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How long and what to expect from test e

Experienced users almost always seem to down play a test only cycle. Before I ever did my first cycle (test e and dbol) I was told dont do test, you'll blow up like a bag o' popcorn. Being a lean hard gainer that didnt sound so bad to me. Fast forward to mid cycle: on top of the world. Strength was through the roof and being a lean guy, bloating was no issue. My gains were obvious and I had no reason to desire stacking anything with the test. I went on to do several more similar cycles and am just now starting to stack on what will be my 6th cycle. Moral of the story is everyone's different, I got sensitive nipples that first cycle but since then have not gone through any extreme sides aside from sleep loss and being hot, oh and my traps touching my ears. Do a test and dbol cycle, eat like a pig and train balls to the wall. It's your first cycle, and you'll fall in love especially if you have good oil with minimum pip
 
wmass413 said:
Experienced users almost always seem to down play a test only cycle. Before I ever did my first cycle (test e and dbol) I was told dont do test, you'll blow up like a bag o' popcorn. Being a lean hard gainer that didnt sound so bad to me. Fast forward to mid cycle: on top of the world. Strength was through the roof and being a lean guy, bloating was no issue. My gains were obvious and I had no reason to desire stacking anything with the test. I went on to do several more similar cycles and am just now starting to stack on what will be my 6th cycle. Moral of the story is everyone's different, I got sensitive nipples that first cycle but since then have not gone through any extreme sides aside from sleep loss and being hot, oh and my traps touching my ears. Do a test and dbol cycle, eat like a pig and train balls to the wall. It's your first cycle, and you'll fall in love especially if you have good oil with minimum pip
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Not downplaying test just downplaying a high test dosage. Everyone recommend to use test in any cycle. The thing is that injecting test will make you a superior you and that can't be denied. However starting a test cycle at 500 is to me a quite large amount with not much more gains than one at 300. I now from personal experience would never run a test only cycle just because I can add something equally mild with better gains and easier to keep like primo or if I wanna go against the rules add deca at a low dosage.

I like the idea of getting an idea what each compound does to you but to run cycles like this -> 1. test only 2. Test and winstrol 3. Test winstrol deca 4. Test winstrol deca var 5. Test tren deca winstrol 6. Test tren deca winstrol eq.

Instead of 3 hard-core cycles
(half as many )
will actually keep your cholesterol, blood pressure etc higher for twice the amount of time. I mean that has to count for something regardless of how stupid It is to run tren your first cycle.
 
Chados said:
Not downplaying test just downplaying a high test dosage. Everyone recommend to use test in any cycle. The thing is that injecting test will make you a superior you and that can't be denied. However starting a test cycle at 500 is to me a quite large amount with not much more gains than one at 300. I now from personal experience would never run a test only cycle just because I can add something equally mild with better gains and easier to keep like primo or if I wanna go against the rules add deca at a low dosage.

I like the idea of getting an idea what each compound does to you but to run cycles like this -> 1. test only 2. Test and winstrol 3. Test winstrol deca 4. Test winstrol deca var 5. Test tren deca winstrol 6. Test tren deca winstrol eq.

Instead of 3 hard-core cycles
(half as many )
will actually keep your cholesterol, blood pressure etc higher for twice the amount of time. I mean that has to count for something regardless of how stupid It is to run tren your first cycle.
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These sides are all dose depending. Many compounds have much higher androgenic rating which can do worse than test to lipid levels etc. But I do agree low dose cycles are better
 
monsterish said:
These sides are all dose depending. Many compounds have much higher androgenic rating which can do worse than test to lipid levels etc. But I do agree low dose cycles are better
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Sure you can run test all life for what it's matters but when we're starting to dose test to an abnormal range far above what one would produce naturally (this will most certainly be needed) if you're planning on becoming some type of bodybuilder. Maybe we will end up with 1gr test or 2gr, then it's not healthy at all and we won't compete with the guys doing tren and hgh that's for sure.

All I'm saying is that people who wants to do cycles back and forth might wanna start high and go lower instead of the other way around. Faster gains/less cycles.. let's be honest nobody is obligated to ever run tren or superdrol but many will. if you're planning just to get a nice body and gain 25-50lbs and then go natural, why not just do 3 hard-core cycles instead of 10 small ones starting with 5 oral only cycles? And keeping cholesterol at a high level for years rather than months?

I'm not competing and it doesn't interest me but had I known what I now know I would have saved myself a whole lot of money/time and possibly health.

If you can keep yourself to only do mild cycles and be happy and planning on running it forever then go for it, then safety will surely be on your side compared to people running nandrolones every cycle regardless of gains.
 
Chados said:
Haha, too many jacked up people on this site to have a conversation without someone being offended
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I'm not offended, I'm just shocked that someone would say adex and aromisin have nothing to do with E2 when absolutitly everyone on every forum would say you need to take one or the other or both to control Estrogen on cycle
 
Hyde said:
I am not talking morality. I’m saying it’s a fact that blood gets donated that shouldn’t, and it’s not checked.
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Yeah thats a tricky one.

On one hand, the amount of AAS in any given donation I do is obviously a fraction of what is in my blood in total; is it enough to actually have a significant effect on a recipient?

On the other hand I do respect the response "but as a recipient I should expect 'clean' blood, thats a basic given!"
 
heckler7 said:
I'm not offended, I'm just shocked that someone would say adex and aromisin have nothing to do with E2 when absolutitly everyone on every forum would say you need to take one or the other or both to control Estrogen on cycle
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Why don’t you re read what i wrote.. then read what you wrote and you will understand how silly it sounds..
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Why don’t you re read what i wrote.. then read what you wrote and you will understand how silly it sounds..
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you said neither affects estrogen right. And I said if you are on a heavy cycle like test,tren,dbol I run both aromisin destroy the aromitaze enzyme and by doing so destroys estrogen attached to the enzyme, adex binds with estrogen but has no effect on peripheral aromatization for compounds like dbol and doesnt control bloating and cramping. that is why I use both and suggested to try it cause I have better luck with more advanced cycles
 
heckler7 said:
you said neither affects estrogen right. And I said if you are on a heavy cycle like test,tren,dbol I run both aromisin destroy the aromitaze enzyme and by doing so destroys estrogen attached to the enzyme, adex binds with estrogen but has no effect on peripheral aromatization for compounds like dbol and doesnt control bloating and cramping. that is why I use both and suggested to try it cause I have better luck with more advanced cycles
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No i said neither compound interacts directly with estrogen, which they don’t given they are aromatase inhibitors. One a suicidal and one a competitive inhibitor.

Anyways your explanation is my case in point. I see you in threads dishing out aggressively against other posters opinions, when you seem to not grasp how things work...

Maybe hang around a bit and learn before going on the offensive, jus sayn’
 
NoAddedHmones said:
No i said neither compound interacts directly with estrogen, which they don’t given they are aromatase inhibitors. One a suicidal and one a competitive inhibitor.

Anyways your explanation is my case in point. I see you in threads dishing out aggressively against other posters opinions, when you seem to not grasp how things work...

Maybe hang around a bit and learn before going on the offensive, jus sayn’
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so basically I provided a very simple explination to help some people, and I was right, but you pick out a technically to say I was wrong but never expressed why even tho in the simplest of terms I was right and you added nothing to this conversation other than to troll.you wasted everyones time here. bottom line you take adex your estrogen on your labs will be lower, yes it directly effects estrogen
 
Hyde said:
Guys do it whenever. They don’t check the blood. There are countless pints of blood carrying exogenous androgens out there and if you have had a blood transfusion hopefully you got the good stuff lol

I am not talking morality. I’m saying it’s a fact that blood gets donated that shouldn’t, and it’s not checked.
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This is hilarious :) I wonder how it's done in my country, I'll do some checking.
 
Stop the e fighting and let’s continue on this thread. It’s a really good topic that does not get talked about enough.
 
John0 said:
So this fri im getting a sherdding compound and even thinking hopping off of the test E to P with and stcking somthing elea open for ideas ??
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what do you mean shredding compound? Shredding is based on diet. Unless you take Tren where it just defies all logic lol
 
Georgiepecker said:
what do you mean shredding compound? Shredding is based on diet. Unless you take Tren where it just defies all logic lol
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Lol i did consider tren but after researching it no way...but yes besides dieting and working out something to stack with test P to help along the process
 
I always wonder why people think tren is terrible when it comes to sides. It’s actually fairly side free with the right supports. Tren is king
 
LGTWHIT said:
I always wonder why people think tren is terrible when it comes to sides. It’s actually fairly side free with the right supports. Tren is king
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Yah i hard great stuff about with out a doubt its the best out their but im new to this and dont want to over do it
 
I would go like this:

First 4 weeks small dose dbol kicker. 20 mg's
First 10 weeks test cyp 350 mg's
Last 4 weeks small dose anavar 25 - 50 mg's
Last 2 weeks test prop 350 mg's

This is the first cycle I wish I would have done. It's light, but for a first time user should be A LOT imo. And it satisfies the curiosity of a first time user (if you are that kind of a person) as it has lot's of compouds for you to experiment with. Also: first 4 weeks the test wont kick in yet, so you will experience mostly dbol by it self. Then the next 4 weeks test will kick in and you will experience only test and the last 4 weeks the same goes with anavar. Prop is there so pct can start quicker.

You might change dbol for tbol so you can see how much you aromatise test, but tbol wont kick in so soon.
 
Jinsun said:
I would go like this:

First 4 weeks small dose dbol kicker. 20 mg's
First 10 weeks test cyp 350 mg's
Last 2 weeks small dose anavar 25 - 50 mg's
Last 2 weeks test prop 350 mg's

This is the first cycle I wish I would have done. It's light, but for a first time user should be A LOT imo. And it satisfies the curiosity of a first time user (if you are that kind of a person) as it has lot's of compouds for you to experiment with.
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I appreciate your time and info...and will really look at this after work its not my first time i ran test p about 7 months ago and im looking for fast result thats why i was considering tren
 
John0 said:
I appreciate your time and info...and will really look at this after work its not my first time i ran test p about 7 months ago and im looking for fast result thats why i was considering tren
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Ok, sorry I missed that. Just fyi you quoted my post before I had a chance to finish it.
 
LGTWHIT said:
I always wonder why people think tren is terrible when it comes to sides. It’s actually fairly side free with the right supports. Tren is king
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Only way you can remove anxiety paranoia and night sweats is by lowering the dosage. Id argue that way more than half of the tren users using 400 mg and above will get these sides.
 
John0 said:
Lol i did consider tren but after researching it no way...but yes besides dieting and working out something to stack with test P to help along the process
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Id use something like Tbol or anavar personally

like this:

Week 1-6 Tbol 80mg
Week 1-16 Test
Week 12-16 anavar 50-100mg (idk dosage for anavar)

Perfect cycle for cutting and building muscle
 
heckler7 said:
this is true, you can bulk on tren too but if your lean you'll look more shredded
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Bulk is for people wanting to add fat and water. Nothing beats tren in lean muscle, only reason people don't add much weight is cause they're eating too little on tren and the nutrient partioning will basicallt get rid of water and fat while other steroids won't in the same way. You'll still end up with more muscles than deca, anadrol etc
 
Great thread! I'm fixi n to do my first cycle after vacation in June. Got 2 test E vials in hand. Was planning on the recomended 500mg a week. But I'm rethinking now. Maybe lesser test and rad or s23. Maybe dbol! To much to think about but I want to make a good choice.
 
Ivery said:
Great thread! I'm fixi n to do my first cycle after vacation in June. Got 2 test E vials in hand. Was planning on the recomended 500mg a week. But I'm rethinking now. Maybe lesser test and rad or s23. Maybe dbol! To much to think about but I want to make a good choice.
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I definitely is the men on here are great..and this thread is full of so much info you wont get anywhere else
 
I just ran my first ever cycle. test e 250 mg/wk for 16 wks. Great gains in size and strength. Gained a solid 15 lbs and stayed pretty lean the hole time, all lifts increased in weight.Coupled the first 8 with 15 mg of rad-140 and switched to 20mg ostarine for the second 8wks. Last pin was this past Thursday. Felt great the entire time. Minimum sides
 
Chados said:
Bulk is for people wanting to add fat and water. Nothing beats tren in lean muscle, only reason people don't add much weight is cause they're eating too little on tren and the nutrient partioning will basicallt get rid of water and fat while other steroids won't in the same way. You'll still end up with more muscles than deca, anadrol etc
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big true, easy come easy go that water doesnt equal muscle gain. cracks me up when people are posting " week 1 up 10lbs"
 
Ivery said:
Great thread! I'm fixi n to do my first cycle after vacation in June. Got 2 test E vials in hand. Was planning on the recomended 500mg a week. But I'm rethinking now. Maybe lesser test and rad or s23. Maybe dbol! To much to think about but I want to make a good choice.
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Dbol might be better to switch for a non estrogenic compound, easier to deal with and less to no bloat depending on diet. S23 hasn't gotten that much good reviews cause it's new and people arguing it being dangerous. It all depends on goals though but tbol,halodrol,epistane,anavar,primo,eq could be easy and good on a first cycle.
 
John0 said:
So this fri im getting a sherdding compound and even thinking hopping off of the test E to P with and stcking somthing elea open for ideas ??
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I find staying lean is easier on test p. Libido is better too IMO.
Test p is way less bloaty for some reason.
 
Cgkone said:
I find staying lean is easier on test p. Libido is better too IMO.
Test p is way less bloaty for some reason.
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So do you think test p works better then Sos as far as libido and bloating is concerned becouae im running sus and tran A 100 mg every other day now and noticed a drop in libido and im retaing water
 
John0 said:
So do you think test p works better then Sos as far as libido and bloating is concerned becouae im running sus and tran A 100 mg every other day now and noticed a drop in libido and im retaing water
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I'm surprised you retain water with the tren .
The drop in libido is probably from prolactin Rising are you taking something for for prolactin
 
Cgkone said:
I'm surprised you retain water with the tren .
The drop in libido is probably from prolactin Rising are you taking something for for prolactin
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No i thought the sos would help and maybe im still have sides from the test E I was running for 4 weeks intill i started the sos and tren last sunday my source is cool he just never has time to explain **** to me
 
John0 said:
No i thought the sos would help and maybe im still have sides from the test E I was running for 4 weeks intill i started the sos and tren last sunday my source is cool he just never has time to explain **** to me
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Well to be blunt....that's not a sources job.
You know actually, I consider anything over 10 minutes personal training.
You need to get caber or prami. Tren usually comes with raging libido but I think for me it's because I take something for prolactin.
So get you something to control P.
Water could be from estrogen, probably is actually. Do u have an AI?
 
Bloating on tren = too much calories and or too much carbs. It's very easy to bloat of your diet isn't great.
 
John0 said:
Yah retaing water but also running sos and just got off of test e...my Diet is in check
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But what is in check? A lot of carbs doesn't mean a bad diet it just mean not as clean. You go 70% protein 20% carb 10% fat and you can't bloat. Back in the days bodybuilders never went high carb. As long as you have the energy you don't need more carbs. Now the problem with tren is that it's almost impossible not to eat much carbs cause of the nutrient partioning. Test e shouldnt bloat you if you dont run it high and especially with tren.

Tren isn't really a bulker by itself so if you gain 20-30 pounds it's almost certainly water and fat. It still give you more muscles than anything else but it works much better as a recomp. If you want a huge weight gain as clean as possible tren just isn't enough. And by saying all this i dont mean deca beats tren cause it adds more weight. What I'm saying is with tren it's better to aim for 10 pounds and have it all in muscles.

The good things is that it works wonders with high carbs compared to anything else if you want to gain as much size and as little water as possible (not 100% clean) but still very good.
 
Chados said:
But what is in check? A lot of carbs doesn't mean a bad diet it just mean not as clean. You go 70% protein 20% carb 10% fat and you can't bloat. Back in the days bodybuilders never went high carb. As long as you have the energy you don't need more carbs. Now the problem with tren is that it's almost impossible not to eat much carbs cause of the nutrient partioning. Test e shouldnt bloat you if you dont run it high and especially with tren.

Tren isn't really a bulker by itself so if you gain 20-30 pounds it's almost certainly water and fat. It still give you more muscles than anything else but it works much better as a recomp. If you want a huge weight gain as clean as possible tren just isn't enough. And by saying all this i dont mean deca beats tren cause it adds more weight. What I'm saying is with tren it's better to aim for 10 pounds and have it all in muscles.

The good things is that it works wonders with high carbs compared to anything else if you want to gain as much size and as little water as possible (not 100% clean) but still very good.
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Thanks for that info i do intend to put on some weight for the first 3 weeksafter that I want to start cutting and building more muscle
 
Hyde said:
Guys do it whenever. They don’t check the blood. There are countless pints of blood carrying exogenous androgens out there and if you have had a blood transfusion hopefully you got the good stuff lol

I am not talking morality. I’m saying it’s a fact that blood gets donated that shouldn’t, and it’s not checked.
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Been reading through a little. The blood is not used, they simply centrifuge the RBC’s and use them for transfusions. Otherwise folks would be getting heroin, AAS, meth, all kinds of legal ramifications if some drug was floating around in someone’s bloodstream and it was given to a patient with unknown type of response to it. Luckily, there’s nothing to worry about there.
 
Matthersby said:
Been reading through a little. The blood is not used, they simply centrifuge the RBC’s and use them for transfusions. Otherwise folks would be getting heroin, AAS, meth, all kinds of legal ramifications if some drug was floating around in someone’s bloodstream and it was given to a patient with unknown type of response to it. Luckily, there’s nothing to worry about there.
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This makes a lot of sense to me; thank you for the follow up!
 
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