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How to convince my doc I need HCG with my TRT?

testnoob

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I'm on week 5 of my protocol. So far, I've been getting 150mg Test-cyp per week. Next week I have blood work done again and then the doctor hopes to move me down to 100mg per week. From what I've read, HCG is important if you want to have a chance at fertility, and possibly necessary to realize the improved mood/libido from TRT. My doctor is open to discussing changes to my protocol, but he claims that he doesn't like prescribing HCG because "we don't really know how it works".

Can anyone chime in on a) whether I should be incorporating HCG into my protocol and b) what papers I can show my doctor to get him on board, if so?

Thanks!
 
testnoob said:
I'm on week 5 of my protocol. So far, I've been getting 150mg Test-cyp per week. Next week I have blood work done again and then the doctor hopes to move me down to 100mg per week. From what I've read, HCG is important if you want to have a chance at fertility, and possibly necessary to realize the improved mood/libido from TRT. My doctor is open to discussing changes to my protocol, but he claims that he doesn't like prescribing HCG because "we don't really know how it works".

Can anyone chime in on a) whether I should be incorporating HCG into my protocol and b) what papers I can show my doctor to get him on board, if so?

Thanks!
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UHHHHH WHAT? "We dont really know how it works"??? You ****ing with me?

Sounds like your doctor needs to go back to medschool or update his prehistoric ass with some recent medical research.

If I was you, id bring a stack of scientific articles and drop em on his desk. "Here punk, EDUCATE YOUR ASS"

hCG is used for fertility ON THE REGULAR and TRT will suppress sperm production really hard. If you want to have kids and you need TRT, your doctor would be negligent not to prescribe you hCG for fertility purposes.

Took me 5 seconds but here is a pretty good one: Invalid Link Removed

Search through pubmed and youll come across a ****load of articles.
 
If you want to maintain fertility, you absolutely need to be using hCG. I was on TRT without hCG for a while. My wife and I tried unsuccessfully to get pregnant for at least 6 months during this time. I then started using hCG 3 times a week and my wife was pregnant within 2 months. I still use it to this day because I want to be able to have at least one more child in the future.

Tell your doctor that fathering a child is very important to you, and that TRT without hCG could very well make this impossible for you (which is absolutely true). Unfortunately, you may have to look for a doctor that is more flexible.
 
How about just taking Syntheselen and get the metabolic benefits of that AND increased LH secretion but without the negative feedback loop that HCG has.

I'm about 15-20 years ahead of the medical industry. Eventually they will discover that exogenous ATP is not only benefitial for fat-burning, increased metabolism and muscular performance and recovery but also st boosting LH output while on exogenous steroids.

Go to Synthetek's website for more info on it. All the research references are there. Best yet, you don't need his approval for this class of supplement.
 
I am not a huge fan of HCG but if youre just talking about TRT and getting HCG, What you need to do: 1 Dont let him cut you to 100mg a week. make sure you either drink, stay up all night, or any thing that lowers T levels for when you take your fallowup. Next If you want Hcg just keep an ice pack on your balls previsit, then complain that your balls hurt when you, cum, when you shower, when you sit, wheneverything. Plenty of docs don't believe in HCG but since there is no other pharma angle they must give it to you just make it out like your going to die cuz your balls are so small.
 
fueledpassion said:
How about just taking Syntheselen and get the metabolic benefits of that AND increased LH secretion but without the negative feedback loop that HCG has.

I'm about 15-20 years ahead of the medical industry. Eventually they will discover that exogenous ATP is not only benefitial for fat-burning, increased metabolism and muscular performance and recovery but also st boosting LH output while on exogenous steroids.

Go to Synthetek's website for more info on it. All the research references are there. Best yet, you don't need his approval for this class of supplement.
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Do you think these would work to accelerate HPTA recovery during PCT?
 
Most certainly. How much exactly? Hard to tell. Stuff really improves stamina in the gym though and strength will shoot up about 5-10% and hold from day one or two of dosing it. Other than Painless Pumps, this stuff is probably the best non-hormonal injection supplement you can take. Boosts LH output. Increases performance. Speeds recovery and fat loss or will contribute to build muscle mass if you are trying to bulk.

Seriously man. I don't rep companies for pay. I only rep what has worked for me. It's annoying to administer daily but I'm in a different boat. I inject other stuff daily so I'm already annoyed by the time it takes to do those. If I only had to take Syntheselen, it wouldn't be bad at all. Probably 2mL/day, rotated to the muscle being trained, such as pecs, arms, lats, shoulders and quads. Bilateral injections I guess.

A good non-HCG protocol to boost LH production would be:

Syntheselen
Botanical Craft Palm Fruit
Zinc

And maybe once every 10-12 weeks you take a single, large dose of HCG, like 2000-5000mcg all at once to fluff them up if you need to.
 
fueledpassion said:
Most certainly. How much exactly? Hard to tell. Stuff really improves stamina in the gym though and strength will shoot up about 5-10% and hold from day one or two of dosing it. Other than Painless Pumps, this stuff is probably the best non-hormonal injection supplement you can take. Boosts LH output. Increases performance. Speeds recovery and fat loss or will contribute to build muscle mass if you are trying to bulk.

Seriously man. I don't rep companies for pay. I only rep what has worked for me. It's annoying to administer daily but I'm in a different boat. I inject other stuff daily so I'm already annoyed by the time it takes to do those. If I only had to take Syntheselen, it wouldn't be bad at all. Probably 2mL/day, rotated to the muscle being trained, such as pecs, arms, lats, shoulders and quads. Bilateral injections I guess.

A good non-HCG protocol to boost LH production would be:

Syntheselen
Botanical Craft Palm Fruit
Zinc

And maybe once every 10-12 weeks you take a single, large dose of HCG, like 2000-5000mcg all at once to fluff them up if you need to.
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Can this stuff be used SubQ with slin pins? If so I might just get a bottle to supercharge my upcoming already supercharged PCT haha
 
hazard12 said:
Can this stuff be used SubQ with slin pins? If so I might just get a bottle to supercharge my upcoming already supercharged PCT haha
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Yep. But you might want to spread the stuff out over 3-4 spots. It's water based but 2-3mL in one spot sub-q is gonna leave a lump for a few days and be sore.

I'd probably just stick it in the butt fat, shoulders, triceps and pecs with the slin pin. If you are less than 10-12% BF, you can reach muscle tissue in some of those areas with a slin pin.
 
fueledpassion said:
Yep. But you might want to spread the stuff out over 3-4 spots. It's water based but 2-3mL in one spot sub-q is gonna leave a lump for a few days and be sore.
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Gotcha. And this would have to be dosed daily right? so id be looking at 3-4 pokes a day just from this alone xD
 
hazard12 said:
Gotcha. And this would have to be dosed daily right? so id be looking at 3-4 pokes a day just from this alone xD
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Well, probably best to dose daily but you could do EOD or E3D and still benefit from it but you'd just have to take a bit more. It could quickly become your new preWO though because it has a banned substance in it that is known to enhance physical performance. For instance, not to mention ATP itself being an obvious performance enhancement but also Heptaminol for increased calcium uptake, higher BP and stimulant-like (very mild though) abilities.

And if you did it the way I suggest, which is 2mL per day, two pokes would do just fine. One mL in each site, bilateral. The dosing scheme actually calls for 3-4mL per day but I'd rather take less for longer periods of time. More manageable on the paraphenalia side of things.
 
Welp, you convinced me. I will be adding this to my PCT. I need to bounce back from at 13wk cycle within 3 weeks due to a short trip I will be taking where I cant bring all my stuff (i might just bring some clomid with me) so if this can give me a leg up, im in. Im actually gonna be posting bloods 1 week after I start PCT so well see how this and all the other stuff work together.
 
I'm sorry but the idea of injecting some random thing bought off a website into my body daily (multiple times a day, even!) sounds nuts. I wouldn't trust testosterone that wasn't from a legit pharmacy, so this Syntheselen sets off all kinds of alarms.
 
testnoob said:
I'm sorry but the idea of injecting some random thing bought off a website into my body daily (multiple times a day, even!) sounds nuts. I wouldn't trust testosterone that wasn't from a legit pharmacy, so this Syntheselen sets off all kinds of alarms.
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Lol welcome to the game, looks like TRT is as far as you go tho.
 
testnoob said:
I'm sorry but the idea of injecting some random thing bought off a website into my body daily (multiple times a day, even!) sounds nuts. I wouldn't trust testosterone that wasn't from a legit pharmacy, so this Syntheselen sets off all kinds of alarms.
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Good for you. The condescending talk is not needed. You act like we just randomly pick crap out and inject it lol. There are drugs, companies and protocols out there well known to more avid users that beginners know nothing about. There was a time when I was scared to buy research chems from a website for fear of the Feds knocking on my door. (I need a face palm emoticon right now)

If you just want to be scared and fearful about everything, how about being scared of the fact that there is no practical way to verify OTC stuff as being what they say it is. Scared of non-pharma grade test? Scared of a company that has existed for 20-30 years selling IM preparations of products? You do realize that all they need is just ONE single horror story with those IM preparations to be shut down or lose their customer base. Yet, decades later, and tens of thousands of customers later, they are still thriving.

The point is that your argument is inconsistent at best. It's just fine that you don't want to stick anything outside of FDa approved products into your body. But you didn't post to tell is that. You posted because you disagreed with us and wanted us to see it like you do. In that case, you need a more compelling argument than just your fear. I'm not an advocate of stupid, reckless decisions and behaviors but something even worse than that is closing myself off because I fear so much could happen. Sorry for the rant bud but you and I both know this was a subtle attempt by you to backhand us on a subject you clearly haven't researched or experienced yourself.
 
I did not mean to sway anyone or be condescending. I'm sorry if it came off that way. I just want to feel better (which for me would be back to my pre-hypogonadism feelings of libido and energy) and be healthy long-term. I'm not trying to compete or anything like that, so you can understand that what you suggested sounds bad for my personal goals on the risk vs reward spectrum. You go ahead and do what you think is best for you.

Does anyone else have info on HCG and getting the doctor on board?

Is it possible to not take HCG now, and take it in a few years when I decide to try for another kid? Or would not being on it along with my TRT for so long mean that it won't work? Because if it will work, I can understand why the doctor wouldn't want me taking it now when I don't need it.
 
testnoob said:
I did not mean to sway anyone or be condescending. I'm sorry if it came off that way. I just want to feel better (which for me would be back to my pre-hypogonadism feelings of libido and energy) and be healthy long-term. I'm not trying to compete or anything like that, so you can understand that what you suggested sounds bad for my personal goals on the risk vs reward spectrum. You go ahead and do what you think is best for you.

Does anyone else have info on HCG and getting the doctor on board?

Is it possible to not take HCG now, and take it in a few years when I decide to try for another kid? Or would not being on it along with my TRT for so long mean that it won't work? Because if it will work, I can understand why the doctor wouldn't want me taking it now when I don't need it.
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Question: Why come here for TRT specific questions when you can go to TRT forums?

Our expertise with stuff like that is tightly linked to how it fits into the AAS world. The answers you get here are going to be related to AAS use. Just seems less than optimal.
 
I'd love it if you could direct me to some better places. As you can see I'm new to this and while this forum isn't TRT specific there is a lot of useful info for someone on just TRT. But I'd be happy to post elsewhere if you can direct me.
 
fueledpassion said:
How about just taking Syntheselen and get the metabolic benefits of that AND increased LH secretion but without the negative feedback loop that HCG has.

I'm about 15-20 years ahead of the medical industry. Eventually they will discover that exogenous ATP is not only benefitial for fat-burning, increased metabolism and muscular performance and recovery but also st boosting LH output while on exogenous steroids.

Go to Synthetek's website for more info on it. All the research references are there. Best yet, you don't need his approval for this class of supplement.
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Yo dude, I just started using synthaselen, I did 2ml in belly fat and the spots are kinda swollen. It gave me a weird feeling when I applied it, it reminded me a bit of clen which im not super crazy about. Im prolly gonna go down to 1ml/day or maybe ill try to use the slin for shoulders since they need some swolling anyways haha
 
fueledpassion said:
How about just taking Syntheselen and get the metabolic benefits of that AND increased LH secretion but without the negative feedback loop that HCG has.

I'm about 15-20 years ahead of the medical industry. Eventually they will discover that exogenous ATP is not only benefitial for fat-burning, increased metabolism and muscular performance and recovery but also st boosting LH output while on exogenous steroids.

Go to Synthetek's website for more info on it. All the research references are there. Best yet, you don't need his approval for this class of supplement.
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So it's ok to use Syntheselen along with trt? Will it give the libido and mood enhancing benefits like hcg does?
 
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