Hopping on TRT with a blast??

[JoeStethics]

Skip to the second paragraph if u only want to help with setting up blast >>>>>>>


Hey guys, i used to post on here a couple years ago, was younger and was really into bodybuilding, i was even blasting and cruising for 2 years using compounds like tren test winny anavar(not deca but npp), heaviest i got was around 250 lbs 16% bodyfat while my peak physique was 230 lbs at 8-9% BF at 6'2 (im 6'3 now, dont know how i kept growing but thank god)
Im currently 24 and yes i started very young because of misinformed coaches and bad guidance, the main issue is i went off everything and have been tryin to recover for almost 3 years now but it would not happen. I tried as many HPTA restart protocols as u could list but came to the realization that i fucked myself with secondary hypogonadism even after several doctors told me that i would need trt(even though the first year no one would give me trt and were trying recovery methods). These 3 years have been miserable and ive been researching into trt and will probably open another thread about it and longevity issues as i do care about health and longevity and would like to go on about this lifestyle in a new and safe way( COMPLETE OPPOSITE of my old methods) im sure if anyone recognizes me from back then by my username they will tell me i told u so
My t level currently is at 374 and would always dip after tryin clomid or nolvadex, and yes i would use hcg before the serms.
Anyways since TRT is being prescribed to me and i will have to deal with eternal pinning i figured i would go into this with a blast.
Now before this sounds irresponsible or risky i still do want the B&C lifestyle but more of like a blast every year or two with compounds that arent harsh (test, anavar, not even dht compounds as i fear prostate issues)



So i was thinking of either goin with 250 mg of test for 8-10 weeks and using anavar for 8 weeks
250 mg test E 1-10 weeks
50-75 mg anavar 1-8 weeks

or possibly bump T to 500 and goin for recomp/lean bulk with maintenance/slight surplus calories instead of cutting on deficit
250 T for deficit vs 500 T for maintenance/slight surplus.


or, and this is where i want ur scientific advice, from the vets especially. Was thinking of takin advantage of my AR receptors being so fresh that they would respond biggg time to anything, even with low T when i get my diet and training right i was lookin juicy and was getting bigger and stronger and would often get fake natty accusation( years of roid did not wear off i guess) 220 lbs at 15-17% i would give myself but was pretty vascular and strong, mind u with 374 T.
So i figured maybe a 16 week blast would blow me tf up since im on trt and could go with 500 mg test 1-16 and anavar for last 6 or 8 and would then go into a deficit to polish up(last 6-8 weeks only)


Test e 500 mg 1-12
250 test 12-16
50-75 mg anavar 12-16
bulk then cut basically which i know isnt very effective but im just tryna get back to as close as i can to my peak physique before cruising/TRT for a long time.
and i could just go with 8 weeks kind of a cut/recomp with anavar(first option) and just wait for next year winter to bulk, which i will most prolly do, but i wanted opinions on AR receptors and wether i should take advantage of how fresh they are if that makes sense?

Current stats( took 3 months off after being at 220 lbs as i mentioned above, and have been back to training for 2.5 months and regained most size and stength but not body weight
6'3
210 lbs
would say 13-16% BF

BTW my normal trt protocol would be 125 mg and will use bloodwork to determine if i need low dose ai or not later on. Thanks to all in advance <3

 

[JoeStethics]

The main question is which of these options do u guys think is the best to utilize and take advantage of hopping back on after years of low T, also if 500 T i will use an AI

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Hey Joe,

All good brother - you're much like me here, except I did this at 35-38, already had the kids, etc. But stat-wise we "overcycled" here and made similar gains and progress, but family/health issue caused me to drop off in 2018... Like you - then I also never recovered (went hypogoniadic), due to the too frequent cycling and whatnot,
"... heaviest i got was around 250 lbs 16% bodyfat while my peak physique was 230 lbs at 8-9% BF at 6'2 (im 6'3 now, dont know how i kept growing but thank god)
Im currently 24 and yes i started very young because of misinformed coaches and bad guidance, the main issue is i went off everything and have been tryin to recover for almost 3 years now but it would not happen. I tried as many HPTA restart protocols as u could list but came to the realization that i fucked myself with secondary hypogonadism even after several doctors told me that i would need trt(even though the first year no one would give me trt and were trying recovery methods). These 3 years have been miserable and ive been researching into trt and will probably open another thread about it and longevity issue "

That's BS on these docs "recovery methods for post steroid cycles" never works.. I had a lady endocrinologist who ran me through a wringer. She did a horrible low-dose test-taper over months to try and see if it "restart my natural production" just left me low T forever... All BS torture, when you've done what we've done... It's time for TRT-4-Life.
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Now to your question:
1.) Test base for "healthy TRT" is around ~100-150mg weekly (get bloodwork for awhile, until 100% stable)
2.) I'd just rock a test base, get your bloodwork (for long-term health) going firstly. Don't screw up TRT "baseline" levels you need for that long-term health
3.) Once TRT + bloodwork baseline and health markers are clean, then come back and cycle, once you have a TRT regimen set... I'm doing that now, I also keep my PH-goodies stash, another IM anabolics ready for when I was good to go base of pyramid wise.
4.) I'd wait on the "anavar cap" cycle, just one round. Just my opinion, if you're new to club TRT-4-Life, obviously you've laid a reasonable low impact starter cycle here... But just saying, get your "normal healthy baseline first"
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Test e 500 mg 1-12
250 test 12-16
50-75 mg anavar 12-16 (wait one round, don't worry about ruining "fresh receptors" if you have a low-dose TRT base... when you add a 2nd anabolic, will still pack a punch)
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*Ceaveat, If you're 24... all other bloodmakers are healthy and rockin, you get to the end of the Test run, then add the anaVar... you're probably fine, I'm just being overly cautious based on your desire do TRT-4-Life smartly.*

Scientific method, collect your control/baseline (self) results on TRT for awhile, then... start adding a 2nd anabolic here and there, to "see the effect".

 

[Smont]

I breezed through the post but the only thing I want to say is wait! You need to spend a decent amount of time getting dialed in. Maybe I missed it but it sounds like you just started trt and it can take 6months or longer for the doc to get your trt right for you. Not to mention that if you start a cycle and get called in for bloodwork there going to see how high your testosterone is and lower your trt dose.

 

[Smont]

Now if your in complete control of your trt, like you decide when you get bloods and your comfortable not knowing what your ideal try dose is then **** it lol.
Don't start your cycles with a oral, save the oral for the end when you need it. Get on a little dose of test like 300-400mg, then if you want after a couple weeks add 200-300mg of masteron or primo, then when your progress stalls after maybe 12 weeks or so add the anavar for another 6 weeks to kick the progress back up. When you start with a oral you are using up your firepower from day 1 and then for the remainder of your cycle your on less gear because the var is gone.

So say your on 150 trt, now double it to 300 to start your cycle or even go straight to 300 test/200mast, then after 6 weeks maybe go 450 test/300mast, then 6 weeks later add var.

That was all theoretical but what I'm getting at is start low and build up as you go along

Also when you start your cycle with a oral your doing all the negative health impacts in the first couple weeks and then your spending the remainder of your cycle with crappy health markers. As opposed to being healthy all cycle and going out with a bang!

 

[JoeStethics]

@Smont @PoSiTiVeFLoW thank you for the great and useful responses guys.
Yeah the logical thing would be to hop on trt to get everything right first, but as Smont said, im actually in full control of this and my doc already knows about my previous steroid usage and i am in full control of my trt dosage and such, as i get it from a pharmacy (testoviron depot by bayer) 250mg/ml amp which is kind of a problem to dose. i could get ugl which is easier to dose and go for 375 for a while with 0.5 adex a week maybe and use it for results then pop anavar in.

@PoSiTiVeFLoW do u not think it is already safe for me to kind of go into this as a blast since i have previous experience with cruising/trt, where its usually 125 mg test/week and when i get bloods i really just check on estrogen and such(other than health markers) my doc btw does not give a **** if im on 2000ng/dl total test haha (he would just advise me to lower it) since the whole trt regimen is in my hands as u could say, i just have the prescription which i use for getting pharma grade and just monitor everything with my doc. My country isn't strict with any of this stuff like trt clinics in the US or canada with rules where they have to source u and lower ur dose and such. And yeh i will go slow maybe even 250 Test to 375 then back it down and add anavar to cut a bit, or either keep it at 375(if ugl tho) and lean bulk(upping calories) still with anavar. Thank you for your help brothers, i appreciate it.

 

[JoeStethics]

Btw brothers, The main reason i want to take advantage of a blast btw is because i was studying in kharkiv,ukraine and unfortunately we have all seen what has happened (im thankfully currently back in my country and safe), so figured until i sort my **** out these couple of months, this is the only free time i will have before goin on pure 100-150 trt regimen for a pretty looong time.

 

[Smont]

On 375 test are you Even going to need adex? I wouldn't. I mean if you need it use it don't just use it for the sake of using it is what I'm getting at

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Btw brothers, The main reason i want to take advantage of a blast btw is because i was studying in kharkiv,ukraine and unfortunately we have all seen what has happened (im thankfully currently back in my country and safe), so figured until i sort my **** out these couple of months, this is the only free time i will have before goin on pure 100-150 trt regimen for a pretty looong time.

Wow, godspeed my man - good thing you were able to relocate.

Ultimately your call, if you feel you have baseline health markers, tracked, established... Then Anavar is pretty mild at the end of a basic Test E run. But yeah, the conservative side of me says, "get time series data" on your baseline, but if you're young 24 / no other health issues (sans the 'roid induced hypogonadism), likely fine.
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[JoeStethics]

On 375 test are you Even going to need adex? I wouldn't. I mean if you need it use it don't just use it for the sake of using it is what I'm getting at

Im usually paranoid because i used to hold a lot of water on test but ill wait till i get bloodwork and see e2. I suppose ur against an AI for 250 mg/week or any 100-150 mg/week trt regimen too then?

 

[JoeStethics]

Wow, godspeed my man - good thing you were able to relocate.

Ultimately your call, if you feel you have baseline health markers, tracked, established... Then Anavar is pretty mild at the end of a basic Test E run. But yeah, the conservative side of me says, "get time series data" on your baseline, but if you're young 24 / no other health issues (sans the 'roid induced hypogonadism), likely fine.
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Thanks man yeah i got pretty lucky and took the warnings seriously since i like to keep up with politics a lot.
And yeah that was my logic behind it that a bit of anavar would just give me a bit of a boost with a bit of test, but i would like to know ur opinion regarding AI's, wether it be the 100-150 mg per week or shooting up to 250mg/week or even 375(i would usually keep one when i go over 300) and as i told Smont before, its mainly for water retention reasons more than anything as i am not prone to gyno.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Thanks man yeah i got pretty lucky and took the warnings seriously since i like to keep up with politics a lot.
And yeah that was my logic behind it that a bit of anavar would just give me a bit of a boost with a bit of test, but i would like to know ur opinion regarding AI's, wether it be the 100-150 mg per week or shooting up to 250mg/week or even 375(i would usually keep one when i go over 300) and as i told Smont before, its mainly for water retention reasons more than anything as i am not prone to gyno.

So I say less drugs per cycle = longer life. If you're not prone to gyno... great, though through continued PED one can get gyno (I did for a bit, took 1.5 years to go away finally, long story.. no surgery, Tren Ace + seizure side effect).

I'd skip the AI, you could just run some other supplements with Test and Anavar to lean out. I mean why not EQ with Test mix, on calorie deficit + extra time on rower daily, usually leans me out pretty well (you're pinning already anyway). Easy on the system is EQ, just watch RBC rise over time at end of cycle.

After I had a seizure in 2018 (poisoned by "Domestic RCs site" bad benzo) my endocrinologist gave me a lot of heck for all the AI abuse (basically ladies anti cancer drugs) once they learned of my THC + benzos + PED use combined. I learned later I had a prolactin response to Tren A, and cycling way too damn much. Yada yada..

Or Armistane, that's another one you could run, as light oral option, 1-Andro also a way to harden up. 10-20mg Cialis / day another tool for pump + lean.

And if you have tried Black Market supps - well Andrenolyn is my new fav pre / They have Cuts series you may might like.

 

[gphagan1]

I agree with Smont and Positiveflow on probably not needing an AI, on lower dose Test. If your diet is dialed in, you probably won’t see much water retention if any.
And praying for that war in Ukraine, that really sucks.

 

[JoeStethics]

So I say less drugs per cycle = longer life. If you're not prone to gyno... great, though through continued PED one can get gyno (I did for a bit, took 1.5 years to go away finally, long story.. no surgery, Tren Ace + seizure side effect).

I'd skip the AI, you could just run some other supplements with Test and Anavar to lean out. I mean why not EQ with Test mix, on calorie deficit + extra time on rower daily, usually leans me out pretty well (you're pinning already anyway). Easy on the system is EQ, just watch RBC rise over time at end of cycle.

After I had a seizure in 2018 (poisoned by "Domestic RCs site" bad benzo) my endocrinologist gave me a lot of heck for all the AI abuse (basically ladies anti cancer drugs) once they learned of my THC + benzos + PED use combined. I learned later I had a prolactin response to Tren A, and cycling way too damn much. Yada yada..

Or Armistane, that's another one you could run, as light oral option, 1-Andro also a way to harden up. 10-20mg Cialis / day another tool for pump + lean.

And if you have tried Black Market supps - well Andrenolyn is my new fav pre / They have Cuts series you may might like.

Hope ur doing well now and are recovering, but would u mind going into more detail telling us what exactly happened with u as u were saying THC+benzos+PEDS made it worse as u were (poisoned by "Domestic RCs site" bad benzo) which caused this seizure?

 

[JoeStethics]

@Smont @PoSiTiVeFLoW @gphagan1 Any thoughts on a 250 test/400 eq 16 week run later on after i get my trt sorted?


But ive read eq can be very toxic to the kidneys and neurotoxic as well, also the blood thickening and high BP, or is it relatively safer at 400 per week, basically what are your thoughts and opinions?

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Hope ur doing well now and are recovering, but would u mind going into more detail telling us what exactly happened with u as u were saying THC+benzos+PEDS made it worse as u were (poisoned by "Domestic RCs site" bad benzo) which caused this seizure?

Oh sure - god is great - full recovery took sometime though!

Issue was I was using/self-prescribing benzos to deal with insomnia and my lack of knowledge how to maintain lower core/spine health in 2015-2017 - that I've now more or less managed through exercise...

Anyway, I hit a peak point of stress and foolishly left my steady use of regular valium or xanax... for "clonazolam" an RC-benzo, basically - Klonopin (Clonazepam) + xanax (Alprazolam)...long story short it's 2.5X stronger than Xanax.

WAS MAGIC for sleep, anxiety, took away (or hid my lower back pain) poor core issues for awhile. And then IRC.BIO dried up and I was not thinking clear, under some other family stress (logged on here back in 2017-2018), didn't get another valium source to taper off. Ooops, big fuckin mistake. Went into a withdrawal and thought.. I could "fight through the symptoms" and then I crashed - like dual grandmal seizure...
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Well supposedly Domestic RC's sold "clonazolam" but it was fake, watered down etizolam at best. I trusted them and I was left to have a double seizure (yeah my own dumb fault), but they're poisoners, the lowest of the LOW. FDA busted them and they got a couple years I think, but they nearly killed me... should get more time.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

@Smont @PoSiTiVeFLoW @gphagan1 Any thoughts on a 250 test/400 eq 16 week run later on after i get my trt sorted?


But ive read eq can be very toxic to the kidneys and neurotoxic as well, also the blood thickening and high BP, or is it relatively safer at 400 per week, basically what are your thoughts and opinions?

Yeah Kidney toxicity - good point - I'll check my bloodwork but I don't think EQ seemed to do me bad there - but then I run it more therapeutic at 200-mg level for joints + strength balance 50:50 with Test E perse.

I'm actually off the EQ now, cause I'm behind on my bloodwork and wasn't sure where my RBC stood.

 

[JoeStethics]

Oh sure - god is great - full recovery took sometime though!

Issue was I was using/self-prescribing benzos to deal with insomnia and my lack of knowledge how to maintain lower core/spine health in 2015-2017 - that I've now more or less managed through exercise...

Anyway, I hit a peak point of stress and foolishly left my steady use of regular valium or xanax... for "clonazolam" an RC-benzo, basically - Klonopin (Clonazepam) + xanax (Alprazolam)...long story short it's 2.5X stronger than Xanax.

WAS MAGIC for sleep, anxiety, took away (or hid my lower back pain) poor core issues for awhile. And then IRC.BIO dried up and I was not thinking clear, under some other family stress (logged on here back in 2017-2018), didn't get another valium source to taper off. Ooops, big fuckin mistake. Went into a withdrawal and thought.. I could "fight through the symptoms" and then I crashed - like dual grandmal seizure...
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Well supposedly Domestic RC's sold "clonazolam" but it was fake, watered down etizolam at best. I trusted them and I was left to have a double seizure (yeah my own dumb fault), but they're poisoners, the lowest of the LOW. FDA busted them and they got a couple years I think, but they nearly killed me... should get more time.

Damn brother i hope you are all good and healthy now! I would have smoked some trees for the insomnia only way for the trensomnia i had

 

[Smont]

@Smont @PoSiTiVeFLoW @gphagan1 Any thoughts on a 250 test/400 eq 16 week run later on after i get my trt sorted?


But ive read eq can be very toxic to the kidneys and neurotoxic as well, also the blood thickening and high BP, or is it relatively safer at 400 per week, basically what are your thoughts and opinions?

I think your referring to the YouTube guy who says eq is toxic in every one of his videos?

All steroids raise RBC, they all can raise BP and put extra strain on the kidneys. Eq tends to do it at a higher rate for most ppl.

I don't have issues with it, I also do t run anything higher then my testosterone dose, ever. I don't see a single reason to do it. Maybe if I was trying to get as dry as possible I would lower testosterone or if I wanted to experiment. But in general, I keep test higher.

At the end of the day, all steroids are similar in potential for muscle gained. Pick the compounds that don't give you side effects and use them. Let your diet determine weather you're bulking or cutting, not the gear selection

 

[Smont]

Eq does not raise my BP or RBC more then any other steroid. It also doesn't screw up anything on my bloodwork. The only reason I stopped using it is because it stays in the system so long and just in case I ever get to do something that requires steroid testing I wanna be able to pass lol

 

[gphagan1]

@Smont @PoSiTiVeFLoW @gphagan1 Any thoughts on a 250 test/400 eq 16 week run later on after i get my trt sorted?


But ive read eq can be very toxic to the kidneys and neurotoxic as well, also the blood thickening and high BP, or is it relatively safer at 400 per week, basically what are your thoughts and opinions?

Yeah EQ is one I haven’t tried, mainly because of the blood thickening aspect.
If I run a long cycle with Test I prefer Primo or Mast. Back when I was younger I ran NPP and I’ve ran Trest ace ( in different cycles), and thankfully I didn’t have sides. I only ran SNS Inhibit P with those and didn’t need Caber, but I had it on hand with Exemestane as well. Those were really good cycles, but now when I do run a cycle, I play it really safe and stick with either Primo or Mast with Test.
Oh and @PoSiTiVeFLoW good job on rehab brother, and your right God is great

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

I think your referring to the YouTube guy who says eq is toxic in every one of his videos?

All steroids raise RBC, they all can raise BP and put extra strain on the kidneys. Eq tends to do it at a higher rate for most ppl.

I don't have issues with it, I also do t run anything higher then my testosterone dose, ever. I don't see a single reason to do it. Maybe if I was trying to get as dry as possible I would lower testosterone or if I wanted to experiment. But in general, I keep test higher.

At the end of the day, all steroids are similar in potential for muscle gained. Pick the compounds that don't give you side effects and use them. Let your diet determine weather you're bulking or cutting, not the gear selection

Truth right here, sound cycle advise on primary (test base) + secondary anabolic.

Damn brother i hope you are all good and healthy now! I would have smoked some trees for the insomnia only way for the trensomnia i had

Well that's that the thing I started with delta-9 flower on the east coast after AirForce, during college.., but fast forward 15+ years on West Coast and I'm blowing $300/mo on concentrates, eventually wind up on the vape pen oils to this daily.. So THC has "diminishing returns" for sleep it seems. Indicas do help more than Sativa (terpine profiles) but I've used them for relaxation, social, music, extended concentration with stims+nootropics and even lifting enhanced to deal with pain, anxiety etc. So THC doesn't really help me go back to bed anymore like it used to.

Anyway, I use mainly Delta8/Delta10 CBD derived THC now, Better than Delta 9 (less forgetful, less paranoia, all the euphoria and 'highness'). Also legal still in TX even mail order, amen. DeltaExtrax for the win.
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I just signed up for "discountedlabs.com" they have a Bodybuilder blood panel for $185 - anyone have code? - that checks all the common risk factor stuff. Until I get a TRT doc in Austin/TX area sorted, or my primary care doc to do the bloodwork.

*So the dual grandmal seizure did in 2018.. that did jack up my toxicity (liver, kidkey) BIG TIME for awhile. Took like ~1-2 years for all markers to return to pre-drugs type levels (no creatine use, not heavy protein diet, only sporadic workouts to lower stress). So gotta be smart from now on. Kidneys in particular. It was OK the excessive cycling, to a point... but toss in RC-benzo seizure and that will jack up ones internal chemistry.

So we'll see, I was like @Smont, EQ really did nothing to my blood work before.. hope that's true still I use it in therapeutic range.

@gphagan1 - I have some Mast E here, hmm - first time. And some anavar, also need to try these easy non-methyl options, aside from EQ. Good point. Although, like Smont said I did see RBC rise one time on EQ, but also my Test E dose was also on FULL blast mode, so I'm betting based on bloods look pretty normal next week... Since I'm running more moderate level.

Based on Hyde's and Smon'ts 3-AD logs, I'm looking forward to that and Hexadrone coming up too. Other good non-methyl options, although I will run 1-2 methyl feel good PH like Mecha or P-mag as long as the blood-work stays good.

After the sezirue, all returned to normal, but on my log I'll actually be posting a.) bloodwork results b.) kardia mobile EKG c.) Whitings blood pressure cuff d.)Renpho e-scale (in time series). Basically with pre/post bloodwork + frequent at-home doctor readings like that now. This way, hopefully - I can cycle more smartly, as I clearly was prone to addictive tendencies even with steroids
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Back to the OP, @JoeStethics - thanks for the wishes and thinking about it Mast or Anavar would be a good first finisher too aside from EQ. And if you're stuck in club TRT 4 LIFE, with no other health issues at ~24 y/o, then you're probably good to go.. we're just saying for long-term health, start the tracking..

 

[Smont]

As far as weed goes, it never really helped me sleep. If I got really high I would get tired and fall asleep and go out cold for 3-4 hours but it never got me a full night's sleep, and I would have to get high as **** for it to make me tired, counter productive because when I would get that high all I wanted to do was sit on the couch, watch TV and eat. The higher I got, the less motivated I was the following day. It's almost like I would get my most tired feeling when it was time to get up and start my day.

 

[JoeStethics]

You opened up your post about how your test levels are low normal at 24 yrs old when they should be higher so you were prescribed TRT in a lax country and since you were hopping back on test anyway you might as well do a blast. But after some followup discussion it becomes clear the blast is your main concern right now not finding out why your test levels are on the lowish side of normal at 24 yrs old or dialing in your TRT dose.

So, I guess my advice would be to just cut out all of the TRT stuff from your post. It's not relevant right now it's just confusing things. And how is UGL test easier to dose than Bayer?

Then we talk about the blast. You've already picked your compounds. What are your goals? After you figure that out you can start to figure out how to make 250-500mg test and some anavar help get you there, or even if it even can and maybe you need different compounds. You discussed you past weight but not current nor goal weight.

As for EQ, it should only damage your kidneys if your bp is uncontrolled, and it'll jack that up a lot. Some get anxiety on it too. Never heard it can help with joints, that's a nandrolone thing. But it is stronger than anavar or primo without the estrogen issues test has. I actually have used both eq and primo and got more hemoglobin/hematocrit issues with primo personally, but iron intake is such a big factor there. EQ did give me higher bp though and I had to start telmisartan. Because of the undecyclinate ester it will take 7 weeks to get a peak/steady blood concentration if you don't front load.

I got bayer testoviron and will be dosing 250 mg a week for now, the idea was to go on trt but start it with a blast, like 16 weeks of 250 test/400 eq and then just stay on 125 test which is TRT, and i barely plan on blasting after that unless i wanna get into bodybuilding which i currently have no plans for. Btw i am going to use 0.5 ml of the testoviron amp and ill store the rest of the test solution in another syringe till next week's injection, any of you guys have experience with this?

 

[JoeStethics]

TRT dose can be different for everyone. Your doc might want to start you on 125 and modify it based on blood work and how you feel. You can't just say 125mg is going to be your dose just because you think it will or read it will or know someone else on that dose. And the elephant in the room is why does a 24 yr old need TRT? Testicular cancer? Some kind of trauma to the balls? Balls never dropped? You haven't fully recovered from past cycles? And this should all be set aside because it's clearly not important to you.

Because of the long half life of EQ, it takes 5 half-lives or 10 weeks after your last injection to clear your system. So if you're trying to dial in your TRT dose during that period, the EQ in your system might end up interfering with that. And unless you front load, it'll take a couple months for EQ to kick in. Your doses are low but I have a feeling if you're not seeing the results you wanted you'll end up throwing some orals into the mix.

And if you really don't want to get into bodybuilding, then just don't do this. The results you get from 250 test/ 400eq for 4 months can easily be obtained in 6-12 months on TRT.

Obviously im gonna keep getting blood work and checking my hormone levels when trying to dial in my dose but i would rather have a bit lower test if it means no e2 spiking if it meant 125 mg instead of 200 mg lets say. The thing about TRT at 24, if you know a really good protocol for restarting my HPTA with successful results for my case(secondary hypogonadism) i am willing to try anything as i really dont want to be a slave to the needle but 374 test ng/dl at my age is just horrible.

I tried clomid and nolvadex when i first went off, then a couple months later (6-8 months later) tried 2-3 weeks of hcg at 500 mcg eod followed by 50 mg clomid for a month, and several test booster almost more time on than off just because i needed it for energy and erection etc. Im open to any hpta protocol that i could give on last shot since my LH(1.8) and FSH(1.7( are shot which means if i can fix them i should be good to go(classic secondary hypogonadism) but the idea is i had given up.

Also guys i had gotten my sperm frozen in a sperm bank already.