There is no right answer. Nizoral will help wash androgens off the scalp just as a shampoo and an easy 1st start. Topical fin will drop levels and its possible there is less sides.. oral is more convenient imo and I've have no problems. A low percentage in single digits do, it's a personal decision. I don't see how topical is not systemic juat as oral but I haven't looked into it as I take oral.
Thanks . Do you notice the fin hindering muscle mass and gains in the gym at all. I been hearing a lot about that.
I think there is a possibility. Have I noticed it? No. What do you value more hair or full 100% gains? I am still growing after incorporating fin.
Like what. Only other thing I heard work is ru but also hear a lot of nasty sides with that as well and in the end it's still a research chem.
You're going to find a lot of people on here who are against finasteride because of side effects, which is somewhat ironic given that this is the anabolics section. Personally, I think the side effects are overrated. Having said that, I haven't used oral finasteride, only topical. But I've seen plenty of blood work from people who used oral finasteride and I haven't seen anything concerning. Hormonal-wise, it usually results in lower DHT and higher total testosterone. These things about increases in estrogen, prolactin, etc., might have happened to some people but I haven't actually seen it yet.
Yea I hear a lot of guys say it made their muscles softer or made them more feminine looking. My dht currently is 118 so it is pretty hight. Almost double the normal upper limit. I would like to try topical but I'm worried about my 5 month old daughter home with me
Hm interesting I'll def check it out . Do you know if topical dut is as harmful to children as topical fin. That's my main concern. The exposure possibly from when it's applied in my hair.I've tried oral finasteride, topical minox, oral minox, oral dutasteride, etc and usually at least 2 of those things in combination. I searched for a long time and found a solution that is strictly topical, but delivers dutasteride (superior to finasteride) locally to the scalp with much less systemic absorption so your concern of oral fin or better, dutasteride side effects are severely diminished. The solution also contains minox, naltrexone, among others including latanoprost (you may have heard of it as latisse, a very expensive eyelash growth solution.). There are more things in it, but it has held onto my hair through many DHT derivative cycles.
It's called Powers Hair Solution 5.1, I can post a picture if you'd like, but it's from a company called agelessRX.
I started losing my hair at 21 pretty aggressively, even though as a child and teen, every barber I went to would comment how thick my hair was. Within a few months it visibly improved it greatly and about 9-10 months after, I already had the insanely thick hair I used to have growing up.
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I can't speak on that, but I'm sure it's not safer, it works the same as finasteride with the addition of a couple other properties, something like fin has 2 of these properties I'm unaware of the name of and dutasteride has 4 properties that block DHT, something like that, not sure.
Some guys say it doesn't just make their muscles soft but something else too..... but like I said, I just go by the blood work I've seen done on it and I've never seen anything concerning or anything that should hinder gains. If someone said it made their muscles soft, then I would assume they would have gotten blood work done to see what the cause of it was. You can actually search this forum and find some guys who posted blood work on finasteride.
Oh that's interesting. I'm also using topical finasteride. Actually, I think you were the one who told me about it. I had blood work done and had no increase in estrogen. Obviously it can be different for everyone but I haven't had any issues in that department.
I'm about 9 months in right now. I'll be getting more blood work done to keep an eye on things but so far no issues.
Hm interesting I'll def check it out . Do you know if topical dut is as harmful to children as topical fin. That's my main concern. The exposure possibly from when it's applied in my hair.I've tried oral finasteride, topical minox, oral minox, oral dutasteride, etc and usually at least 2 of those things in combination. I searched for a long time and found a solution that is strictly topical, but delivers dutasteride (superior to finasteride) locally to the scalp with much less systemic absorption so your concern of oral fin or better, dutasteride side effects are severely diminished. The solution also contains minox, naltrexone, among others including latanoprost (you may have heard of it as latisse, a very expensive eyelash growth solution.). There are more things in it, but it has held onto my hair through many DHT derivative cycles.
It's called Powers Hair Solution 5.1, I can post a picture if you'd like, but it's from a company called agelessRX.
I started losing my hair at 21 pretty aggressively, even though as a child and teen, every barber I went to would comment how thick my hair was. Within a few months it visibly improved it greatly and about 9-10 months after, I already had the insanely thick hair I used to have growing up.
This isn't an advertisement, just a possible solution. The only way these guys are affiliated with me is by taking my money
What's your thoughts on topical dut over fin? Seems like a better option for me. Only needs to be applied once a week so exposure to my family is minimal. The molecular weight is more than fin so it doesn't get absorbed through the skin and go systemic as well.
I’m not a doctor and you should really bring this up with who is prescribing it for you or even the pharmacist, but dutasteride is known to be more potent than finasteride, it blocks more conversion of DHT than fin and for that reason, it’s more effective for halting hair loss, it’s also because part of what makes it more potent is that is blocks the conversion through more pathways than finasteride does but I do know it still blocks the conversion in at least 2 of the same ways finasteride does, so personally, I would treat it the same as finasteride around kids/pregnant women especially.
No pets so that's no concern. Was thinking of topical dut since it's only need once a week vs every day with topical fin. I'm a firefighter and work 24s so would just apply it while I'm at the station
Gotcha, that makes sense. The topical might be the way to go then. I’m also not sure if you are doing Minox liquid (with the dropper) or the foam aerosol cans, I found the foam to be a lot less messy and it worked really well.
Thanks man. Looking online I see some people saying once a week is enough. Not sure how though since it's topical and going to be washed off later in the day? I have an appointment with a hair clinic this week. (Free consultation) so I'll see what they say.
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I have never used dut, so I really can't comment on it. But there are some solid reviews and good studies to back it up, so if it's easier to apply or something, then it might be worth trying over fin. My gut is telling me that they probably both work well.
Yea I'm gonna look into it more. I wonder if I should just do 1mg oral fin. My dht is high so even if it knocks it down 70 percent like the studies said I'll still be in the normal range. I'm just worried about losing muscle hardness and feminization effects of those are even true
That's up to you. If you want my opinion, you can always try the fin and get blood work done. If your estrogen stays the same (like mine did), then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. And if it does cause a problem and you're not happy with it, then drop it.
I would agree if that's the safest route for your family, personally. As long as it doesn't drop it down too much I think you'll be ok, but I have to admit a big reason I use topical dut is because it blocks it locally regardless of what the DHT levels in my blood are and it's nice because from my experience, dht is something to be used for your goals to an extent, Personally, on oral finasteride and eventually when I tried oral dutasteride, it seemed I lost a good deal of muscle hardness/density, didn't notice anything else but I didn't like that side at all, blocking the receptors locally in the scalp has allowed me to reap as much DHT as I want, muscle density is back.
Yea I'll ask the Dr when I go to see what she thinks of topicals. I was on fin prior for like 8 months and felt like I didn't get as good of a pump in the gym and felt softer. But I see a lot of ifbb pros using it so not sure why they would use it if it hindered gains.
I've tried basically all of it man, I promise dut is definitely not useless, IMO much better at holding hair and holding hair faster than fin. I just made a post a second after you with the ingredient list of what I take. I can get specific with dosage if you'd like.
Thanks man what's the dut dosage? And you say you apply it everyday? Also I think I already asked you but do you have children at home?
No problem, the formula I have is 2mg per application, I read somewhere from the doctor who invented the formula saying that it was the optimal transdermal dose and systemic absorption is thankfully, very limited. Then you have other things in there like the bicalumatide that is essentially trying to do the same job as the topical dut, definitely some things can be added to accelerate growth these days instead of just waiting on minox and holding what you have with fin or dut, I saw results in just a couple months, huge results in maybe 5 months and I had a full head of thick hair just a few months after that, it's pretty remarkable. I don't have a family that is in contact with me often, I do a lot of work overseas and it's usually not a problem so long as I throw the liquid bottle in my checked bag. The only thing I have to worry about are my dogs, so it's your call on whether you think it'd be an issue or not.
Thanks. Yea the dosage and amount applying it per week seems to vary so much. I go on Reddit and a lot of people say apply it once a week only at a dose of .05% which is 4 times lower than yours . Seems like it works for you though!
Here is a question I found that the doctor who made it answered, maybe it all has to do with transdermal bioavailability? You might be getting the equivalent of 0.5-0.6mg of dut, it definitely has worked for me though. Applying it only once a week surprises me, it's a question for the doc but maybe because of the local absorption and lack of systemic absorption it is eliminated faster than if it were taken orally? That could be a mistake some people are making, I just can't imagine why the instructions are to apply this every day if it has such a long half life like 5 weeks or something? I really don't know man, but it has worked thankfully.
Thanks! Yea I know it has a long half life but seems wild that you only need to apply it once a week seeing how your going to wash it off in the shower either the same or next day.Here is a question I found that the doctor who made it answered, maybe it all has to do with transdermal bioavailability? You might be getting the equivalent of 0.5-0.6mg of dut, it definitely has worked for me though. Applying it only once a week surprises me, it's a question for the doc but maybe because of the local absorption and lack of systemic absorption it is eliminated faster than if it were taken orally? That could be a mistake some people are making, I just can't imagine why the instructions are to apply this every day if it has such a long half life like 5 weeks or something? I really don't know man, but it has worked thankfully.
Haha, sorry, I tried to skim the thread but there's a lot of back and forth. What was the question at hand, exactly?
Haha I'm looking at using a topical for hairloss. Either fin or dut but worried about exposure to my 5 month old daughter. Leaning towards dut since it seems like you only need to apply it once a week?
1. 5 month olds should not be exposed to either of those drugs.
Very well said, hahaha
Yes but what if she lays on a pillow that I laid my head down or touches my hair with her hand at some point
In general once a topical carrier has dried, there's little ability for the drug to transfer and reduced ability for it to absorb if transferred.