DaveyCrockett
Member
I've been having a sh*t day.. Thank you gentlemen for that spit the drink out of my mouth LOL moment..God Almighty
Unanswered HELP - Prohormone killed my dick
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ItalOne
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Dude has been trolling me and every opinion I’ve had since I joined up. He’s a true veteran around here,
recommending RC chems to kids. Way to set an example for the younger generation of PED users. Yeah man RUI has the best Serms and AI’s? Lol what a joke! At least I would have pointed them in the right direction to get pharma. By the look of his avi I wouldn’t take any advice from that dumb ass.
Mathb33
Well-known member
Trolling you? Today was the first time I spoke to you, litterally. You’re mistaking me for someone else or you’re straight up lying. I have never recommended sources to people I don’t know here so you’re talking non sense right now. Who the **** are you to say what my stuff is and if it’s garbage or no? I mean what the **** are you talking about? My source is the most reputable one you can get in canada so stfu. You’re definitely mistaking me for someone else with your RUI shitty comments. And you can look at my picture all you want and laugh idcDude has been trolling me and every opinion I’ve had since I joined up. He’s a true veteran around here,
DaveyCrockett
Member
I know who it is cuz I'm still ignoring him from before......
ItalOne
Active member
No other dude! He’s got me on ignore.
You seem like you know your ****!
Sorry for the confusion!! DBAG
MATTHERSBE
jtbull
Active member
It may not be fully dead.. Do you know CPR? J/K....
Ok do Tadalafil or Sildenafil (cialis/viagra) will usually bring the little guy around if he's not too far gone.. Zero help in the libido department tho.
The quickest fix for libido drop due to shutdown? Testosterone. That's why everyone here will recommend a testosterone base for any type of cycle, it'll keep libido from dropping at all.. Either way you're shut down.. At least with the Test you can still bone hot chicks.
Otherwise, PCT and wait, just tell her you have crabs and you're waiting for the shampoo to work
#1 is she is that hott and you are concerned eat the p*ssy like it is chicken chow mein to keep her happy.
I thought chosen was 1 andro? That is supposed to be a test base isnt it? I was not aware it did that. I took 1 andro at like 300mg a day for a month a year ago and had no such issue.
I had a buddy that took like a triple dose of tribulus and he said it helped him, but it was while he was running a pct in between cycles.
Matthersby
Well-known member
I’ve been trying to tell these guys. 2 clicks and you don’t have to see his sad, desperate , attention seeking nonsense again.
Smont
Legend
Clomid always worked great for me
Mathb33
Well-known member
Nah man 1 andro is not a test base people usually stack it with 4andro for a test base. It’s not THAT suppressive as you said though.
Smont
Legend
I seccond the cialis in the meantime.
What you notice from torem in comparison to other serms. I got some kickin around I havnt used before
Mathb33
Well-known member
When I used to PCT torem would bring my balls back much much faster than any other serms
We re talking like a couple days. Less side too(if any).
ItalOne
Active member
Nobody cares what you have to say! It’s all rubbish!!
Hyde
Legend
I will say this only once - if you wish to legitimize your presence in the eyes of others on this board, you need to stop being petty and bring something to the table for discussion.
It’s not about being right. It’s about sharing knowledge and ideas. Act like you want to be taken seriously, or else nobody will.
ItalOne
Active member
Which I have plenty of! I’ve been around this game for a minute being that I’m almost 50 years old. So my patience is thin when I have somebody telling me RC chems are as good as pharma and when people suggest substituting hard work for a abundance of unnecessary drugs is cool. Everything I’ve shared has been from my own personal past experiences. Your right it’s not always about being RIGHT but it does help sometimes. I’ll try being more open minded.
Hyde
Legend
I personally have found research chems to be good as overseas pharm quality. I have never used product from actual doctor in the US, and I absolutely would expect them to be of the highest purity - ie, the best option. BUT, I have always gotten perfectly good results with RC SERMs and AIs without any issue, so they are good enough to me. Similar to guys buying UGL oil instead of pharma, it’s just a matter of risk vs reward.
Hard work > drugs every time. The effort is foundational, because at some point you can’t just take more drugs.
ItalOne
Active member
I used RC products about 10 years ago because I didn’t have a source for pharma. As I got older my standards changed. I did a lot of research all over the internet and on almost every source board and eventually found what I was looking for. Time and research wins over settling for the easy find. I’ve seen a lot of RC threads over the years where RC are overdosed, under dosed, mislabeled, and contaminated. These are from people who sent there product in to third party testing, which isn’t cheap!! This doesn’t happen with pharma unless your buying counterfeit. I’m simply saying pharma is out there if you look hard enough.
hairygrandpa
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Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, St. George's Hospital Medical School London, U.K.
Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assayed 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) luteinizing hormone (LH) and plasma testosterone were assayed once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH, LH and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.
PMID: 2892728 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Note: 100-150mg/d proviron for 12 month!
ItalOne
Active member
This is a study on sub fertile males trying to get there partner pregnant. There is no mention to what it does to males with men with no fertility problems and with testosterone levels on the high end of normal.
It’s only done with infertile men with low testosterone. This article here debates the theory. Invalid Link Removed
hairygrandpa
Legend
What I get from the article is, that it can't be as suppressive for testosterone, especially at moderate dosage. It showed suppression in some subjects for FSH and LH, when FSH and LH were high.
Your find is interesting, would have loved reading the entire article, its cut short.
I saw Proviron used in low dosage for PCT (25mg) -and from what I remember , it was the opposite to suppression.
Would have to spend some hours to find the relevant studies, damn.
Hyde
Legend
I used proviron for the first time in PCT last cycle, just 25mg per day, and I felt I bounced back completely normal, bloods were normal for the 6 wk mark, but I felt WAY better for having it in there.
The thing to consider about PCT is we are indeed substandard, Low-T males at the time, so this study has direct correlation.
hairygrandpa
Legend
For a "always on guy" like me, Proviron is a magic ingredient. It enables me to go without AI on a cruise (TRT) and libido is always fine.
I designed a cutting "minimal suppression oral cycle" for a friend, his first cycle, he does:
25mg clomid eod (started 1 week before t-bol) eod 25 -25/25/25/25/25/25 -PCT 25/25 e3d 25/25
Proviron: ed 0 -25/25/25/25/25/25 -PCT 25/25/25/25
T-bol: 0 -30/30/30/30/30/30
Exem: 0 -0/0/0/0/0/0 -PCT eod 12.5/ e3d 12.5/12.5
He is in week 4, lost 14 pounds and his strength is way up. I train him and would say, its about 25% up.
Will be interesting to see blood labs after PCT, maybe I can bribe him to do some.
Renew1
Legend
Please do!
ItalOne
Active member
Very interesting! I’m curious to see his bloodwork would look like before the pct. Will you be testing for that? That right there would be the key to find out how suppressive 30mg of Tbol is. I honestly didn’t think 25mg of proviron would be enough of a test best. But maybe it is for only 30mg of Tbol?
hairygrandpa
Legend
Sadly no pre-cycle labs. But its his first cycle, he is young and formerly morbidly obese. Note: Now just obese, since training him. Came from 152kg (335lbs) down to 121kg (266lbs) in about 5 month.
My guess would be, test was barely in range for his age pre-cycle.
I advised him not to do any cycle, because of BF% and age -but he was about to do one anyways (planned by him: Tren+Test, that idiot), so I persuaded him to do something less suicidal -and suppressive.
The proviron is to bring a balance between anabolic/androgenic ratio. Also to free up more t-bol and test, by binding to SHBG (t-bol binds too). He feels great and his strength is above what I thought could happen.
ItalOne
Active member
That’s awesome that your pointing him in the right direction.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Yes, but you should see how I treat him while training.
"Move your azz, fat fugg! You smell like puzzy!"
ItalOne
Active member
Lmao, what ever it takes! Please keep us updated.Yes, but you should see how I treat him while training.
"Move your azz, fat fugg! You smell like puzzy!"
chemjr
Active member
In the meantime I would grab some tadalafil from a research place and believe it or not those Extenze pills with the red letters and black cardboard box oh, not the Extenze that has a butt load of pregnenolone in it but the regular one that has Martha and a bunch of other herbs actually works halfway decent for not only PCT but just helping to keep your guy ready. It surprised me because usually I don't believe the hype but I actually kind of like it. I think it comes in a pack of like five or six capsules and I will usually take 2/3 or the whole package over the course of a couple hours and later that evening not only am I horny as hell but my guy will work as intended. Hope this helps. Also Twin Labs makes a maca Arginine combo and if you take a handful of those it will also definitely help. So I would take something for pump like citrulline malate or 325 grams of Arginine and then also take a bunch of maca or Extenze or something like that.. Best of luck brother and I hope you get to keep your hottie. In the meantime do like the Chinese and chow box! Chow box chow box! Every woman likes that, and who knows, it may just get you going!
chemjr
Active member
Clomid is not best- it often leave many men an emotional mess. So if i had to pick between a little quicker with clomiphene mood swings irritability and crying at stupid commercials, or a week or two longer with tamoxifen- which will work just fine- and none of that garbage and usually actually a pretty decent mood then i pick the latter. And actually proviron has been shown to be Very light as far as suppression goes and even increases sperm motility so a light dose on nigjts he wants to bang Iike a pornstar should be just fine. Looks like the guy is gomna play and pay so let at least try to guide hik the best way to do so rather than the regan approach and "just say no". At least thats my view /opinion. But who the hell am I? Dueces y'all
-the dude abides
Hyde
Legend
Clomid is not best- it often leave many men an emotional mess. So if i had to pick between a little quicker with clomiphene mood swings irritability and crying at stupid commercials, or a week or two longer with tamoxifen- which will work just fine- and none of that garbage and usually actually a pretty decent mood then i pick the latter. And actually proviron has been shown to be Very light as far as suppression goes and even increases sperm motility so a light dose on nigjts he wants to bang Iike a pornstar should be just fine. Looks like the guy is gomna play and pay so let at least try to guide hik the best way to do so rather than the regan approach and "just say no". At least thats my view /opinion. But who the hell am I? Dueces y'all
-the dude abides
Also, Dude, Chinamen is NOT the preferred nomenclature...
DaveyCrockett
Member
You want a toe? I can you a toe by 3 o clock this afternoon. With nail polish.Also, Dude, Chinamen is NOT the preferred nomenclature...
chemjr
Active member
I'm staying. Im finishing my coffee. Ennnjoyin my coffee. (Fists against counter with Ray ban stare)You want a toe? I can you a toe by 3 o clock this afternoon. With nail polish.
Lift4vita
New member
Willing to share this domestic source of pharmaceutical? I’m stuck with maresearchchem for pct atm. Would really appreciate the help
Mathb33
Well-known member
You need to be a 1%er to have such a source homie
thebigt
Legend
iconic formulations-dermacrine?
Lift4vita
New member
Lol nice. As he says more RCs for me!
ItalOne
Active member
It’s amazing what you can find with a little effort and google. Pharma Adex and nolva cost like $40-$50. Y’all are pathetic!