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How To MAXIMIZIE A TD cycle?

yates84 said:
I have so many tattoos and td's work on them no problem. Technically, your tattoo should not have a lot of scar tissue if it was done right.
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Good to hear! Especially since my chest/shoulders are covered and that's where I've been applying.
 
Bry11 said:
Good to hear! Especially since my chest/shoulders are covered and that's where I've been applying.
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I emailed you, my friend :)
 
I dropped a solid 2-3% BF even though I've gained a solid 20 lbs. Kinda wanna extend for another four weeks. Kinda wanna keep going and add winny. Kinda wanna come off and start PCT.
 
Woody said:
I dropped a solid 2-3% BF even though I've gained a solid 20 lbs. Kinda wanna extend for another four weeks. Kinda wanna keep going and add winny. Kinda wanna come off and start PCT.
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fuk dude dropping 3% and gaining that much weight whoa, with or without t3?
 
Woody said:
I dropped a solid 2-3% BF even though I've gained a solid 20 lbs. Kinda wanna extend for another four weeks. Kinda wanna keep going and add winny. Kinda wanna come off and start PCT.
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Those are sum great gainz! Rock it out another 4 weeks i say!
 
With gains like that I would go ahead into pct and concentrate holding on to those gains. How much more can you really look forward to in one cycle? Anything further will really just slow recovery, I am pretty sure you are on the cusp of diminishing returns.
 
yates84 said:
With gains like that I would go ahead into pct and concentrate holding on to those gains. How much more can you really look forward to in one cycle? Anything further will really just slow recovery, I am pretty sure you are on the cusp of diminishing returns.
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Yeah but with Tren i can eat this and not get fat Invalid Link Removed
 
We have a very similar diet :D
 
BROSCIENCE TIME! So im sure most of you know 5a-reductase is expressed in skin tissue more so than in other organs. This is especially the case for pubic skin, scrotum and apparently any part of your skin where pimples develop (apparently these are induced by higher DHT levels in those tissues) Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed

This leads me to formulate a hypothesis. Test is probably more androgenic and less anabolic used TD because of higher conversion to DHT than in injectable form. Conversely, and this is what I am actually interested in, Boldenone is probably much more anabolic used TD vs injectable due to higher conversion to 1-test. Additionally, if this line of thinking is correct, you could probably get more anabolism out of TD bold if applied over shaved pubic skin and/or over areas that usually experience pimples during AAS cycles (traps/shoulders).

Has anyone had any experience with this? Can anyone contribute any personal experiences with injectable vs TD versions of the same compound in similar amounts that illustrate any of this? Itd be neat to know if there are easy hacks like these to exploit this new delivery method to its fullest.
 
hazard12 said:
BROSCIENCE TIME! So im sure most of you know 5a-reductase is expressed in skin tissue more so than in other organs. This is especially the case for pubic skin, scrotum and apparently any part of your skin where pimples develop (apparently these are induced by higher DHT levels in those tissues) Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed

This leads me to formulate a hypothesis. Test is probably more androgenic and less anabolic used TD because of higher conversion to DHT than in injectable form. Conversely, and this is what I am actually interested in, Boldenone is probably much more anabolic used TD vs injectable due to higher conversion to 1-test. Additionally, if this line of thinking is correct, you could probably get more anabolism out of TD bold if applied over shaved pubic skin and/or over areas that usually experience pimples during AAS cycles (traps/shoulders).

Has anyone had any experience with this? Can anyone contribute any personal experiences with injectable vs TD versions of the same compound in similar amounts that illustrate any of this? Itd be neat to know if there are easy hacks like these to exploit this new delivery method to its fullest.
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Very curious to know!
 
hazard12 said:
BROSCIENCE TIME! So im sure most of you know 5a-reductase is expressed in skin tissue more so than in other organs. This is especially the case for pubic skin, scrotum and apparently any part of your skin where pimples develop (apparently these are induced by higher DHT levels in those tissues) Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed

This leads me to formulate a hypothesis. Test is probably more androgenic and less anabolic used TD because of higher conversion to DHT than in injectable form. Conversely, and this is what I am actually interested in, Boldenone is probably much more anabolic used TD vs injectable due to higher conversion to 1-test. Additionally, if this line of thinking is correct, you could probably get more anabolism out of TD bold if applied over shaved pubic skin and/or over areas that usually experience pimples during AAS cycles (traps/shoulders).

Has anyone had any experience with this? Can anyone contribute any personal experiences with injectable vs TD versions of the same compound in similar amounts that illustrate any of this? Itd be neat to know if there are easy hacks like these to exploit this new delivery method to its fullest.
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I'm not burning my balls to find out lol. Traps are good for me
 
Woody said:
I'm not burning my balls to find out lol. Traps are good for me
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HAHAHAH yeah i was mostly talking about pubic hair area, traps and shoulders. I think thats as far as id go for anabolism haha
 
hazard12 said:
HAHAHAH yeah i was mostly talking about pubic hair area, traps and shoulders. I think thats as far as id go for anabolism haha
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Oh you said and/or traps not over traps. Sorry reading is hard.

I think most of us are using traps/shoulders/biceps
 
Woody said:
Oh you said and/or traps not over traps. Sorry reading is hard.

I think most of us are using traps/shoulders/biceps
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Yup, stuck with the trap shoulder chest area, but it was super dry after 10 wks of use, so alternative areas would be great
 
hazard12 said:
BROSCIENCE TIME! So im sure most of you know 5a-reductase is expressed in skin tissue more so than in other organs. This is especially the case for pubic skin, scrotum and apparently any part of your skin where pimples develop (apparently these are induced by higher DHT levels in those tissues) Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed

This leads me to formulate a hypothesis. Test is probably more androgenic and less anabolic used TD because of higher conversion to DHT than in injectable form. Conversely, and this is what I am actually interested in, Boldenone is probably much more anabolic used TD vs injectable due to higher conversion to 1-test. Additionally, if this line of thinking is correct, you could probably get more anabolism out of TD bold if applied over shaved pubic skin and/or over areas that usually experience pimples during AAS cycles (traps/shoulders).

Has anyone had any experience with this? Can anyone contribute any personal experiences with injectable vs TD versions of the same compound in similar amounts that illustrate any of this? Itd be neat to know if there are easy hacks like these to exploit this new delivery method to its fullest.
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Uggh wish I could run td's so I could find out! I gotta pin my bold base like the old days smh
 
It seems (at least on paper) that I have finally decided what my next cycle will look like, kinda similar to hazard12.

Week 1-8 Super-1 90+60caps
Week 1-8 SuperShred at recommended dose
Week 5-16 Super-Epi 120 caps
Week 1-16 TD test/bold 100mg/ml


Forgot to mention Super-Shred, obviously PCT Clomid 25/25/25/25/25/25 as I can handle it better than 50mg along with KB or Trojan PCT.

For on cycle I have Arimacare Pro and possibly look into KG as well.

What do you guys think?
 
yates84 said:
Uggh wish I could run td's so I could find out! I gotta pin my bold base like the old days smh
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I am recording most of my current run. I will probably run a similar stack with injectables (I already haved inj test, Id just need to get some bold) sometime in the future. If no one makes any comparisons by then ill make sure to give a comparison review. I have a log up here as well as a notebook I write notes on so I have some nice data to work with.
 
Erikeckert said:
Yup, stuck with the trap shoulder chest area, but it was super dry after 10 wks of use, so alternative areas would be great
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Yeah I alternate between shoulders, inner biceps, back of knees, thighs( but not tren) and tops of feet.
 
Hey guys, anyone knows what the effects timeline is for TD? Im on my 3rd day as of right now and I have already noticed muscle fullness and veins popping but not much as far as mental effects. I remember running Test E and feeling it 2 weeks after the fist injection.The last cycle I ran was Msten and I remember vividly feeling ON about 3-4 days after the start of the cycle until the last day. I am curious to know what I can expect. Besides TDs im also using epiandro at 1000mg a day for the mental effects, as well as drying out but it doesn't seem to be doing much yet either. I know 3 days isnt much, and I am not really complaining here, I just have no idea what to expect with these.
 
hazard12 said:
Hey guys, anyone knows what the effects timeline is for TD? Im on my 3rd day as of right now and I have already noticed muscle fullness and veins popping but not much as far as mental effects. I remember running Test E and feeling it 2 weeks after the fist injection.The last cycle I ran was Msten and I remember vividly feeling ON about 3-4 days after the start of the cycle until the last day. I am curious to know what I can expect. Besides TDs im also using epiandro at 1000mg a day for the mental effects, as well as drying out but it doesn't seem to be doing much yet either. I know 3 days isnt much, and I am not really complaining here, I just have no idea what to expect with these.
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They are made with base powders so you should feel the effects very quick.
 
yates84 said:
They are made with base powders so you should feel the effects very quick.
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True. It might just be that I am using a low "clinical" dose of both TDs to increase collagen synthesis which is probably very different from what I am used to. I was hoping the epi would be stronger but I guess this is what the new PH gen is like :/
 
hazard12 said:
True. It might just be that I am using a low "clinical" dose of both TDs to increase collagen synthesis which is probably very different from what I am used to. I was hoping the epi would be stronger but I guess this is what the new PH gen is like :/
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Aren't you only on the 3rd day of epi?
 
Bry11 said:
Aren't you only on the 3rd day of epi?
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Yes. Am I mistaken with the epi timeline xD? I was comparing it to other orals but I guess this is a PH. I have only taken orally active compounds like epistane and and msten. Do PHs like these require days to build up? If so, how long should I wait before making a call on it?
 
Huh, is this because metabolites take about that long to build up into measurable amounts of the target hormone? In my mind these were getting converted within the same day and excreted by the time the next day's dose came around. Today I learned something :D
 
hazard12 said:
Yes. Am I mistaken with the epi timeline xD? I was comparing it to other orals but I guess this is a PH. I have only taken orally active compounds like epistane and and msten. Do PHs like these require days to build up? If so, how long should I wait before making a call on it?
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When he was talking about base powders he was talking about the Tds. Epi worked pretty quick for me too though. What dose are you running?
 
I would say give it more time.
 
hazard12 said:
Yes. Am I mistaken with the epi timeline xD? I was comparing it to other orals but I guess this is a PH. I have only taken orally active compounds like epistane and and msten. Do PHs like these require days to build up? If so, how long should I wait before making a call on it?
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3 to 4 weeks to see acute benefits from epi. The cns stimulation is the only thing that might be noticed week 1.
 
hazard12 said:
Huh, is this because metabolites take about that long to build up into measurable amounts of the target hormone? In my mind these were getting converted within the same day and excreted by the time the next day's dose came around. Today I learned something :D
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Sometimes there can be a bit of a disconnect between subjective reports and objective facts/measures. The former may vary widely, even though the latter may have a much narrower field of variance.
 
Nac said:
Sometimes there can be a bit of a disconnect between subjective reports and objective facts/measures. The former may vary widely, even though the latter may have a much narrower field of variance.
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You talk like a scientist! Or a lawyer!
 
Bry11 said:
You talk like a scientist! Or a lawyer!
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More like pseudo intellectual.

Twas just a wanky way of saying subjective states are not always 1:1 with objective states. Which is still wanky. I give up.
 
Bry11 said:
Nice! Good dose
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I am only running it for 4 weeks before I up my TD dose and start Methyldiazirinol. You think its worth it at that dose or should I bump up to 1250mg/day? I have enough to bump up to 1250mg/day for 3 out of the 4 weeks,

EDIT: ERRRRR scratch that I cant do math... I have 180 capsules 250mg each. I could run it at 1250 or 5 caps for 36 days or 5 weeks, so in theory I could even go up to 1500 for part of it. I kinda wanna get rid of my stock of this during this run, I am a little dissapointed in it and now I have access to pure DHT and masteron so its kinda pointless..I just didnt wanna use those since I will be using triumphalis later and I havent cycled in a while so I dont think theres need to go quite BALLS to the WALL just yet.
 
I should add, My recent precycle bloods came back with estro at 29.2 while taking exemestane at around 6.25-12.5mg/day as needed for the last bits of my gyno reversal protocol (which was 95%+ successful). I would like to be able to drop the exem for a while, at least until I boost my TDs. In theory upping my epi would help with this right?
 
hazard12 said:
I should add, My recent precycle bloods came back with estro at 29.2 while taking exemestane at around 6.25-12.5mg/day as needed for the last bits of my gyno reversal protocol (which was 95%+ successful). I would like to be able to drop the exem for a while, at least until I boost my TDs. In theory upping my epi would help with this right?
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Yes it should. I know dht competes for the receptor sites with estro. yates84 know a lot more about this but he gave me the same advice about combating estro sites with Epi when I was starting trest
 
hazard12 said:
I am only running it for 4 weeks before I up my TD dose and start Methyldiazirinol. You think its worth it at that dose or should I bump up to 1250mg/day? I have enough to bump up to 1250mg/day for 3 out of the 4 weeks,

EDIT: ERRRRR scratch that I cant do math... I have 180 capsules 250mg each. I could run it at 1250 or 5 caps for 36 days or 5 weeks, so in theory I could even go up to 1500 for part of it. I kinda wanna get rid of my stock of this during this run, I am a little dissapointed in it and now I have access to pure DHT and masteron so its kinda pointless..I just didnt wanna use those since I will be using triumphalis later and I havent cycled in a while so I dont think theres need to go quite BALLS to the WALL just yet.
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I would run 1000 then 1250 then 1500 as long as you can.
 
Bry11 said:
I would run 1000 then 1250 then 1500 as long as you can.
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Unless someone gives me a good reason not to, I might. If I feel some odd sides I might dial back on the dose but otherwise I am thinking this is the way to go for how short of time I will be using it.
 
hazard12 said:
Unless someone gives me a good reason not to, I might. If I feel some odd sides I might dial back on the dose but otherwise I am thinking this is the way to go for how short of time I will be using it.
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Sounds good brotha
 
Woody said:
Yeah but with Tren i can eat this and not get fat Invalid Link Removed
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No wonder all you guys on tren are breathing hard! :D
 
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