julius kelp
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making up (4) 240ml/8oz bottles of transderms. 15 grams of powder in each. 1-test, 4ad, nor-4ad, & 1,4 ad. this is not my 1st cycle. i'm ready to see what this stuff can do. how would you run this assortment? TIA
how would you?
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db682
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I hope youve got your post cycle ready before starting and dont make the mistake alot of other people are making, MAKE SURE YOUVE GOT NOLVA ON HAND BEFORE STARTING. I keep reading about how everyone is getting gyno and that the suppliers for clomid or nolva are really lagging. Dont get stuck without it.
Cyclewise, Bulk then cut towards the end.
db
Cyclewise, Bulk then cut towards the end.
db
Kitchen Chemist
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db682 said:
Bad advice, i chatted with bobo about this for about 45 minutes. I was running a cutting portion during weeks 11-16 but once i dropped the injectables and hit up some transdermal test and bolenone i dropped like 12 lbs in three weeks as my cals were too low. He came to the conclusion that your body has to get used to the weight you've gained during the cycle or else you will lose a lot of mass once you come off. I stopped my cycle week 13 rather than continuing and hit up some clomid.
Just all out bulk bro!
Kitchen Chemist
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I made the mistake a year ago with my first ph cycles not having it, didn't really know anything about gyno etc. but i didn't get any signs luckily as i would of been screwed.
julius kelp
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armed & ready
got the post meds bros. i could lose some fat for sure, but my intentions are to add mass so as to raise metabolism. i intend to feed at approx 5k/day. maybe cut it to 85% of that post for 2-3 weeks?
got the post meds bros. i could lose some fat for sure, but my intentions are to add mass so as to raise metabolism. i intend to feed at approx 5k/day. maybe cut it to 85% of that post for 2-3 weeks?
jweave23
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check your PM's, but this was my idea:
I would not do all 4 at the same time. Nordiol may compete with 4-ad, although some have stacked it with good results. If I were you I'd try this:
If you used T-gel? it's 2ml per squirt, so each squirt will give you 125mg of androgen. You have 120 squirts, so that should be a good cycle at 6 weeks (again this is all assuming @ 2ml per squirt. Did you use t-gel or homebrew?).
As for doses I would try this:
375mg 1-test (3 squirts, do 1.5 twice)
500mg 4-ad (4 squirts daily)
375mg 1,4 ad (3 squirts)
I wouldn't even bother with the Nordiol in this cycle, maybe do another heavy 4 week cycle with it later. It seems to be best used alone IMO.
Those are heavy doses for some, so you should definitely see results with this, believe me.
I would not do all 4 at the same time. Nordiol may compete with 4-ad, although some have stacked it with good results. If I were you I'd try this:
If you used T-gel? it's 2ml per squirt, so each squirt will give you 125mg of androgen. You have 120 squirts, so that should be a good cycle at 6 weeks (again this is all assuming @ 2ml per squirt. Did you use t-gel or homebrew?).
As for doses I would try this:
375mg 1-test (3 squirts, do 1.5 twice)
500mg 4-ad (4 squirts daily)
375mg 1,4 ad (3 squirts)
I wouldn't even bother with the Nordiol in this cycle, maybe do another heavy 4 week cycle with it later. It seems to be best used alone IMO.
Those are heavy doses for some, so you should definitely see results with this, believe me.
julius kelp
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base?
actually planned on mixing two bottles of t-gel with 16oz homebrew. how bad an idea is this?
actually planned on mixing two bottles of t-gel with 16oz homebrew. how bad an idea is this?
Kitchen Chemist
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Homebrew and t-gel together is fine as long as you use the recipe posted.
Jweave, just wondering how nor and 4-ad compete against each other if one is a nandrolone presecusor and the other a testosterone. No one would stack deca and test enanthate if this was the case. Not shooting your reply down, i just was wondering where this info came from as i wasn't aware of this. Thanks!
Jweave, just wondering how nor and 4-ad compete against each other if one is a nandrolone presecusor and the other a testosterone. No one would stack deca and test enanthate if this was the case. Not shooting your reply down, i just was wondering where this info came from as i wasn't aware of this. Thanks!
Kitchen Chemist
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Cool bro, thanks!
Kow
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Chemist, they both use the 3bHSD enzyme to convert. Some say that if the conversion takes some amount of time that there will be competition. I don't know if there is enough enzyme present to convert the dosages we use, but even if not, I think PA has suggested that the conversion is instantaneous. The amount of enzyme is constant I think, so even if the process took time, since most (good) transdermals release the androgen over time, it shouldn't be an issue.
Kitchen Chemist
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Cool bro, can you say that again in english? J/k, thanks forthe info!
julius kelp
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this is getting good!
this is the info i was looking for. i still have no idea whether i should do 200mgs (say 1-test ) a day or 400, or more? & should i adjust this if i'm doing 200 or 400 or 600 a day of 4ad etc... am i going for any particular max total of "androgens" to enter my system? sorry for 50 questions guys...
this is the info i was looking for. i still have no idea whether i should do 200mgs (say 1-test ) a day or 400, or more? & should i adjust this if i'm doing 200 or 400 or 600 a day of 4ad etc... am i going for any particular max total of "androgens" to enter my system? sorry for 50 questions guys...
db682
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KC,
Thanks for clearing that up bro, I was planning on attempting that for a next cycle. Guess Ill pass on that for now. But I have read a post about someone who did it and had pretty good results. Ill see if I can dig it up, but he was probably full-o-**** anyways. Bobos theory sounds pretty airtight.
Julius,
what are your stats again bro? Alot of advice has been spit around but I dont even remember your weight or experience.
db
Thanks for clearing that up bro, I was planning on attempting that for a next cycle. Guess Ill pass on that for now. But I have read a post about someone who did it and had pretty good results. Ill see if I can dig it up, but he was probably full-o-**** anyways. Bobos theory sounds pretty airtight.
Julius,
what are your stats again bro? Alot of advice has been spit around but I dont even remember your weight or experience.
db
julius kelp
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"stats"
not a bodybuilder. lifted iregularly for several years. inconsistency is my main flaw.(i'm working on it) one car garage. smith machine,power cage,vert leg press. 1100lbs free weights. decent jambox. more of a basketball players build unfortunately. 6'4" weigh about 215 today. bodyfat too high. prob 22%.have studied exercise & nutrition for quite a few years now. feel pretty confident about my knowledge. it's 100 degrees here, but i'm ready to crank the "supps" to the max, eat hard,train hard & rest hard.is that any help? hope i don't sound like too much of a moron!
not a bodybuilder. lifted iregularly for several years. inconsistency is my main flaw.(i'm working on it) one car garage. smith machine,power cage,vert leg press. 1100lbs free weights. decent jambox. more of a basketball players build unfortunately. 6'4" weigh about 215 today. bodyfat too high. prob 22%.have studied exercise & nutrition for quite a few years now. feel pretty confident about my knowledge. it's 100 degrees here, but i'm ready to crank the "supps" to the max, eat hard,train hard & rest hard.is that any help? hope i don't sound like too much of a moron!
db682
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Damn youve got 3 of the biggest pieces of equiptment slamed into your garage with 1100 lbs. of weight. What did you do, rob a gym or something. You must have a fairly large garage.
I was just thinking about the dosing and stuff thats why I asked about stats and experience. If youve cycled PH's before which I think you said you did and with your build you should be able to handle to doses that weave prescribed with little if any problems.
Good luck bro,
db
P.S.
Morons are the ones that keep quiet and dont ask the needed questions and end up fucked up in the end. Your no moron bro. Tall, Ill give you that, but moron.... well.
I was just thinking about the dosing and stuff thats why I asked about stats and experience. If youve cycled PH's before which I think you said you did and with your build you should be able to handle to doses that weave prescribed with little if any problems.
Good luck bro,
db
P.S.
Morons are the ones that keep quiet and dont ask the needed questions and end up fucked up in the end. Your no moron bro. Tall, Ill give you that, but moron.... well.
SCORPIO
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Re: "stats"
Julius, we have some stats in common except for hight, I'm 5'9. 200-205lbs 20%bf. As far as how much androgens per day, I wanted to ask have you done any other cycles before? For your size I would prolly go with 1000-1200mg total per day, which is quite high, but has been done before. That is why I asked if you 've had experience with PHs. I will be using in that range of mg for my next cycle. What amount of each is up to you and your personal goals. For more mass go with more 4ad. For more lean gains go with more 1-test and use at least 400mg per day of 1,4 andro. Never used nor-4ad so I can't comment on that. Remember to use higher volume training while 'on' and go to lower vol when 'off'. Also keep cals high post cycle to retain more gains.
julius kelp said:
Julius, we have some stats in common except for hight, I'm 5'9. 200-205lbs 20%bf. As far as how much androgens per day, I wanted to ask have you done any other cycles before? For your size I would prolly go with 1000-1200mg total per day, which is quite high, but has been done before. That is why I asked if you 've had experience with PHs. I will be using in that range of mg for my next cycle. What amount of each is up to you and your personal goals. For more mass go with more 4ad. For more lean gains go with more 1-test and use at least 400mg per day of 1,4 andro. Never used nor-4ad so I can't comment on that. Remember to use higher volume training while 'on' and go to lower vol when 'off'. Also keep cals high post cycle to retain more gains.
julius kelp
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thanx
thanx guys, i appreciate ever bit of wisdom. just got through mixing the (3) 8oz bottles. 15 gms of 1-test, 10 gms of 1,4ad & a reluctant 15 gms of 4ad. heated the 4ad pretty hot in a water bath. most dissolved maybe it'll break down a bit more in the next few days. excited about getting started. plans come together a little more each day. last time i trained five days a week twice a day. pretty briefly some sessions. seemed to work pretty good. i mean like just spending 20 minutes on pretty heavy shoulder work first thing in the morning before going to work felt good. i'm going to try to increase the volume considerably this time. i gravitate towards lower reps (1-5) might try some variation of gvt? maybe more fast twitch, i tire quickly so i get heavy as fast as possible without injury. i'm rambling thanx again dudes. have a great weekend all.
thanx guys, i appreciate ever bit of wisdom. just got through mixing the (3) 8oz bottles. 15 gms of 1-test, 10 gms of 1,4ad & a reluctant 15 gms of 4ad. heated the 4ad pretty hot in a water bath. most dissolved maybe it'll break down a bit more in the next few days. excited about getting started. plans come together a little more each day. last time i trained five days a week twice a day. pretty briefly some sessions. seemed to work pretty good. i mean like just spending 20 minutes on pretty heavy shoulder work first thing in the morning before going to work felt good. i'm going to try to increase the volume considerably this time. i gravitate towards lower reps (1-5) might try some variation of gvt? maybe more fast twitch, i tire quickly so i get heavy as fast as possible without injury. i'm rambling thanx again dudes. have a great weekend all.