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Helping a friend - need some advice..

Matthew1237

Matthew1237

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So I've got a friend that is just going a bit overboard - he was showing me the ins and outs of injecting - but then told me some of his dosages and I almost **** myself. He doesn't take milk thistle on cycle because of that random rumor that people say milk thistle will take all your gains away - anyways, long story short 1 of the easiest things I see to deal with - is this idea that he wants to use up to 100mg of dbol a day (not sure for how long of a period) but would going up that high even provide any benefit? There will be more questions afterwards so stay tuned! Really appreciate the help guys!
 
Matthew1237 said:
So I've got a friend that is just going a bit overboard - he was showing me the ins and outs of injecting - but then told me some of his dosages and I almost **** myself. He doesn't take milk thistle on cycle because of that random rumor that people say milk thistle will take all your gains away - anyways, long story short 1 of the easiest things I see to deal with - is this idea that he wants to use up to 100mg of dbol a day (not sure for how long of a period) but would going up that high even provide any benefit? There will be more questions afterwards so stay tuned! Really appreciate the help guys!
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matt,

what would be really helpful, is for your friend to give you a full detail (exact info) on his plan- verbatim. ask him to make an account so he can write exactly what he intends to do. going from milk thistle to 100 a day and not knowing the full scheme of this will make this harder down the road.
 
smith_69 said:
matt,

what would be really helpful, is for your friend to give you a full detail (exact info) on his plan- verbatim. ask him to make an account so he can write exactly what he intends to do. going from milk thistle to 100 a day and not knowing the full scheme of this will make this harder down the road.
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While wholeheartedly agree - I doubt he would do that. He feels that everyones got too many opinions as is and is getting advice from some guy whos used stuff all the way up to insulin ... but this guy doesn't seem to be giving him the best advice - I mean, maybe the best advice at getting absolutely massive in record time - but...even then I dont know if 100mg of dbol would be any better than 60mg
 
Without age height weight and basic stats its hard to make any suggestions. If u can post those things I'd be willing to help out.
 
Matthew1237 said:
While wholeheartedly agree - I doubt he would do that. He feels that everyones got too many opinions as is and is getting advice from some guy whos used stuff all the way up to insulin ... but this guy doesn't seem to be giving him the best advice - I mean, maybe the best advice at getting absolutely massive in record time - but...even then I dont know if 100mg of dbol would be any better than 60mg
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do your friend a favor- look him in the face "bro, this is your F***ING LIFE- take 30 min out of it and ASK
 
Watch Dorian Yates discuss this. He talks about ABUSING steroids for 10-12 years and basically being OK. Arnold didn't count, just took a handful of pills. I feel if you take the approach of, "you may get away with it" and talk to him from that standpoint, he will be more receptive. Don't tell him what he is doing is wrong without listening to his explanation first. Don't give him answers, give him questions and let him find the answer.

Also, keep in mind the guy giving bad advice may also be giving bad quality sources. He may think it's 100 mg dbol and it is actually 25-50.

People do what they do. You can't force him, but you can plant seeds.
 
smith_69 said:
matt,

what would be really helpful, is for your friend to give you a full detail (exact info) on his plan- verbatim. ask him to make an account so he can write exactly what he intends to do. going from milk thistle to 100 a day and not knowing the full scheme of this will make this harder down the road.
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smith_69 what kind of experience do you have with AAS?. Just wondering.
 
T-Bone said:
smith_69 what kind of experience do you have with AAS?. Just wondering.
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personally never used- very close friends have- 1 went into the hospital due to lack of info (years ago) the other used for several years but got addicted to pain meds and was arrested for possession. 2 others that I speak with have used with great success and continue to do so. 1 who was very close to our family used for many years again with great success until he broke his back during a scuba diving accident. i went to the gym with this person for months and we spoke about using them. because of my age at the time, he was completely against it. would give me knowledge but as long as i asked.

in each event that I was going to start, something happened that prevented me from doing so. I have taken this as some sort of sign, so for those who look for advice i will only suggest to keep asking.

the aas that are out these days are obviously different from years ago, so trusting a source that is reliable imho is the most important. read as much as you can and continue to ask
 
booneman77 said:
jacked/lean or no? that makes a huge difference. whats his body comp like (or rough bf% if you know)?
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I would say he is decently lean (15-20%) - he is also using peptides and will be starting insulin soon - hes pretty serious about it - but I don't understand really - I mean he says it is just a hobbie - he doesnt plan on going to olympia so far as I know - but maybe hes just saying that since he has yet to compete (he wants to go and win, not just place) I got him open to the idea of cycle supports at the very least - he uses some - but not like a comprehensive all in one I don't believe.

Also I think hes like...23..but that changes nothing really.. hes already on the path - I'm just trying to help protect him while he does whatever he does lol
 
Matthew1237 said:
I would say he is decently lean (15-20%) - he is also using peptides and will be starting insulin soon - hes pretty serious about it - but I don't understand really - I mean he says it is just a hobbie - he doesnt plan on going to olympia so far as I know - but maybe hes just saying that since he has yet to compete (he wants to go and win, not just place) I got him open to the idea of cycle supports at the very least - he uses some - but not like a comprehensive all in one I don't believe.

Also I think hes like...23..but that changes nothing really.. hes already on the path - I'm just trying to help protect him while he does whatever he does lol
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How long has he been using and what has he used? Just out of curiosity more than actually needed for the advice i'll give...

15-20% is not "decently lean", especially by bb standards. frankly, anything above about 12% begins to present serious increased risk for any and all sides with anything hormonal and even more-so with something like slin. Peptides are a very different ball game than most aas though. I don't want to say "safer", but they typically (not all) pose less immediate as well as long term risk when not totally misused.

If he's serious about competing, he needs a coach. not just for the diet/training aspects, but also for dialing in appropriate cycles. This is the hard part as not all coaches actually know how to properly program a diet/training AND the hormonal additions together to make everything work out correctly and safely. This takes some real research not just into the coach themself, but on the competitors side as well as they need to be able to unerstand when a coach is full of bs about their cycle knowledge. they also need to be able to judge and articulate subtle sides and changes during the prep so that the coach can help dial things in. A coach wont know your nips are itchy or that you've been depressed... but those are signs of worse things.

Slin is a whole different level too... like, instant death level. Not only can you die from it the first time you use it incorrectly, but you literally have to be prepared to have things available 24/7 to combat issues that almost certainly will arise. Its one of the most dangerous things in bb and can ruin your life in an instant. IMO if you haven't already competed, and have a legit idea of how far you want to go, its a HELL FCKING NO. there are just way too many things that can go wrong to just jump on something like this. Its NOTHING like steroids. You CANNOT just "wing it" and "luck into" results like many do with aas.
 
Honestly 100mg a DBol doesn't seem that bad if he is 250lbs 12-15%. However starting insulin and peptides with no growth at that bodycomposition is a recipe for disaster.
His insulin sensitivity will be poor at that composition poor, nutrient partitioning not as efficient, will be adding more fat than muscle however he shouldn't be touching slin without exogenous GH. It's just going to turn him into a water buffalo and more prone to storing fat around his midsection.
 
I didn't read through the whole thread but I know for a fact one of my boys took 400 milligrams of dbol a day for 4 weeks. I'm not condoning it and they all sound crazy to me but I've heard crazier s***
 
T-Bone said:
"Stats" really mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Age yes but the other things are practically meaningless.
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I agree,I always just ask too either
A)Check id the guy has a good diet (if he is 150lbs @6ft then diet needs to be checked)
B) I'm just a nosey son of a bitch :D
 
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