Grunt76
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Damn, you mean in the lumbar region? Maybe you do need stretching, I can give myself a full handshake back there...
Herniated disks, GH, and IGF-1...
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Damn, you mean in the lumbar region? Maybe you do need stretching, I can give myself a full handshake back there...
CRUNCH
Registered User
Yep, that's the only place I can get them to touch. I think my shoulders are pretty good too. No problems with hand position on a low-bar squat. I can get my weighted dips nice and low too. No rotator cuff issues either.
Anyway, I'm off to Maryland to visit in-laws for the rest of the week. Grunt...try to not let Amazon get this thread too off topic. She claims to be a good girl, but I'm not sold yet!
Anyway, I'm off to Maryland to visit in-laws for the rest of the week. Grunt...try to not let Amazon get this thread too off topic. She claims to be a good girl, but I'm not sold yet!
Grunt76
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Yeah I think her good-girl-ness is only a testament to her ability to remember herself in the long-gone past... :bruce1:
Amazon Doll
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Grunt76
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OUCH... Wait til he reads this...
CRUNCH
Registered User
Ohhh...that hurts! Meany!
Amazon Doll
New member
Nope................they are all mine now :nutkick:
donk
Member
How much Growth and Nandrolone? and how much test could i get away with so I don't get limp **** and not decrease healing effects. Trying to heal up bicep tendon/shoulder problems.
Grunt76
Well-known member
As much GH & Nandrolone as you can handle bro. Testosterone, well, 200mg is about as high as you can go. Per week. Get some cialis...
Amazon Doll
New member
Dang! you did recover from that quick! Are you back to moving big rocks around?
Grunt76
Well-known member
OK now that you are pain-free, just remember that your disc is not actually HEALED yet. It has only regained its original place and shape but it is still split open. This is where you get to train pain-free without putting too much pressure on your spine. Go SLOWLY adding pressure there. If you use GH you may go at a full crawl. On GH add 5lbs a week of overhead pressure. 10lb a month if not using GH.
Otherwise? You will do exactly what you have just done: re-injure an old injury that was never actually healed. You need to heal bro. HEAL!
CRUNCH
Registered User
No rocks last weekend, as that may have been the culprit. I did do the farmer's walk deads though, and it was a movement similar to that that did the original injury. Went up to 600x8 and everything felt fine. I did keep doing my stretches between all the warm-up sets, I think that helps a lot.
I think I know what did it with the stones also. Kind of a long explanation. When we load the stones, there is only the concentric part of the movement, as we never lower the stones back to the ground. We pick them up and place them on a 48"+ platform and that's it. So I got the bright idea to bring one of the stones up high, like I was going to place it, but then lower it back to my lap, hoping to get an eccentric workout with them. There's been enough research to show that the eccentric part does all the strengthering. Well, it was the lowering that I believe put too much pressure on that disc and led to the problem.
I may try it again with a smaller stone and not do nearly as many reps to start off with as I did that first time. Plus keep doing the stretches between sets. I really need a way to train eccentrically with those stones. There is really no lifts that mimick it closely enough. Zerchers are close, but not close enough.
CRUNCH
Registered User
I hear you about the erectors being slow to recover. I only do regular deads once every two weeks already, and minimal sets and reps at that. Low backs take such a freaking beating in this sport.
When I did the injury with the stones, I had done 3 sets of 5, and it was an exercise I'd never really done before. Where's that wisdom that's supposed to come with getting old??? If things are good this Sunday, I may only do a couple sets of 2, just to see how things are.
Thanks Grunt
CRUNCH
Registered User
How's the crunch dude's back doing? All crunched up or what?
It's doing great. Everything feels 100% right now.
Thanks for asking too!
nycste
Well-known member
this is a great thread, im just sharing my story
1. had knee surgery, strength is still horrible working on that, did my first jog this weekend felt soso took it really easy and slow
2. working on my back now, here are the results from MRIs looking for any advice any of you have to offer
a. degenerative disc disease and anular buldge at L5-S1 wtihout canal stenosis
b. small central disc herniation at L4-5
c. minimal right foraminal disc herniation at L3-4
4. facet joint degerative hypertrophy at L4-5 and L5-S1
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-id like to get a second or third opinion on my Xrays and MRIs
-ive been dealing with lots of back pain for the past 5years almost and it all started from an injury in college nothing direct just overuse and my back finally gave out and i had to quit the sport and take time off, then i started gym fulltime, and my back hurts doing many things if not everything
-so i started gym back up recently after finishing 2 minor surgeries and in the process of increasing my weights, but really i think i gaveup on being super strong dude at least not till my back feels ok
-right before i stopped working out a few months ago, i hit a few PRs in some movements, like SLDL was Page Ranking and so was squatting but my back hurt and i blew it out doing so, but only on one of those days not all the days
coughing and sneezing hurts a lot, getting out of bed is hard very hard, doing situps is near impossible sometimes which leads me to beleive i have something more wrong with my back perhaps
-so recently my struggle is to get my core alot stronger, and in process of trying to fix my back and figureout whats the best exercises to do to strength my core abs and back to help releave some of my pain and instability
1. had knee surgery, strength is still horrible working on that, did my first jog this weekend felt soso took it really easy and slow
2. working on my back now, here are the results from MRIs looking for any advice any of you have to offer
a. degenerative disc disease and anular buldge at L5-S1 wtihout canal stenosis
b. small central disc herniation at L4-5
c. minimal right foraminal disc herniation at L3-4
4. facet joint degerative hypertrophy at L4-5 and L5-S1
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-id like to get a second or third opinion on my Xrays and MRIs
-ive been dealing with lots of back pain for the past 5years almost and it all started from an injury in college nothing direct just overuse and my back finally gave out and i had to quit the sport and take time off, then i started gym fulltime, and my back hurts doing many things if not everything
-so i started gym back up recently after finishing 2 minor surgeries and in the process of increasing my weights, but really i think i gaveup on being super strong dude at least not till my back feels ok
-right before i stopped working out a few months ago, i hit a few PRs in some movements, like SLDL was Page Ranking and so was squatting but my back hurt and i blew it out doing so, but only on one of those days not all the days
coughing and sneezing hurts a lot, getting out of bed is hard very hard, doing situps is near impossible sometimes which leads me to beleive i have something more wrong with my back perhaps
-so recently my struggle is to get my core alot stronger, and in process of trying to fix my back and figureout whats the best exercises to do to strength my core abs and back to help releave some of my pain and instability
Bobaslaw
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Here are some herniated disk rehab exercises that may help:
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Descriptions are in the link above and below (bottom of post) is a chart of exercises also found in the link.
There are also some great core strength exercises that require a fitness ball. The site below is great and has many pictures of core exercises. Definitely look into these, they are very good.
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chainsaw
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Very nice thread, very helpful, I was thinking of using IGF-1 for my lower back but I didn't know if it would work. I have 3 bulging disc's L3,L4,L5. I still haven't got over the pain and its lasted months since last September, Chiro's are doing very little for me but it has help just not completely. Check out this product I was thinking of trying it,
Grunt it is kind of like the exercise you described on page 1
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Grunt it is kind of like the exercise you described on page 1
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Bobaslaw
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Grunt, here's a good vid of your exercise ball reverse hyperextension:
Although I must admit I like your artistic representation much better!
Grunt76
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Grunt, here's a good vid of your exercise ball reverse hyperextension:
Although I must admit I like your artistic representation much better!
Whoa now that is a cool find!
See where the legs are at the bottom? Gravity pulls the feet DOWN, but that also means that the whole lower body is being gently pulled apart from the upper body. This is a godsend for compression pain. And that IMO is not obtainable any other way.
Well, unless you do hanging crunches with gravity inversion boots, such as these:
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But then again getting into position with an injured spine just MIGHT be a problem...
nycste
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soo i havent done that ball stretch in a while with lower back and did so last night after doing a chest and back work followed by yoga then stretching
well after a good min of stretching my spine out/lower back i attempted to get up ya know like what you do when your doen stretching lol and i couldnt.
i just literally had no ability to bend back up, so i went back down and tried again and barely slowly got up while some dude was staring at me like wtf lol. anyways it scared me, idk if ill be doing this stretch again.
i am in talks with a therapy program and narrowing in on some spine specaists
well after a good min of stretching my spine out/lower back i attempted to get up ya know like what you do when your doen stretching lol and i couldnt.
i just literally had no ability to bend back up, so i went back down and tried again and barely slowly got up while some dude was staring at me like wtf lol. anyways it scared me, idk if ill be doing this stretch again.
i am in talks with a therapy program and narrowing in on some spine specaists
Grunt76
Well-known member
Dude, you have to get back up SLOWLY, REALLY SLOWLY.
What you are doing is fully decompressing the spine. If you get up quick, you are re-compressing it and hard. That's NOT what you want to do.
By getting back up very gently and slowly you will keep some degree of the stretch in your back, which over time will allow your herniae or bulging discs to get back into place.
Same thing happened to me once. Live and learn?
nycste
Well-known member
Dude, you have to get back up SLOWLY, REALLY SLOWLY.
What you are doing is fully decompressing the spine. If you get up quick, you are re-compressing it and hard. That's NOT what you want to do.
By getting back up very gently and slowly you will keep some degree of the stretch in your back, which over time will allow your herniae or bulging discs to get back into place.
Same thing happened to me once. Live and learn?
good advice, for my account i didnt say or mean to say i tried to jump up, i slowly got up pretty slowly and well couldnt on first attempt, soo i went back to floor and then finally got back up pretty slowly using the ball as assistance
eitherway ! grunts listening and sharing good advice
this stretch always hurt like a mofo afterwards even year or two ago, was just sharing how hard it was to get back on feet
VolcomX311
Legend
Just herniated my L2 today and I can't walk, get out of bed, get in or out of a car for jack. It was the opening day of a new supplement cycle and log, and bam, slip disc on the opening bent over rows exercise.
nycste
Well-known member
o no, gahh, thats horrbile, keep us updated
Grunt76
Well-known member
Your hammies are possibly very tight. If you will stretch one muscle, stretch the hammies. Even if you don't stretch, you must still stretch those.
VolcomX311
Legend
I'll keep that in mind, but my ability to move at all, is really limited by some pretty sharp shooting pains
Grunt76
Well-known member
Oh yeah, now is *NOT* the time to start streching. I meant BEFORE you injure it again, but after you get better from this one...
VolcomX311
Legend
It was aggravated by a miscalculated treatment. The Chiro has this RX9000 Spinal Decompression Machine, which normally requires the information from an MRI to implement. However, this Chiro is a personal friend of the Firm I work at and the Chiro reasoned that because it was an acute injury (injured at 8:30am, at his office by 10:00am), he'd make an exception for me and use this RX9000 treatment.
Basically, I was able to hobble into his office, but I was unable to physically walk out. My pain was aggravated I'd honestly say 200% and I lost the ability to sustain myself in an erect position. My lumbar pain tolerable ROM is about just enough to look at my feet.
He's a personal friend of ours so.... I went back to him today, and I felt a little better then when I woke up this morning. RX9000 TX obviously. I responded well to manipulation, progress at any level is good with me.
Basically, I was able to hobble into his office, but I was unable to physically walk out. My pain was aggravated I'd honestly say 200% and I lost the ability to sustain myself in an erect position. My lumbar pain tolerable ROM is about just enough to look at my feet.
He's a personal friend of ours so.... I went back to him today, and I felt a little better then when I woke up this morning. RX9000 TX obviously. I responded well to manipulation, progress at any level is good with me.
nycste
Well-known member
ru in nyc? tell me you are cuz i wanna visit your friend and use this machine, im trying to find myself a decent place here
VolcomX311
Legend
Sorry man, Southern California.
psywzrd
Member
Like some others have mentioned here, you should really look into an inversion table. I have 3 herniated discs and just bought a table and have started using it. Although I've only used it 2 or 3 times so far, I can already feel a difference. The stretch you get while using it is unbelievable and you can actually notice a difference after using it just once.
When I throw out my back (2-3 times a year), the pain is absolutely unbearable - it literally feels like I'm being stabbed in the back. I look ridiculous too - totally hunched over like Quasimodo and completely incapacitated. I did some PT and have looked into the DRX9000 but don't really have the time to commit to it. From what I've read, one of the advantages of inversion over the 9000 is that the 9000 focuses just on the injured area whereas the inversion table benefits the entire spine (and the entire body). Also, you can get a table for $350 or so and that's much cheaper than the 9000 if your insurance won't pay for the sessions.
The table I bought is a Teeter HangUp and it seems to be the best based on the research I did. They actually have a 30-day trial policy so you can buy a table and try it out at home to see if you like it. Like I said, I haven't had the chance to use it that much yet (long story) but I can already tell that it's going to help me tremendously. Might be worth a shot.
VolcomX311
Legend
That's true about the RX9000. It's meant to target the specific site of herniation and its suppose to be a good alternative to back surgery. My chiropractor who possesses one says he's helped a patient with a 1cm (10mm) bulge with the 9000. The major downfall is that it is a prolonged treatment. I was suggested 21 treatments, and an MRI is required I believe.
nycste
Well-known member
great post thankyou
im still in process of finding a specialist which hopefully does some kinda inversion or spinal decompression along with other spine rehab things
o wow, 21 is a lot, as long as your insurance covers hopefully haha which it should as long as your main doc says its on prescription
jenab123
New member
Another endorsement of the Teeter. Had one for over 10 years. Works great, couldn't lift or do anything without it. I've had laminectomies at L5-S1 and L4-L5. L5-S1 have collapsed onto each other and auto-fused.
What I do is hang vertical for a while, then pick up a 25 lb plate and move around a bit. If you hold the plate out in front of you with straight arms (like a steering wheel) you get a real interesting stetch-arch on the whole back. Also moving around while hanging (twisting, ab crunches, etc.) is essential IMHO to get things pumped and loose. Can't do that strapped to a bed contraption.
Anyway I have found it indespensible for maintaining a healthy back. Also use an over-the-door neck traction device for C4-5-6 fused vertebrae and a blown C6-7 disk.
What I do is hang vertical for a while, then pick up a 25 lb plate and move around a bit. If you hold the plate out in front of you with straight arms (like a steering wheel) you get a real interesting stetch-arch on the whole back. Also moving around while hanging (twisting, ab crunches, etc.) is essential IMHO to get things pumped and loose. Can't do that strapped to a bed contraption.
Anyway I have found it indespensible for maintaining a healthy back. Also use an over-the-door neck traction device for C4-5-6 fused vertebrae and a blown C6-7 disk.
chainsaw
Well-known member
I was thinking of using this, but I get horribly dizzy when hanging upside down. I suffer from really bad motion sickness. Do you have any of these?
pumbertot
Active member
no it doesnt make me dizzy at all. but I dont get motion sickness either. however you could just take a smal does of Promethazine (Phenergan), around 5mg 30mins before you hang should work well.
jenab123
New member
The Teeter I have does not have to go all the way vertical, you can stop at any angle between right side up and full inverse. So you can acclimate if necessary, even slightly upside down you get some traction effects. There is also an adjustable belt that limits the total amount of rotation so you'd never worry about going all the way over.