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How do Andros compare with pro-hormones like...

HAMinTheTrap

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M-sten and Halodrol ?

For example, the usual stack run of 6 weeks 330mg of 1-andro + 330mg of 4-andro...

How would that compare to 50mg of halo/ED for 4 weeks?
Or 12mg of m-sten/ED for 4 weeks?

a)in terms of mass gains
b)in terms of unwanted side effects
 
Those doses you listed for Halo and mstrn are too low to see gains hdrol below 75 is a waste, I'd personally start at 100. Msten at least 20mg. At those doses Andros arent close at all, maybe at the lower doses you listed there close but why mess with your hormones for a measly 3-5lbs. If you choose Andros run them 8-10 weeks if you choose Halo you want 6 weeks and 75-100mg
Msten 4 weeks, 6 tops. Start at 20 and maybe bump to 30
 
Dude its like anything, you gotta pay to play. Well, the risk increases with the stronger compounds at least. So, putting sides, err, aside, msten will crap on andros. At least on-cycle gains. Big question is how much you can keep through PCT and beyond.
 
Nac said:
Dude its like anything, you gotta pay to play. Well, the risk increases with the stronger compounds at least. So, putting sides, err, aside, msten will crap on andros. At least on-cycle gains. Big question is how much you can keep through PCT and beyond.
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Yep, too many ppl looking for the "mild" cycle. There a waste of time. If you wanna mess with hormones then make it worth your while
 
Smont said:
Those doses you listed for Halo and mstrn are too low to see gains hdrol below 75 is a waste, I'd personally start at 100. Msten at least 20mg. At those doses Andros arent close at all, maybe at the lower doses you listed there close but why mess with your hormones for a measly 3-5lbs. If you choose Andros run them 8-10 weeks if you choose Halo you want 6 weeks and 75-100mg
Msten 4 weeks, 6 tops. Start at 20 and maybe bump to 30
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The halo and sten doses i mentioned are what is suggested on the bottle... ;)

I wasnt trying to match it with the andros or come up with a mild option.
 
HAMinTheTrap said:
M-sten and Halodrol ?

For example, the usual stack run of 6 weeks 330mg of 1-andro + 330mg of 4-andro...

How would that compare to 50mg of halo/ED for 4 weeks?
Or 12mg of m-sten/ED for 4 weeks?

a)in terms of mass gains
b)in terms of unwanted side effects
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Agree with the points already made although I would suggest that the andros run properly is still a mild cycle but a good one for either a first or for someone not willing to put up with any real sides.

By properly I mean at least 330/330 for 8 weeks (personally I’d add epiandro in at 700-1000 a day).

An 8 week run gave me just over 10lbs pure lbm - I’ll let you know in 4 weeks how much I’ve kept lol
 
Whisky said:
Agree with the points already made although I would suggest that the andros run properly is still a mild cycle but a good one for either a first or for someone not willing to put up with any real sides.

By properly I mean at least 330/330 for 8 weeks (personally I’d add epiandro in at 700-1000 a day).

An 8 week run gave me just over 10lbs pure lbm - I’ll let you know in 4 weeks how much I’ve kept lol
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Which epiandro products are considered the best at the moment?

One other thing to consider is that for 50 bucks you can get enough m-sten to run a proper cycle. But for the andros considering you add epi in there too you would be looking at over 200 to put it together right? Or even over 300 if you consider running cycle support or something. Since its longer, etc..

And like mentioned before, if you are going to play with your hormones, spending more, for getting less out of it, doesnt sound great.

Thats what im trying to balance here... gains/cost/sides... and see what would be best for me
 
HAMinTheTrap said:
Which epiandro products are considered the best at the moment?

One other thing to consider is that for 50 bucks you can get enough m-sten to run a proper cycle. But for the andros considering you add epi in there too you would be looking at over 200 to put it together right? Or even over 300 if you consider running cycle support or something. Since its longer, etc..

And like mentioned before, if you are going to play with your hormones, spending more, for getting less out of it, doesnt sound great.

Thats what im trying to balance here... gains/cost/sides... and see what would be best for me
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If your bringing cost into it that’s definitely a down side of the andros. I used Sparta Cerberus as it was a bit cheaper but OL is also considered good.

For me sides were really not significant though - was my first cycle so a big part was going with something that would get some results but give me the chance to check how I reacted generally, whether I could run a cycle properly etc. Honestly the results exceeded my expectations and next I’ll run havoc and dermatrest so really looking forward to that.

If it’s not your first cycle you’ll probably find the cost of the andros run right not worth it......
 
Msten will pack on the mass.... Just ran it at 28mg for 4 weeks.... Gained 20lbs. Im currently doing PCT and have dropped about 10lbs (water/glycogen)... but the size gain while on it was undeniable. I'm currently holding steady at +10lbs.

Just an example... If your interested, check out my log.

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SwoleNation said:
Msten will pack on the mass.... Just ran it at 28mg for 4 weeks.... Gained 20lbs. Im currently doing PCT and have dropped about 10lbs (water/glycogen)... but the size gain while on it was undeniable. I'm currently holding steady at +10lbs.

Just an example... If your interested, check out my log.

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I’ve been following this as well - good log. Got nanodrol for next year as well on the back of it.....
 
HAMinTheTrap said:
The halo and sten doses i mentioned are what is suggested on the bottle... ;)

I wasnt trying to match it with the andros or come up with a mild option.
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I know those are the bottle recommendation, just about every ph or designer steroids bottle recommendation is too low and won't produce. Many of them are half of what they should be. There's epiandro products that recommend 200mg when u need 500 at bare minimum
 
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