Highlander Gets Stage-Ready with NEW Olympus Lab's SUP3R EPI
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Dma378
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Don't get me wrong, I love epiandro too. It's like a BJ and a better BJ. They're both great, but some are just out of this world. LOL
highlander31
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Dma378
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Don't get me wrong, I love epiandro too. It's like a BJ and a better BJ. They're both great, but some are just out of this world. LOL
highlander31
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Just finished legs and on the treadmill. Feeling the exhaustion kicking in. Luckily I think that epiandro is really kicking in the strength/drive to get solid workouts in.
Legs:
10 mins treadmill
Seated calf raises- 2 warms 4 working sets 15ish all for failure
Plate loaded leg ext- 2 warms 4 working sets again to feel 8-15ish based on ramping weight up
Plate loaded leg curl - same as leg ext
Hack squat - 1 warm 3 working sets 10-14
Laying plate loaded leg curl - 1 warm 2 working sets 8-14
Rope push downs - 3x 10-14
Rope curls - 3x10-14
Preacher curl - 3x8-12
Treadmill 30 mins
Legs:
10 mins treadmill
Seated calf raises- 2 warms 4 working sets 15ish all for failure
Plate loaded leg ext- 2 warms 4 working sets again to feel 8-15ish based on ramping weight up
Plate loaded leg curl - same as leg ext
Hack squat - 1 warm 3 working sets 10-14
Laying plate loaded leg curl - 1 warm 2 working sets 8-14
Rope push downs - 3x 10-14
Rope curls - 3x10-14
Preacher curl - 3x8-12
Treadmill 30 mins
highlander31
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I was dying of starvation last night and I was at about 250g pro 300g carbs and 40g fat. Bumped carbs for my leg workout. Epiandro kicking in hard? Or just that time of prep? Haha
Either way I'm not looking forward to today or tmr as they're my low days and I was already dying yesterday. Cardio at 45 mins 2x fasted am which I am currently doing and 45 mins this evening about 6pm
Either way I'm not looking forward to today or tmr as they're my low days and I was already dying yesterday. Cardio at 45 mins 2x fasted am which I am currently doing and 45 mins this evening about 6pm
netflixNchill
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My hunger has been about the same, I'd say it's just your body rejecting this prep. Keep it up bro!
highlander31
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My thoughts too . Thanks for the support brother.
I have a planned cheat meal tmr night but let's hope I survive until then haha. 2 low days back to back and the hunger is back again right now.
Then it's go time for the last 3 week stretch. Will be on point.
BlackTiger22
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in for gains
highlander31
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Sorry for no updates really yesterday, but heres how things have been.
Sleep has been starting to take a hit. Thursday night I did not sleep well at all. I am usually a solid sleeper for 7.5-8.5 hours and I have been getting under 7 a few nights. I was cold all night but not hungry. My chest and back have been achy and sore probably from workouts which has not been normal until this point. Bad signs. So I had a cheat(s) yesterday starting at about 4:30pm and went all the way until 11ish pm. Slept well even though it was only for close to 6.5 hours again. Just lots of energy, heat, and thirst. Took 4 SlinMax, chromium, grape seed extract, digestive enzymes with bitters, and apple cider vinegar throughout the cheat. This is roughly what I had.
Qdoba (same as Chipotle) - 3 fancy tacos, 1 burrito all with queso and guac.
Christmas cookies - assorted - about 12
1/2 large bag of peanut butter M&Ms
1/2 large box Fruit Loops with Marshmellows (so goood! never knew about these)
3/4 large container of FairLife Fat Free Milk (the whole container was 7 cups)
2 rice cakes with almond butter and honey
5 cupcake filled oreos
4 cinnamon bun oreos
half pint of dairy free chocolate brownie ben and jerrys
/w Peanut butter (2-3 spoonfuls)
I think this about covers it, but will edit if I remember anything else.
There was a nap in the middle there at some point haha.
Woke up just as tight. Some vascularity going on. Super thirsty. Feel like I still have more I need to fill out honestly.
Sleep has been starting to take a hit. Thursday night I did not sleep well at all. I am usually a solid sleeper for 7.5-8.5 hours and I have been getting under 7 a few nights. I was cold all night but not hungry. My chest and back have been achy and sore probably from workouts which has not been normal until this point. Bad signs. So I had a cheat(s) yesterday starting at about 4:30pm and went all the way until 11ish pm. Slept well even though it was only for close to 6.5 hours again. Just lots of energy, heat, and thirst. Took 4 SlinMax, chromium, grape seed extract, digestive enzymes with bitters, and apple cider vinegar throughout the cheat. This is roughly what I had.
Qdoba (same as Chipotle) - 3 fancy tacos, 1 burrito all with queso and guac.
Christmas cookies - assorted - about 12
1/2 large bag of peanut butter M&Ms
1/2 large box Fruit Loops with Marshmellows (so goood! never knew about these)
3/4 large container of FairLife Fat Free Milk (the whole container was 7 cups)
2 rice cakes with almond butter and honey
5 cupcake filled oreos
4 cinnamon bun oreos
half pint of dairy free chocolate brownie ben and jerrys
/w Peanut butter (2-3 spoonfuls)
I think this about covers it, but will edit if I remember anything else.
There was a nap in the middle there at some point haha.
Woke up just as tight. Some vascularity going on. Super thirsty. Feel like I still have more I need to fill out honestly.
highlander31
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Week 1 Update/Review Sup3r Epi
I have gotten puffy nips. Some people may already know this, but I have no explanation for it other than the Epiandro. Its the only other thing I am taking and I have been running the test for about 15 weeks now, had an issue with puffy nips at the beginning for about 2 weeks, and have not had a single issue since (they actually hardened up some and almost like it reversed some pubertal gyno/pseudo gyno)
Strength aspect is there. I feel as though without the Epiando, I could not get my workouts in or even close to as strong of lifts or contractions. Focus and aggression from it has been present and much needed.
Everywhere but nips is hardening and I can tell I am more thirsty than usual. Vascularity is greatly improving.
If it wasnt for the damn puffy nips I would be blown away by this product currently
I have gotten puffy nips. Some people may already know this, but I have no explanation for it other than the Epiandro. Its the only other thing I am taking and I have been running the test for about 15 weeks now, had an issue with puffy nips at the beginning for about 2 weeks, and have not had a single issue since (they actually hardened up some and almost like it reversed some pubertal gyno/pseudo gyno)
Strength aspect is there. I feel as though without the Epiando, I could not get my workouts in or even close to as strong of lifts or contractions. Focus and aggression from it has been present and much needed.
Everywhere but nips is hardening and I can tell I am more thirsty than usual. Vascularity is greatly improving.
If it wasnt for the damn puffy nips I would be blown away by this product currently
Mayday922
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You gonna take an ai?
highlander31
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I have been. The thing is, Epiandro should have zero estrogen conversion and since it is suppose to convert to DHT, it should reduce estrogenic effects, even at the same Test to Estrogen ratio. It is sort of like an AI would have no effect at all on this issue other than make me lethargic and weak.
What I have started is Nolva at 10mg per day for the past 3 days.
Mayday922
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Im planning on running andro products after drug testing and i was gonna take an ai even tho its not recommended because i fear gyno lol
highlander31
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Some advice. Do not run an AI until you need to, it would be stupid to lower/crush estrogen unless you have negative estrogen side effects. There is no reason to use something that you dont need unless a side effect has come up.
I feel I am an outlier with this happening while on Epiandro. I have literally searched for hours on Epiandro and have not found 1 account of puffy nipples or anything like that with Epiandro use.
netflixNchill
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My nips are fine, maybe the epi through something out of wack with your test injections
highlander31
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Thats my only thoughts. Possible to dec. SHBG? releasing more estrogen? or inc. prolactin/progest? Ive been asking around for some peoples thoughts but I havent really gotten any info on why this could be the case. Also, cant find anywhere the pathway of how Epiandro gets to DHT.
netflixNchill
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As long as I see hard, lean muscles from taking this that's all I'm worried about. Strength and libido is a plus too
highlander31
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Im on that same page as you bro. I care about look more than strength, especially at this point haha.
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Dma378
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Gyno is not an overnight condition. You can wait until estro symptoms arise and treat accordingly.
highlander31
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Some sneak peeks. Pics first thing waking up this morning . Been holding a lot of water i swear I'm much leaner than I look. Just call me a water buffalo.
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Mayday922
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You can get rid of it without surgery?
NoAddedHmones
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Is it just me or did your puffiness begin right after than cheat session??
highlander31
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Which puffiness? Holding water? Or nips?
The nips started a while ago like a week and a half but they seem to be getting better. I switched to a reliable test source and instantly felt the difference (24-36 hrs later) it's a sust so I think it's just starting to set in fully
NoAddedHmones
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First two exacerbating the latter?
highlander31
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Sorry the better test helping the issue. I was weening down test for the show and I think it was under dosed causing too low test in ratio to my estrogen
Dma378
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You're misunderstanding. It's not like you wake up one day and say oh crap I have gyno. It is a progressive onset of estrogen related symptoms that lead up to it. It is the lack of treatment once symptoms arise, not knowing the symptoms, or having garbage ancillaries that will get you by surprise. But if you begin holding excess water, having itchy, tingly or sensitive nipples, lose sex drive, etc. your estro is likely too high. And you begin to treat it. It's the knowing when to treat it and to what extent that is key. But don't confuse having some estrogen related sides as gyno.
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So update for workouts.
Saturday was back and bis. Felt tired as **** most of the day. Was thinking I was too lethargic to work out so started with bicep curls and felt stronger than I thought and after that it actually turned into a decent workout. My workouts are all essentially the same at this point as were less than 3 weeks now. I'm feeling ready just have lots of water to drop but I will be dropping yohimbe on Friday or Saturday and starting an herbal diuretic probably 10 days out to start dropping some of that water retention.
Sunday was chest and shoulders and I crushed it. I overstimmed though haha my workout was killer but by the end I was so fatigued and lightheaded. Actually walked on the treadmill for 30 mins super low intensity and felt better.
Seems Sup3r Epi is really helping with workouts and lethargy during the day.
Today is a medium day and I will be hitting legs later. Currently doing fasted cardio 45 minutes.
Saturday was back and bis. Felt tired as **** most of the day. Was thinking I was too lethargic to work out so started with bicep curls and felt stronger than I thought and after that it actually turned into a decent workout. My workouts are all essentially the same at this point as were less than 3 weeks now. I'm feeling ready just have lots of water to drop but I will be dropping yohimbe on Friday or Saturday and starting an herbal diuretic probably 10 days out to start dropping some of that water retention.
Sunday was chest and shoulders and I crushed it. I overstimmed though haha my workout was killer but by the end I was so fatigued and lightheaded. Actually walked on the treadmill for 30 mins super low intensity and felt better.
Seems Sup3r Epi is really helping with workouts and lethargy during the day.
Today is a medium day and I will be hitting legs later. Currently doing fasted cardio 45 minutes.
BamBam0319
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That's where epiandro really shines for me. It gives you that boost that preworkouts just can't.
highlander31
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Sorry for the sporatic updates guys, but ****s been crazy the past 2 days. Will continue to be so up until the show, so doing my best for pictures and updates.
Last 2 days have been low days at zero carbs. Stims have been high. Today I am debating if I will be taking in carbs. I might have 50-100g around my workout, but I think that would be it. Then Thursday and Friday will again be Zero carb days. This is the first time in a very long time I have done zero carbs and the lowest previously I had gone is about 75g. I figured Id give keto a few days as I am worried now I wont be lean enough for the show. As I am coaching myself, you really get in your head an question everything, thinking always you should get learner, or become more full, or will you dry out properly? Or tweaking things the days before and day of.
Sup3r Epi update:
Still having the nip issues, but I dropped the dose to 250mg the past 2 days, and only my left nip now has a bit of inflammation. It has started to go down, so I must not handle the Epiandro well. I will keep it here the next few days and see what happens, then I might drop it to see what changes, but I will keep you updated.
Last 2 days have been low days at zero carbs. Stims have been high. Today I am debating if I will be taking in carbs. I might have 50-100g around my workout, but I think that would be it. Then Thursday and Friday will again be Zero carb days. This is the first time in a very long time I have done zero carbs and the lowest previously I had gone is about 75g. I figured Id give keto a few days as I am worried now I wont be lean enough for the show. As I am coaching myself, you really get in your head an question everything, thinking always you should get learner, or become more full, or will you dry out properly? Or tweaking things the days before and day of.
Sup3r Epi update:
Still having the nip issues, but I dropped the dose to 250mg the past 2 days, and only my left nip now has a bit of inflammation. It has started to go down, so I must not handle the Epiandro well. I will keep it here the next few days and see what happens, then I might drop it to see what changes, but I will keep you updated.
highlander31
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Big update here. Been busy and exhausted with prepping along with strict at work so my activity has been lackluster this past week.
Here's what's been going on and I encourage your input.
I dropped to 1 pill a day Monday/Tuesday. Had a swollen left nip and a little bit in the right with some ache and itch in both. I stopped the Epiandro on Wednesday Thursday and Friday and the swelling is gone and no ache or itch. The nip is still a bit puffy but no lump or swelling which is big. Nothing else has changed. I may start to encoporate the compound again but we will see after the weekend. It also seems as tho I have dropped more water since stoping the epiandro. Weird. Thoughts guys?
Here's what's been going on and I encourage your input.
I dropped to 1 pill a day Monday/Tuesday. Had a swollen left nip and a little bit in the right with some ache and itch in both. I stopped the Epiandro on Wednesday Thursday and Friday and the swelling is gone and no ache or itch. The nip is still a bit puffy but no lump or swelling which is big. Nothing else has changed. I may start to encoporate the compound again but we will see after the weekend. It also seems as tho I have dropped more water since stoping the epiandro. Weird. Thoughts guys?
Jebrook
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Subbed. highlander31 how's thing going?
highlander31
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Yeah sorry for the lack of updates, its just pretty much Im done using the Epiandro for now. Its only like 10 days from my show and honestly I felt like I was holding water while on the Epiandro along with the nipple swelling. It had a white ring around my nipple and it was puffy with a large pliable lump. Like a swollen gland.
I may give it a try again after my show to see but I have a feeling the effect is going to be the same. I wish this would not have been the case obviously because I was super pumped for it especially hearing it could act as a semi-Masteron product and was really looking forward to it. I will post progress pics tho.
Jebrook
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That's too bad bro. Maybe the effects will be better without test in the mix. Good that you listen to your body.
netflixNchill
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Pretty sure it's low dose^
highlander31
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It hasnt changed since starting the Epiandro is the thing. It is at about 200mg per week right now. I was using 0.5mg adex per week (was at 1mg/wk when I was at 5-600mg test per week back 6-8 weeks ago). But I think the 0.5mg/week was too much with just 200mg test as I was super lethargic. Just the beginning of this week I dropped to 0.25mg adex/week and already feel significantly better with more energy which is huge at this point in the game. Also, no swelling or lump. I even upped my dose of adex at a few points to see if it would combat the lump/swelling and it just made lethargy and energy worse. When I dropped the Epi, all swelling went away withing 2-3 days.