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Help W/Pro Hormones 1AD VS 1ANDRO RX

WayneDaPain

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Ok,

Used to use the Ergopharm 1AD back in the day loved it. However im looking into this stuff i stumbled across tonight its called 1 Andro RX from Iron Mag Labs claims to be give similar results and similar chemical makeup.

1 AD = 1 Androstenediol i think i got it right.....
and the

1 Andro Rx = 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one

MY QUESTION IS .... THEY BOTH CONVERT TO 1 TESTOSTERONE ... BUT WHICH 1 IS BETTER OR ARE THEY THE SAME?

Also what should i stack this w/? Maybe 11 oxo or 4ad?

i wanna get jacked ... IM ALSO GONNA TAKE ALOT OF MUSCLE MILK

AND I KNOW WHERE TO GET THE 1AD I DONT KNOW IF YOU GUYS DO OR NOT I WOULD IMAGINE YOU DO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE MEMBERSHIPS TO ANABOLIC MINDS.... BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.
 
In old 1AD from Ergopharm there was 1-androstenediol directly converts to 1-testosterone, but in this 1 Andro Rx from Iron Mag Labs is 1-Androsterone (see this link: ;) ).
Plus, when you say "I'm also gonna take alot of Muscle Milk" makes me wonder "do you know how to cycle safe and properly? How did you used to structure your cycles with 1-Androstenediol?
Hope I've helped you;)
 
Should i not take muscle milk?!?!?!? Its a great protein to use. I used to cycle 8 weeks w/the 1AD and then pct w/ 6oxo.

But u still havnt answered my question. Is 1 better than the other?
 
WayneDaPain said:
Ok,

Used to use the Ergopharm 1AD back in the day loved it. However im looking into this stuff i stumbled across tonight its called 1 Andro RX from Iron Mag Labs claims to be give similar results and similar chemical makeup.

1 AD = 1 Androstenediol i think i got it right.....
and the

1 Andro Rx = 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one

MY QUESTION IS .... THEY BOTH CONVERT TO 1 TESTOSTERONE ... BUT WHICH 1 IS BETTER OR ARE THEY THE SAME?

Also what should i stack this w/? Maybe 11 oxo or 4ad?

i wanna get jacked ... IM ALSO GONNA TAKE ALOT OF MUSCLE MILK

AND I KNOW WHERE TO GET THE 1AD I DONT KNOW IF YOU GUYS DO OR NOT I WOULD IMAGINE YOU DO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE MEMBERSHIPS TO ANABOLIC MINDS.... BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.
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this is the same stuff, the reason why i think this is better is because of the liquid vade. It increases the absorbtion rate by ALOT!! I also looked into using 1 andro rx in the past, and i was told to take 6 pills a day for best results. at 6 pills a day i would have to buy 4 bottles. i just looked it up and you take two 5mL doses a day for a month. I think 1 bottle is better than getting 4. good luck, hope i help man
 
Decided to stack the 1-Androsterone 4-AD and the Arom X all in the UTT form by Advanced Muscle Science. Tell me what you think about this product.
 
For start you shouldn't do a PCT with just an AI like 6-oxo, you should always use a SERM (clomid or nolva), then 11-oxo is a steroidal anti-cortisol with some anabolic properties wich in certain doses can supress endogenous hormone production, therefor unsuitable to a PCT.
1-AD is way stronger mg per mg to to 1-DHEA (wich is what 1-Andro Rx has), why you ask? Simple, 1-DHEA (or 1-Androsterone as you wish) has to convert to 1-Androstenedione and 1-Androstenediol (yes the one that is in Ergopharm's 1-AD) and only after convert into these two it converts into 1-Testosterone, wich means that you need to dose 1-DHEA higher than 1-Androstenediol, wich converts directly to 1-Testosterone even to a higher rate than 1-Androstenedione. So they're not the same.
And combining it with 4-AD (and again what is probable to find is 4-DHEA and not 4-Androstenediol) it is ok, as well as with 11-oxo (being this one to be used only on-cycle and not for PCT!) depending on your goals;)

Btw, 4-AD and 1-AD from Advanced Muscle Science are respectively 4-DHEA and 1-DHEA, so they both need the two step conversion to Testosterone and 1-Testosterone I told you before. Arom X is basically ATD, wich would help you deal with the aromatization from 4-DHEA since 1-DHEA doesn't aromatase. And don't forget, PCT always with a SERM!;)

Hope I've helped you this time:D
 
6-oxo is not PCT. run the 4-ad and 1-ad for 6-8 weeks and id dose at least 3ML of both. 1ml 3 times per day. get a serm and use the arom-x week 3 of pct after the serm has time to work, and pick up a natty test booster. and if u want to run 11-oxo then do it during the cycle not in pct it has no buisness in pct, ive never seen bloodwork from an 11-oxo bridge so until i do ill keep it ON cycle
 
Sanchez, I guess some Arom X during cycle won't hurt since 4-AD will aromatase since it converts into Testosterone. Why do you think it'll be better to use only on week 3 instead of during cycle, stop the Arom X for the first 3 weeks of PCT and then do as you said?
 
OK I GOT IT NOLVADEX FOR PCT THE SERM.. NO 6OXO OR 11OXO ON PCT! :) AND TO CLEAR THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT FOR ME.... USE THE AROM-X ON CYCLE?
 
And please, do not mistake Nolvadex (the SERM) with Gaspari's Novedex XT (wich is an AI not suitable to PCT).
To me I see no problems in using Arom X on-cycle, but let's see what Sanchez has to say;):)
 
Honestly I wouldnt use Arom-x on cycle unless i had a gyno flareup. Better gains come from having some estrogen present in your body , running an AI would hinder gains somewhat, they would be drier but you wouldnt gain as much . And theres really a lot of broscience about how much 4-DHEA and DHEA actually aromatize, i just finished a large research paper on DHEA supplementation (oral and Transdermally) and in a 6-8 week timeframe estrogen doesnt really increase that much in proportion to the increase in test and other sex hormones (4-dione,5-diol, ADT, DHT etc.) I have a study in front of me and the average increase in test from DHEA TD application 100mg daily was a little bit more then 2 NMol/L and estradiol was raised 0.08 NMol/L. and in the discussion it notes that the estrogen increase was not significant. That was only the first 5 days. For the entire 8 week study In measurements of pg/ML which is more common, the test levels went from .12 -> .36 so over doubled, and E1-s went from .23 ->.38 but you have to also consider the fact that DHT will increase also. But anyway PCT shoudl be like this


TAMOXIFEN CITRATE 40/20/20/20 Or Clomid 75/50/50/25 or lower depending on how long and how high your cycle is dosed

AROM-X 0/0/2ML/2ML/2ML/1ML/1ML

Test booster of choice starting week 3 of PCT.

optional cort control , wouldnt be a bad idea of planning on going 8 weeks since ACTH Would be suppressed the whole time u would probably want to control cortisol after.
 
Woah man im not phd in testosterone supplementation i just know the basics....but you kind of answered my question should i use the arom-x on cycle u say no because it will lower gains. If i do use the Arom-x on cycle they will be drier meaning less water retention? and they will stay post cycle?.... this would mean that i wouldnt lose anything after cycle right? by using the arom-x on cycle.

And then take the 11 oxo and 6oxo after i pct to shred up?
 
And please, do not mistake Nolvadex (the SERM) with Gaspari's Novedex XT (wich is an AI not suitable to PCT).
To me I see no problems in using Arom X on-cycle, but let's see what Sanchez has to say

BROLY THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP THE ABOVE THREAD I WOULD HAVE MADE THAT MISTAKE........ HAHA WOULD HAVE BEEN GROWING SOME TA TA'S
 
Sanchez thank you for your reply, it's great to hear that estrogen levels don't get that high while on 4-DHEA or DHEA supplementation, since I'd love to try it some day and the estrogenic effects that we usually hear from broscience are pretty frightning, and hearing some hardcore science facts are extremely interesting;) By the way, in terms of comparison of supplementation with DHEA, acording to your study, would it be comparable to the 150mg/week of Testosterone Ethanate from TRT users that is told int the #51 post of this thread ( Invalid Link Removed )? (sorry to ask this in your thread WayneDaPain;))
And Wayne, there's no need to thank;) it's common to see inumerous users to mistake this, and even worse, went on PCT using only Gaspari's Novedex XT (wich is basicaly a blend of two aromatase inhibitors: ATD and 3-OHAT, yes the first one is the same that is on the Arom X). About the gains being drier if you use the Arom X think this way: you'll be taking something that acording to Sanchez doesn't give the same amount of water retention as it's said it would, so a little water retention would be good to build up some mass and the water retained will lubricate your joints making it easier for your joints to handle heavy weights;) Correct me if I'm wrong, after your PCT you'll aparently lose more weight but keep in mind that since some of that weight is water you'll always keep a pretty good amount of muscle so don't worry if you have gained, for exemple, 10lbs and only kept 5 after PCT because if you had used the AI during your cycle you'll only have gained 6lbs but you'll still keep only 5 after PCT (I guess this is the idea, let's wait for Sanchez since he has a more technical answer to this:439:)
 
broly to answer about the dermacrine equaling 150mg Test Cyp, im not sure and it really varies from individual. everyone has different levels of test to begin with and the amount of test increase from derm relies on skin absorbtion and ample hormones to convert in the skin and there again people have differing amounts of those hormones in the skin (3-bSHD, 17-BsHD) i think are the two that convert. And to see if dermacrine equaled 150mg of test cyp youd have to compare blood work from someone on 150mg Test Cyp weekly to someone using dermacrine to see if thats true. Im sure its somewhere in that ballpark tho but dont kno forsure


But in response to using arom-x on Cycle theres no need for it all it is going to do is supress estrogen on cycle and with 4-ad you want some estrogen . The 4-ad and 1-ad combo isnt a wet cycle really. And about doing 11-oxo and 6-oxo together after the cycle i dont understand why you want to do that. If you want to "shred up" then run the 11-oxo by itself or with another androgen and then save u 6--oxo for PART of PCT. 11-oxo is supressive, even tho not that much it still is and you need to realize that. but dont run the arom-x on cycle UNLESS you start getting puffy nips or other signs of a gyno flareup which i doubt would happen unless you are predisposed to gyno
 
OK IM EDUCATED IM ORDERING UP TODAY ILL KEEP YOU GUYS POSTED W/MY GAINS I ONLY BENCH 225 AS OF NOW ALL NATURAL UP TO THIS POINT. IM THINKIN I WILL BE BENCHIN ABOUT 350 AT THE END OF THE CYCLE. E Z. :) THANKS FOR THE INFO YOU GUYS HELPED OUT ALOT.
 
WayneDaPain said:
OK IM EDUCATED IM ORDERING UP TODAY ILL KEEP YOU GUYS POSTED W/MY GAINS I ONLY BENCH 225 AS OF NOW ALL NATURAL UP TO THIS POINT. IM THINKIN I WILL BE BENCHIN ABOUT 350 AT THE END OF THE CYCLE. E Z. :) THANKS FOR THE INFO YOU GUYS HELPED OUT ALOT.
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how are you all natural up till this point if you used Ergopharm original 1-ad like you said in your first post? how old are u?
 
broly i have a feeling you were right when u noticed the "im gonna take a lot of muscle milk" because theres some lying going on in this thread and i want to say age has a part in that. in earlier posts he kept saying hes ran ergo 1-ad but his latest post he says hes all natty until now.
 
Your bench isn't going to go up 125 pounds on one cycle. Sorry to bust your bubble. And you stated you took 1-ad, so your not "all natural" up to this point either.
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
6-oxo is not PCT. run the 4-ad and 1-ad for 6-8 weeks and id dose at least 3ML of both. 1ml 3 times per day. get a serm and use the arom-x week 3 of pct after the serm has time to work, and pick up a natty test booster. and if u want to run 11-oxo then do it during the cycle not in pct it has no buisness in pct, ive never seen bloodwork from an 11-oxo bridge so until i do ill keep it ON cycle
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Not sure that 11-oxo is completely necessary on cycle. As far as I know its not suppressive enough to cause problems unless dosed pretty high. I have seen it run successfully in a bridge and pct. Most PH/DH can generally inhibit the action of cortisol while on cycle, so taking it concurrently would only seem beneficial if you ran it at a high enough dose to produce anabolism (600+mg/day or so I've read). Sanchez you are right, it is suppressive, but not THAT suppressive. I think either a bridge or in pct would suffice just fine. If its honestly that big of a deal drop the 11-oxo and pick up supress-C or lean xtreme.
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
broly to answer about the dermacrine equaling 150mg Test Cyp, im not sure and it really varies from individual. everyone has different levels of test to begin with and the amount of test increase from derm relies on skin absorbtion and ample hormones to convert in the skin and there again people have differing amounts of those hormones in the skin (3-bSHD, 17-BsHD) i think are the two that convert. And to see if dermacrine equaled 150mg of test cyp youd have to compare blood work from someone on 150mg Test Cyp weekly to someone using dermacrine to see if thats true. Im sure its somewhere in that ballpark tho but dont kno forsure
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Thanks Sanchez, it really sounded too good to be exactly true, and don't forget that there's also the LV dermacrine, wich I don't see how does the "higher amount of enzymes on the skin" aplies, so the oral version is something I'd like to see explained, if you know something about taking oraly DHEA with the intention to convert it into testosterone please either explain me here or PM me;)
 
what the hell is this thread about?

1-ad= 1-androstendiol=1-testosterone

1andro rx= 1-dhea=1-androstendione=1-testosterone.

1-ad is a direct precursor to 1-test. it requires one step conversion.


1-dhea (all 1-test ph's out now are 1-dhea) requires two step conversion.

testosterone, and it's precursors (dhea, 4-dhea) would stack best with 1-test.
 
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