Hexadrone + LGD + Dermacrine cycle / Monthly blood tests.

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Starting another cycle log. I will start with 70 mg Hexadrone and 7mg LGD - I will adjust my dosage higher if everything is ok. As I did with my previous log, I will post full blood work once every 3-4 weeks.

Here is where I am currently, pre cycle blood work:





On cycle support: Competitive Edge Tudca(500mg a day) + Cycle Assist + 1 Revange Life Liver 1 cap + Celery seeds 400mg(2 caps from Lindens).

PCT: Clomid and some OTC supp based on blood work.
 

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Looks interesting combo. Good luck and hope liver is all good this time. What brand you using for both??
 

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Looks interesting combo. Good luck and hope liver is all good this time. What brand you using for both??
I bought German Pharma Hexadrone(Epistan), for LGD I have German Pharma and Muscle Rage(4+3mg) - in case one is bunk again :rolleyes:🤔.

I am taking liver serious this time, 2 supps just for liver + liver support also in CEL Cycle Assist.
 

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Sounds good and they are legit companies. Look forward to see how you get on and how it treats you.
 

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Small update:

Things are going good, I took almost a month off from gym since my last cycle on docs recommendations, my lifts have gone a bit, but not much, only 10kg less (gained 25kg on last cycle) on my bench press for example. However I am gaining back my strength,+1rep each time.

Biggest difference this time is how good I feel so far. Yesterday I had this feel good and happiness feeling while I was in my gym, just wanted hug people heh.

Taking a day off today, aiming for working out 5x a week, 2hrs each time.
 

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Gym is going great, strength is increasing every time. I think I will cut down my workouts to 4x a week, 5x seems too much if you do 2hr workouts each time. Bench has gone up 5kg since I started this cycle, muscle memory from my previous cycle is playing a big part in that also I think, so another 5kg to go, I am aiming for 120kg(265lbs)x10 at the end of this cycle... Other than that, I am feeling great, probably I will do blood work sometime next weekend. I started taking some joint supplements due to Hexadrone hurting my joints.
 

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Hi, sorry for the long break, had some traveling to do and family issues, I am still on this cycle, blood work is not nearly as bad as it was on OL UK Legend. I will upload my results next week when I get to my pc.

Very happy with results so far, managed to bench 120kg(265lbs) 5 times, which is a new personal best for me. I hope to reach 120kgx8 before I finish my cycle.
 

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Hey, so I did blood work today:



ALT(ALAT) is higher than normal, but I am not worried about it, according to reports AST(ASAT)/ALT(ALAT) can both be elevated 2-3x from *hardcore* workouts and I workout 6x a week, 2hours each time. Clearly last time I was running LGD from Olympus Labs UK, my second bottle was contaminated with something, because my ALT spiked to 700s and AST was in 200s and that was only after 4 weeks. These results from today are after 7 full weeks, 10mg LGD, 70 mg Hexadrone(whatever is in Epistan by GP these days - finished it), for test base still using Dermacrine. Feeling good overall.

My other liver values(which are not impacted by working out that much - ALT/AST are found in muscles also) such as GGT(Gamma-glutamiltransferaze), Bilirubin and Alkaline phosphatase (sarmainā fosfotaze) are nearly perfect, as are my kidney results, both Creatinine and Urea.

My current support supps are OL and CEL Tudca and CEL Cycle Assist. I also take Creatine, pre-workout and xtend during my workouts, protein shake after workouts.

As for results, I am still improving my bench press, can press 120kg 7 times now, which is another PB for me. Seeing decent results in size also. So far I am very happy with this cycle, will probably do 1-2 weeks more and start PCT. I did not do testosterone test this time as it is pretty useless, I did one 2 weeks in and was already suppressed, so I will do it before I start my PCT.
 
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Hey, so I did blood work today:



ALT is higher than normal, but I am not worried about it, according to reports AST/ALT can both be elevated 2-3x from *hardcore* workouts and I workout 6x a week, 2hours each time. Clearly last time I was running LGD from Olympus Labs, my second bottle was contaminated with something, because my ALT spiked to 700s and AST was in 200s and that was only after 4 weeks. These results from today is after 7 full weeks, 10mg LGD, 70 mg Hexadrone(whatever is in Epistan by GP these days - finished it), for test base still using Dermacrine and I am feeling great.

My other liver values(which are not impacted by working out that much - ALT/AST are found in muscles also) such as GGT(Gamma-glutamiltransferaze), Bilirubin and Alkaline phosphatase (sarmainā fosfotaze) are nearly perfect, as are my kidney results, both Creatinine and Urea.

As for results, I am still improving my bench press, can press 120kg 7 times now, which is another PB for me. Seeing decent results in size also. So far I am very happy with this cycle, will probably do 1-2 weeks more and start PCT. I did not do testosterone test this time as it is pretty useless, I did one 2 weeks in and was already suppressed, so I will do it before I start my PCT.
Looking better than last time...good stuff.

Hows the cholesterol levels and blood pressure??
 

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Looking better than last time...good stuff.

Hows the cholesterol levels and blood pressure??
I will do cholesterol next time(I forgot about it tbh), blood pressure did not change much for me, I have it around 125-140 for systolic and for 70-80 for diastolic, pretty much normal for me.

Also edited my post a bit with more info.
 

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I will do cholesterol next time(I forgot about it tbh), blood pressure did not change much for me, I have it around 125-140 for systolic and for 70-80 for diastolic, pretty much normal for me.

Also edited my post a bit with more info.
Ok cool. Whats your overall opinion on the effectiveness of Hexadrone as im deciding over that or Ostarine for next cycle?? Be interesting to know what you think of it.
 

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Ok cool. Whats your overall opinion on the effectiveness of Hexadrone as im deciding over that or Ostarine for next cycle?? Be interesting to know what you think of it.
To be honest I dont know what I was taking with Epistan, as I posted in the Hexadrone topic(same as Feiwong), those two bottles by German Pharma felt completely different, white caps vs red caps(different supplier as they said). https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/hexadrone.306573/page-6

I definitely feel my joints more than before, cant tell if it is from LGD or Epistan. Overall I dont know enough to recommend it or not, but whatever was in Epistan + LGD, overall I am very happy with this cycle. Muscle and strength gains are definitely there. My first proper cycle after all! :)

Also why Ostarine, it is pretty much the same as LGD as far as side-effects, but with not much results?
 

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Ah ue
To be honest I dont know what I was taking with Epistan, as I posted in the Hexadrone topic(same as Feiwong), those two bottles by German Pharma felt completely different, white caps vs red caps(different supplier as they said). https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/hexadrone.306573/page-6

I definitely feel my joints more than before, cant tell if it is from LGD or Epistan. Overall I dont know enough to recommend it or not, but whatever was in Epistan + LGD, overall I am very happy with this cycle. Muscle and strength gains are definitely there. My first proper cycle after all! :)

Also why Ostarine, it is pretty much the same as LGD as far as side-effects, but with not much results?
Ah yes i remember now about the different caps. Ive got GP Androstebol which is 35mg Hexadrone and 5 mg Max LMG and 75mg Turkesterone so who knows what its like??

Really i thought Ostarine was much less on sides compared to lgd which is apparently 11 times stronger??
 

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Ah ue

Ah yes i remember now about the different caps. Ive got GP Androstebol which is 35mg Hexadrone and 5 mg Max LMG and 75mg Turkesterone so who knows what its like??

Really i thought Ostarine was much less on sides compared to lgd which is apparently 11 times stronger??
Nah, sides are the same, but results are much worse than LGD, I compared both of them for a long time. Cant google now, but type: Ostarine site:anabolicminds.com in google. It will suppress you just like other sarms, liver will also need support supps, also requires PCT and you will get very little gains from it. I would not run Ostarine, better start with low dose of other sarms, such as 5mg LGD or 10mg RAD, see how you react. https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/crazy-high-alt-ast-from-ostarine.301771/

I would go with Androstebol, if those two are your choices.
 
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Nah, sides are the same, but results are much worse than LGD, I compared both of them for a long time. Cant google now, but type: Ostarine site:anabolicminds.com in google. It will suppress you just like other sarms, liver will also need support supps, also requires PCT and you will get very little gains from it. I would not run Ostarine, better start with low dose of other sarms, such as 5mg LGD or 10mg RAD, see how you react. https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/crazy-high-alt-ast-from-ostarine.301771/

I would go with Androstebol, if those two are you choices.
Thanks for the link....i think ill go for Lgd or Hexadrone stacked with the new Stanoplex. Apparently Hexadrone has 300 to 1 ratio so if its the 6a gains should be noticable. I'll have a good think about next cycle now.
 

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Is this a cut or bulk? How are the physical results turning out?
 

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Is this a cut or bulk? How are the physical results turning out?
I am very happy with results, I can bench now easily 125kg(275lbs) for 8 reps, and 130kg (286lbs) for 2-3 reps, which is a very nice improvement. I didnt really have a goal to cut or bulk, I would say more recomp. Gained 3kg during this cycle, which is decent, because I think I also lost decent amount of fat. I have definitely never looked bigger and stronger in gym! :)

Just wanted to run a proper cycle since my last one was a disaster, next one gonna be RAD140 + LGD. Im also finished with Hexadrone(70mg/day), got like 5 days left of LGD(10mg/day). Gonna start PCT then.
 

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Did the bloodwork include testo levels and lipids?
I did not do lipids in that bloodwork, it is fairly useless test to do on a cycle, same as testing for testosterone, I already know that testosterone will be low, so no point to test it every month.

That said, I am thinking about extending my cycle, today I had a very good gym day, I benched 140kg(308lbs) for 2 reps, which is amazing and would have never imagined doing that just few months ago. 120kg(264lbs) now feels easy and can do 10reps - which is more than I aimed for before this cycle. Thinking about another 2 weeks 10mg/day, making this cycle 11-12 weeks long. Only problem is that I ran out of LGD from German Pharma and Muclerage that I used. Picked up this Concealed Labs LGD today from my local source, not sure if it is any good, never heard of them, but seems to be a popular brand in central/eastern Europe and Russia, looks like they are related to Core Labs X and Revange.



 
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I did not do lipids in that bloodwork, it is fairly useless test to do on a cycle, same as testing for testosterone, I already know that testosterone will be low, so no point to test it every month.

That said, I am thinking about extending my cycle, today I had a very good gym day, I benched 140kg(308lbs) for 2 reps, which is amazing and would have never imagined doing that just few months ago. 120kg(264lbs) now feels easy and can do 10reps - which is more than I aimed for before this cycle. Thinking about another 2 weeks 10mg/day, making this cycle 11-12 weeks long. Only problem is that I ran out of LGD from German Pharma and Muclerage that I used. Picked up this Concealed Labs LGD today from my local source, not sure if it is any good, never heard of them, but seems to be a popular brand in central/eastern Europe and Russia, looks like they are related to Core Labs X and Revange.



How do you rate LGD??
 

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How do you rate LGD??
I am very happy with results, definitely more gains in size and strength than I expected. I have not tried Prohormones(other than Hex on this cycle) or AAS, so I cant compare results, but so far I dont even see a reason to try them as I get good gains on LGD. I will try LGD + Rad 140 next cycle. Only thing I dont like about LGD is that it elevates my ALT levels for some reason, while Bilirubin, GGT, Alkaline phosphate are nearly perfect, which is strange and could be a mix of LGD and working out/eating a lot, I was reading that ALT and AST can be impacted by working out by as much as 2-3x above normal range as muscles have both ALT/AST also and muscle damage releases them into bloodstream.
 

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I am very happy with results, definitely more gains in size and strength than I expected. I have not tried Prohormones(other than Hex on this cycle) or AAS, so I cant compare results, but so far I dont even see a reason to try them as I get good gains on LGD. I will try LGD + Rad 140 next cycle. Only thing I dont like about LGD is that it elevates my ALT levels for some reason, while Bilirubin, GGT, Alkaline phosphate are nearly perfect, which is strange and could be a mix of LGD and working out/eating a lot, I was reading that ALT and AST can be impacted by working out by as much as 2-3x above normal range as muscle have both ALT/AST also and muscle damage releases them into bloodstream.
Was this brand better than that OL UL stuff as far as Liver goes??
 

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Was this brand better than that OL UL stuff as far as Liver goes??
Yeah, I dont know what was in OLUK Legend, first bottle that I used was fine, it was the second bottle that was contaminated with something and sent my values into 700s. Same dosage also pretty much, used 12mg then, 10mg now, so not much of a difference, also I used 70mg Hexadrone during this cycle, while I was running Legend solo, so I dont think this cycle was *easier on liver*. German Pharma and MuscleRage LGD is what I used on this cycle, will try Concealed Labs now for 2 more weeks and start PCT then.
 

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Yeah, I dont know what was in OLUK Legend, first bottle that I used was fine, it was the second bottle that was contaminated with something and sent my values into 700s. Same dosage also pretty much, used 12mg then, 10mg now, so not much of a difference, also I used 70mg Hexadrone during this cycle, while I was running Legend solo, so I dont think this cycle was *easier on liver*. German Pharma and MuscleRage LGD is what I used on this cycle, will try Concealed Labs now for 2 more weeks and start PCT then.
Ok thanks. I have Musclerage combo of Lgd/MK677 for a winterbulk i hope its gtg.
 

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Ok thanks. I have Musclerage combo of Lgd/MK677 for a winterbulk i hope its gtg.
Further to that am dropping the MK677 as i believe that was the culprit that caused my temporary reduced Max Heart Rate...possibly the water retention or some other mechanism?? So will probably use the LGD stacked with Dermacrine so possibly help with any lethargy or 4-AD.
 

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Further to that am dropping the MK677 as i believe that was the culprit that caused my temporary reduced Max Heart Rate...possibly the water retention or some other mechanism?? So will probably use the LGD stacked with Dermacrine so possibly help with any lethargy or 4-AD.
I dont have any experience with MK677, I decided against using it myself. Dermacrine really helps with LGD lethargy, I have not used 4AD or any other test base, so I cant compare them. However when I did not have Dermacrine for a few days, I could feel the difference.
 

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I dont have any experience with MK677, I decided against using it myself. Dermacrine really helps with LGD lethargy, I have not used 4AD or any other test base, so I cant compare them. However when I did not have Dermacrine for a few days, I could feel the difference.
Thanks mate thats good info, appreciate it.
 

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Hey guys!

So yesterday was my last day on this cycle, got blood work done.





Test took quite a hit from 7.70 to 1.09 - I dont feel it tho, must be Dermacrine or something, maybe a little bit more sleepy, but libido is still more or less normal. As for results, I am very impressed with this cycle, last week I made a new PR on bench press 140kg(308lbs) for 3 reps and 4 reps with a spotter, when I started this cycle I was hoping to hit 120kg(264lbs) for 8 times, now I can easily do 120kg for 12 reps like its nothing lol, which is quite amazing for me. I look bigger also, I actually started talking with some people in my gym about what I take lol as this one guy was spotting me like 5 weeks ago at 120kg and now he was spotting me for 140kg bench. So I have to say that I respond to LGD very good.

Now for PCT:

I will take Balkan pharma Clomid(Clomed) at 25mg for the first week as I dont know how I will respond to it, then 50mg for 2 weeks if all good and taper back down to 25mg for the last week(4th week).

BLR Rebirth 2 caps a day.

Sustain alpha 6 pumps a day.

Continue with SNS Liver Assist XT and Tudca from OL and CEL.

For lipids I will take Lipid Stabil from Molecular Nutrition.


- For workouts:

I will continue daily with Creatine
OL Ep1logue - after I finish my bottle, then I will replace it with Performax MassMax.
BLR Vector.
Rich Piana Full as Fck pre-workout.
 
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Hey guys!

So yesterday was my last day on this cycle, got blood work done.





Test took quite a hit from 7.70 to 1.09 - I dont feel it tho, must be Dermacrine or something, maybe a little bit more sleepy, but libido is still more or less normal. As for results, I am very impressed with this cycle, last week I made a new PR on bench press 140kg(308lbs) for 3 reps and 4 reps with a spotter, when I started this cycle I was hoping to hit 120kg(264lbs) for 8 times, now I can easily do 120kg for 12 reps like its nothing lol, which is quite amazing for me. I look bigger also, I actually started talking with some people in my gym about what I take lol as this one guy was spotting me like 5 weeks ago at 120kg and now he was spotting me for 140kg bench. So I have to say that I respond to LGD very good.

Now for PCT:

I will take Balkan pharma Clomid(Clomed) at 25mg for the first week as I dont know how I will respond to it, then 50mg for 2 weeks if all good and taper back down to 25mg for the last week(4th week).

BLR Rebirth 2 caps a day.

Sustain alpha 6 pumps a day.

Continue with SNS Liver Assist XT and Tudca from OL and CEL.

For lipids I will take Lipid Stabil from Molecular Nutrition.


- For workouts:

I will continue daily with Creatine
OL Ep1logue - after I finish my bottle, then I will replace it with Performax MassMax.
BLR Vector.
Rich Piana Full as Fck pre-workout.
you've got me beat, highest I've ever ran sustain alpha is 4 pumps, do you see noticeable difference at 6 pumps or have you always ran it at 6 pumps?
 

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you've got me beat, highest I've ever ran sustain alpha is 4 pumps, do you see noticeable difference at 6 pumps or have you always ran it at 6 pumps?
It is actually my first time running it, I just use the same dosage as I did for Dermacrine, also 6 pumps. Someone recommended that to me. I am 6'3(190cm) and 108kg(~239lbs).

I would like to see labs after pct.
Yeah, I will update this with labs soon, probably eow or next Monday.

Taking 50mg clomid currently, will drop to 25 mg/daily on Wednesday and continue at that dosage until I finish my PCT. So far I have no issues with my PCT, strength is still there, maybe a bit weaker than I used to be on LGD. I could do 1 rep less on my PR Bench today at 140kg(308lbs)x3 with a spotter, while on LGD I could do 4 reps. Never really had a problem with libido either on cycle or during my PCT so far. My only problem is that my skin is OILY AF! Gotta wash my face like every 3-4hours, must be because of Clomid, seems to be a common side effect from what I read online.
 
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It is actually my first time running it, I just use the same dosage as I did for Dermacrine, also 6 pumps. Someone recommended that to me. I am 6'3(190cm) and 108kg(~239lbs).



Yeah, I will update this with labs soon, probably eow or next Monday.

Taking 50mg clomid currently, will drop to 25 mg/daily on Wednesday and continue at that dosage until I finish my PCT. So far I have no issues with my PCT, strength is still there, maybe a bit weaker than I used to be on LGD. I could do 1 rep less on my PR Bench today at 140kg(308lbs)x3 with a spotter, while on LGD I could do 4 reps. Never really had a problem with libido either on cycle or during my PCT so far. My only problem is that my skin is OILY AF! Gotta wash my face like every 3-4hours, must be because of Clomid, seems to be a common side effect from what I read online.
now I understand the dosing, you are a big guy!!!
 

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Hey guys! Today I did full blood work, got my results back.





Liver almost back to normal, so thats good. However look at my testosterone, pretty nice recovery from 1.09 to 11(range 3.30-8.05) and free testosterone from 0.037 to 3.30, above range also - so thats 10x increase for both of these readings in just 3 weeks of Clomid, BLR Reborn and Sustain alpha. Should I continue with clomid for full 4 weeks or should I stop it now? Otherwise I am feeling good, lifts have gone down a bit, but not by much - I have also been crazy busy this weeks, so I did not go to gym as much as I should have.

Thanks!
 

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