How to do a Test Enanthate cycle properly and prevent sides

[younghustler6]

Hi guys, I have done 3 cycles in the past one with Sustanon, one with Test Cyp and one with Test Enanthate. Received great results from all but I also received that bad sides along with them. I was too young when I had started my first cycle at 18 and my last cycle at 22. The guy who introduced me did not inform me I was too young or show me the right way to run a cycle and it screwed my body up. After the first month of starting each cycle I was having ED issues and also got gyno. In each of those cycles I was doing 2cc's a week at 250mg on some cycles and 300mg in the other.

My question to you guys is I'm about to start another cycle on Test E but I don't want to start until I have all the right information and products on hand to prevent these sides from occurring. My main concern is I do not want to have ED issues after the first couple of weeks on cycle like I did in the past, my levels weren't right somewhere for this to happen. After reading through some of the forums I see I wasn't the only one dealing with that. I also want to avoid getting gyno as they have shrunk down over the past few years and look normal again. What should I be taking/doing to prevent this from happening with this cycle?

I'm 26yrs old, 5'8", 168lbs, my diet is on point been steady lifting for 6 months now. I had to take off from lifting for a little while due to work but have put on 26lbs in the past 6 months keeping my body fat below 8%. I'm new to this forum and don't understand all the abbreviations if you don't mind spelling things out that would definitely help! hahah if you need any other info from me please let me know...any information/advice is appreciated thanks!

 

[Sam stack]

Have you used an ai on cycle?

 

[younghustler6]

After having the gyno and ED issues I picked up anastrozole. To be completely honest I don't remember if it helped the gyno. The gyno wasn't terrible but it was definitely there. I know for sure it didn't help with the ED issue I was having. My erections were non existent and I noticed I was getting emotional over stupid things when I usually wouldn't. I don't remember the dose I was taking either, it was almost 5 years ago. I also picked up HCGenerate, that didn't work either for ED. After a few weeks of using it and getting no positive results I went to an endo doctor and he told me to stop what I was taking so I stopped everything together. Took 6 months to a year for my body to bounce back to normal. Thats what I want to avoid for sure this time. I use HCGenerate now and it works great but didn't fix my issue while I was on cycle.

 

[CatSnake]

simply managing E2 would help both the side effects you mentioned....

next time, take an AI when you start your cycle.

some reading:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/288969-info-ais.html


going cold-turkey didn't help you, so definitely plan a solid PCT:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/288103-info-serms.html


also, have you had pre-cycle bloodwork?




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[younghustler6]

simply managing E2 would help both the side effects you mentioned....

next time, take an AI when you start your cycle.

some reading:


going cold-turkey didn't help you, so definitely plan a solid PCT:



also, have you had pre-cycle bloodwork?




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being new to this and misinformed by guys in the past I wasn't sure how to properly manage E2 and still don't haha. I'm working on getting arimidex right now. Thanks for the info on AI's. So you think I would be fine during cycle by taking 1mg of arimidex 2x a week? If gyno begins to flare up and I start to have ED issues how would you adjust dosage or should I take something else along with it to help?

Yea I found out later on stopping all together was a bad idea. Crazy that some of these doctors call themselves doctors.

I was told I should get bloodwork done before this cycle, I haven't yet but going to schedule an appointment to have it done. What should I have them test for in bloodwork?

 

[Asteele08]

You can use privatemdlabs and have them do a female hormone test for pretty cheap.

 

[younghustler6]

You can use privatemdlabs and have them do a female hormone test for pretty cheap.

Yea someone had just told me about a lab I could go to in my area for it. Do they strictly just take bloodwork or do they give you advice as far as how to get levels back in order, what to take and how much incase levels start to get out of wack?

 

[w8lifter]

Yea someone had just told me about a lab I could go to in my area for it. Do they strictly just take bloodwork or do they give you advice as far as how to get levels back in order, what to take and how much incase levels start to get out of wack?

Labsmd uses Quest Diagnostics. Female hormone panel is about $78

 

[Asteele08]

They just tell you your levels, but people here and elsewhere can help if you’re levels look low. So just post your bloods once you get them back.

And you can usually find a discount code, I think mine was only $56 at the end of the day

 

[Matthersby]

being new to this and misinformed by guys in the past I wasn't sure how to properly manage E2 and still don't haha.

Yea I found out later on stopping all together was a bad idea. Crazy that some of these doctors call themselves doctors.I ?

I’m sorry I need to be the prick here. But it’s none of these “doctors” or “guys” responsibility to give you guidance on how to put hormones in your body correctly. It’s 100% yours. And after doing this 3 times, going on the fourth now, you still don’t know. That scares me a little. I’ve been slightly unprepared before a cycle before, no ones perfect.. However, prior to running test for the first time, I read 1 hour minimum per day for an entire year. That way, I didn’t get gyno, or ED, or high blood pressure, or any other side effect that could potentially arise. I wouldn’t think of running another cycle until you first get your hormones checked. You may not want to take another chip out of your natural production at this point. And start reading. For cycle #4, you really shouldn’t be asking these questions still.

 

[RickyBlobby]

You minimize sides by stacking compounds and running less of each. In general

 

[younghustler6]

Thanks asteele and w8lifter...I have an appointment tomorrow night I should have blood results sometime soon and will post them.

 

[younghustler6]

I’m sorry I need to be the prick here. But it’s none of these “doctors” or “guys” responsibility to give you guidance on how to put hormones in your body correctly. It’s 100% yours. And after doing this 3 times, going on the fourth now, you still don’t know. That scares me a little. I’ve been slightly unprepared before a cycle before, no ones perfect.. However, prior to running test for the first time, I read 1 hour minimum per day for an entire year. That way, I didn’t get gyno, or ED, or high blood pressure, or any other side effect that could potentially arise. I wouldn’t think of running another cycle until you first get your hormones checked. You may not want to take another chip out of your natural production at this point. And start reading. For cycle #4, you really shouldn’t be asking these questions still.

No need to be sorry I agree with you and do accept full responsibility for those poor decisions. I did those 3 cycles when I was young and stupid - I should've done my homework and researched like you did beforehand. It's now 5 years later and I'm on here to help educate myself before starting my next cycle.

But I do think for a doctor to call themselves a doctor he should be knowledgeable enough in his field so that if someone is on steroids and has negative side effects, he can point them in the right direction as far as getting their body back in check. Instead of telling them to stop cold turkey like he did to me. In my opinion he's not doing his job, regardless of me not knowing how to use steroids at that time. That's the only reason I said that...but again like I said you're right if I knew what I was doing from the start I would've never been in that position.

 

[Matthersby]

Well, I’m not here to scold you, or make you feel lousy, we are here to help you with whatever research we’ve done or experience we have that will benefit you. I have made plenty of decisions that put me on hormone therapy at 37 years old.

I really feel you should get a comprehensive hormone panel done, post it on here, and if your number are bad, see an endocrinologist. You will find that there are gym rats here that have a far better understanding of the intricate balance of exogenous hormones than a lot of doctors do. I wouldn’t trust the guidance of most Docs that don’t specialize in hormone therapy, so I agree with what you’re saying about your experience with your Doctor.
Sorry again, I’ll be here to help you.

 

[cody199477]

Run an ai and take in less sodium to reduce bloat or run a lower dose. Spread out injection throughout the week

 

[younghustler6]

Well, I’m not here to scold you, or make you feel lousy, we are here to help you with whatever research we’ve done or experience we have that will benefit you. I have made plenty of decisions that put me on hormone therapy at 37 years old.

I really feel you should get a comprehensive hormone panel done, post it on here, and if your number are bad, see an endocrinologist. You will find that there are gym rats here that have a far better understanding of the intricate balance of exogenous hormones than a lot of doctors do. I wouldn’t trust the guidance of most Docs that don’t specialize in hormone therapy, so I agree with what you’re saying about your experience with your Doctor.
Sorry again, I’ll be here to help you.

Yea definitely nice to get pointers from people who have experience on here other than doing my own reading. I appreciate it thanks!

 

[younghustler6]

I went to get bloodwork done tonight. Only thing is I've been on a test booster (HCGenerate) for the past month. Which means the test results may not be 100% true. Do you think I should stop the test booster and get another blood test in a month from now so it shows true levels? This is what the doc is recommending which sounds about right...I still need to get my hands on arimidex anyways before I start

 

[Rocinante]

If you want to really decrease side effects on your next cycle, increase injection frequency. Test levels peak and fall depending on the ester and injection frequency. You get more sides from severe peaks and drops in levels. If you did test e every 3 days as opposed to a larger dose once a week, your levels would be more consistent, and less sides. Optimally you could do it every other day, though that might not be practical

 

[younghustler6]

Hey guys, so I had a hormone panel done a couple weeks ago. A little late with the results, I went through a TRT specialist and they didn't give me the results until I met with them today. They had me take 2 blood tests since my testosterone levels were below normal in the first panel (281.6). In the second panel my testosterone levels were in the normal range but still on the lower side.
Here are my results:
sex form. bind. 25
LH 5.6
FSH 8.8
Prolactin serum 7.4
estradiol 19.28
folic acid 21.3
testosterone 374
FT4 1.26
TSH 1.4

I am starting test e 300mg twice a week and using 1mg of arimidex on days of injections. I'm finding different answers on how much arimidex to take. Some saying 1mg everyday, some 1mg eod, some 1mg twice a week. I have gotten gyno in past cycle what do you think would be best for me, should I add anything to this cycle?

 

[christ83189]

Hey guys, so I had a hormone panel done a couple weeks ago. A little late with the results, I went through a TRT specialist and they didn't give me the results until I met with them today. They had me take 2 blood tests since my testosterone levels were below normal in the first panel (281.6). In the second panel my testosterone levels were in the normal range but still on the lower side.
Here are my results:
sex form. bind. 25
LH 5.6
FSH 8.8
Prolactin serum 7.4
estradiol 19.28
folic acid 21.3
testosterone 374
FT4 1.26
TSH 1.4

I am starting test e 300mg twice a week and using 1mg of arimidex on days of injections. I'm finding different answers on how much arimidex to take. Some saying 1mg everyday, some 1mg eod, some 1mg twice a week. I have gotten gyno in past cycle what do you think would be best for me, should I add anything to this cycle?

Idk man everyone is differemt but that seems like alot. I was taking .25mg e3.5d on 600mg test a week. Im supposed to take it with my trt too but i usually dont. Idk might be different for you. I know alot of people that do aromatize heavily. Honestly if youre prone i would start with .5mg the day after injections only and go from there. Crashing your e2 sucks. If nips start to get itchy then up it. Maybe some of the more experienced gyno experts will help out here lol

 

[younghustler6]

Idk man everyone is differemt but that seems like alot. I was taking .25mg e3.5d on 600mg test a week. Im supposed to take it with my trt too but i usually dont. Idk might be different for you. I know alot of people that do aromatize heavily. Honestly if youre prone i would start with .5mg the day after injections only and go from there. Crashing your e2 sucks. If nips start to get itchy then up it. Maybe some of the more experienced gyno experts will help out here lol

Appreciate the response. Yea this is true everyone is different. I guess the better way to ask it is how would you adjust arimidex dosage if gyno starts to flare up...thanks again

 

[christ83189]

Appreciate the response. Yea this is true everyone is different. I guess the better way to ask it is how would you adjust arimidex dosage if gyno starts to flare up...thanks again

Well i would start just day after injections. If gyno starts to flare up move up to eod. If it persists i would up dosage a bit. If it still persists go to every day. Although i would try to avoid that but i know peopke who have had to dose it every day

 

[Matthersby]

Did someone say Gyno?!?!?! Let me enlighten you, good sir...

 

[Matthersby]

Adex doesn’t do enough for me, but start at recommended dose and be ready to ramp up until nipples are not itching or throbbing whatsoever. If you’ve ramped it up 5-6 times to no avail, order some Letro.

 

[Whisky]

Hey guys, so I had a hormone panel done a couple weeks ago. A little late with the results, I went through a TRT specialist and they didn't give me the results until I met with them today. They had me take 2 blood tests since my testosterone levels were below normal in the first panel (281.6). In the second panel my testosterone levels were in the normal range but still on the lower side.
Here are my results:
sex form. bind. 25
LH 5.6
FSH 8.8
Prolactin serum 7.4
estradiol 19.28
folic acid 21.3
testosterone 374
FT4 1.26
TSH 1.4

I am starting test e 300mg twice a week and using 1mg of arimidex on days of injections. I'm finding different answers on how much arimidex to take. Some saying 1mg everyday, some 1mg eod, some 1mg twice a week. I have gotten gyno in past cycle what do you think would be best for me, should I add anything to this cycle?

I think (im no expert) that some of the confusion may be in relation to context.....an ai can be used to

A) prevent gyno/control e
B) get rid of gyno

As a preventative measure the dose is likely to be lower whereas guys will dose higher to get rid of gyno when it crops up.

Personally when using trest i waited until gyno signs actually appeared before i started a low dose (low as bloat was only sign - no nipple issues).

Doses are very individual though, most of the guys running higher amounts are probably very experienced and know thats the amount they need.

Personally id start on the low side when signs appear and increase. Crashing your e is as bad or worse than it being high.....

 

[CatSnake]

Hey guys, so I had a hormone panel done a couple weeks ago. A little late with the results, I went through a TRT specialist and they didn't give me the results until I met with them today. They had me take 2 blood tests since my testosterone levels were below normal in the first panel (281.6). In the second panel my testosterone levels were in the normal range but still on the lower side.
Here are my results:
sex form. bind. 25
LH 5.6
FSH 8.8
Prolactin serum 7.4
estradiol 19.28
folic acid 21.3
testosterone 374
FT4 1.26
TSH 1.4

I am starting test e 300mg twice a week and using 1mg of arimidex on days of injections. I'm finding different answers on how much arimidex to take. Some saying 1mg everyday, some 1mg eod, some 1mg twice a week. I have gotten gyno in past cycle what do you think would be best for me, should I add anything to this cycle?

I'd cut the a-dex dose in half. take it at least a couple hours after your injection.... I try to do the shots in the AM, and the a-dex in the PM....

 

[Brenwad]

We've all been there and done a bad cycle or two in a mad rush for gains...

Personally, very few estro sides from running up to a gram of test per week. I do take 60 mgs of pregnenelone per day, and always have right from starting using exogenous test 7 years ago at the age of 29. Why? Because multi time NABBA Mr Universe, Gary Lister, told me to. Cheap and effective way if helping your body reach some kind of stasis.

I've helped many ppl plan cycles, and retro issues are common when using test Obvs, and the most effective on cycle drug I've had success with is epistane, 20mgs per day for a sub 200lb man, or 30/40 for bigger guys.

Using as much arimidex as you state will be over kill. You need some aromitisation to have proper sexual functioning. If you are really prone to gyno you should have the glands cut out by a surgeon.