Dude the thing is, I've noticed a trend with just about any of these "OTC" PH/steronz oral products...for every guy saying "I tried it, it was bunk!!" there can be 10 saying otherwise, and the opposite. These products are uncontrolled and unmonitored and in many respects more risky than UGL stuff. You're relying totally on the honesty and good intentions of the sellers, producers, and raw suppliers.