It's been a really long time since I used it, but the old oral 1andro at 330mg a day I wanna say about the 3 week mark I started noticing negative sides, lower libido and unmotivated, but also a little increase in strength. That's how it stayed till the end of the cycle. Not a fan. Did it twice, once with 4 Andro and another time with 4andro and epiandro which was a little better cus that took away the side effects and gave me more energy but still nothing special other then a little boost in strength. I know some guys back then we're saying do 1and 4 Andro at 440-660 each for 8-12 weeks to let it shine but I couldn't justify the cost so I bought 2 vials of test instead lol