections. they are a piece of cake, more effective and alot less trouble than daily androgel applications.

i also dont have spectacular natty test, but i've been able to sculpt a quality physique by juicing responsibly. alot of the risks you take on with steroids you are already taking on with HRT.

you can find another doc and get prescribed test cyp weekly, easily.

Thanks,

I too am on a gel. Mine however is made by a compound pharm.. I asked him about the shots and his response was there is to great of a spike in test, that your body responds by ramping up estrogen. He said you are more susceptible to sides. He is also the only person I have heard say that! Maybe time to find a more progresive doctor.

 

[Ripw4]

Thanks,

I too am on a gel. Mine however is made by a compound pharm.. I asked him about the shots and his response was there is to great of a spike in test, that your body responds by ramping up estrogen. He said you are more susceptible to sides. He is also the only person I have heard say that! Maybe time to find a more progresive doctor.

The doctor is right..If hes dosing every two weeks or even more..I have heard of 400mg. of cyp once a month..In that case yea..Estrogen should jump some..
On a dose of 100 mg cyp. a week it shouldnt be a problem. Most of the forward thinking doctors like Dr. John prefer a weekly shot.

 

[same_old]

The doctor is right..If hes dosing every two weeks or even more..I have heard of 400mg. of cyp once a month..In that case yea..Estrogen should jump some..
On a dose of 100 mg cyp. a week it shouldnt be a problem. Most of the forward thinking doctors like Dr. John prefer a weekly shot.

absolutely. a doc who prescribes bi-weekly shots is just not paying attention. a proper HRT doc or endo will opt for weekly, 200mg in some cases but usually 100mg.

and as far as your body responding to a test shot by "ramping up estrogen" and that what causes sides - that's just dumb. test converts to estrogen at a rate very similar to what your body does normally. you WILL have more estrogen, because you have more test, period....now, the days prior to your shot (especially if every 2 weeks), you will have significantly less test than the days after your shot....which can cause you to have a lousy T:E ratio as some compensation may occur by the HPTA....solution: more frequent shots. use decanoate if you can find it.

 

[papa G]

As far as the original question goes, since you are ON cycle and on hct you would probably have a major advantage over many people that use current ps's. Many people who use things like sdrol get their natty T levels shut down unless they have acsess to some test. It was great when 4ad was legal!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, if you are on hrt during a very suppresive cycle of SD you will still maintain your T levels while ON cycle! It's almost like taking 4ad or test while on! To me it seems as if your hrt doses will almost offset many of the sides. As a bonus, you have no pct hassles!! I do realize that injectible T would be even better. I am saying this b/c I know that running a current ps cycle w/o any type of test sub makes you feel like total sh*t! JMO!

 

[anatolian]

As far as the original question goes, since you are ON cycle and on hct you would probably have a major advantage over many people that use current ps's. Many people who use things like sdrol get their natty T levels shut down unless they have acsess to some test. It was great when 4ad was legal!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, if you are on hrt during a very suppresive cycle of superdrol you will still maintain your T levels while ON cycle! It's almost like taking 4ad or test while on! To me it seems as if your hrt doses will almost offset many of the sides. As a bonus, you have no post cycle therapy hassles!! I do realize that injectible T would be even better. I am saying this b/c I know that running a current ps cycle w/o any type of test sub makes you feel like total sh*t! JMO!

You brought up an interesting point about the 4ad, if you run a cycle of 1ad/4ad while on the gel is that overkill...Well 1ad for that matter aswell?

 

[same_old]

Many people who use things like sdrol get their natty T levels shut down unless they have acsess to some test. It was great when 4ad was legal

no. your endogenous test production shuts down on injectable T also....virtually completely. perhaps you meant "circulating T"

 

[jcam222]

If one is on HRT then there is no need for typical post cycle protocol.

I have pondered this question for quite awhile. I do understand that since a person is on HRT that by continuing HRT post cycle kickstarting the natural test isn't an issue. I do however wonder if perhaps estrogen and cortisol issues still need addressed post cycle. I would theorize that when the levels drop from supraphysiological back to normal that they body may still generate an abundance of estrogen. In addition I would guess that cortisol would also be on the rise.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[papa G]

no. your endogenous test production shuts down on injectable T also....virtually completely. perhaps you meant "circulating T"

What I meant to say was that since this person is on HRT he will have real test flowing through his body even though he is supressed from SD. From what I understand his HRT of androgel already has his natty T levels shut down. But by applying the androgel everyday you are giving your body artificial test. Being on HRT pretty much means you are replacing the test your body is not producing on its own.

Being on HRT and SD at the same time is different than the average joe running SD alone. On HRT and SD you still have some test running through your body because you are applying a dose (androlgel or injectible) on a regular basis. The suppression from SD will not matter b/c you are already shut down from the androgel or whatever the script is. If your not on HRT running the SD will shut your natural test production down. Whatever test your testes were producing will be very suppressed. My point was that being on HRT and SD at the same time is almost like being on 4ad or low dose test and SD. With the HRT your maintaining some test while on an actual suppressive oral.

 

[same_old]

My point was that being on HRT and SD at the same time is almost like being on 4ad or low dose test and SD. With the HRT your maintaining some test while on an actual suppressive oral.

ok guy. HRT, being test, is kinda like test or the prohormone to test. gotcha

 

[jerry83]

I have pondered this question for quite awhile. I do understand that since a person is on HRT that by continuing HRT post cycle kickstarting the natural test isn't an issue. I do however wonder if perhaps estrogen and cortisol issues still need addressed post cycle. I would theorize that when the levels drop from supraphysiological back to normal that they body may still generate an abundance of estrogen. In addition I would guess that cortisol would also be on the rise.

Any thoughts on this?

You bring up a good point. I am currenlty on hrt and have done a cycle of superdrol while on hrt with great results.Since shutdown was not an issue, I only needed a minimal dose of 10 mg to get the same effect as you would with 20 or 30mg. I did injure my right shoulder so i had to quit the cyle after only two weeks (I blame that on the superdrol). However,I gained about 6 lbs and didnt notice much strength or weight loss after I discontinued. Since the cycle was so short I fiigured there was no need for an aromatase inhibitor or serm.