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Help please with my iron panel

Chris98vobra

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I just got some lab work back from Quest that a bit concerning:

Total Iron 65 (45-170)
TIBC 295 (250-425)
% Sat 22 (20-50%)
Ferritin 220 (20-380)

What I think it is saying is that I have plenty of iron in my blood (ferritin) but I am not using it well with such low other readings. My Ferritin isn't extremely high but about where it was a month ago but it was 90 in October. So does this mean I have some kind of inflammation that is using up my iron? How do I fix this?
 
I just got some lab work back from Quest that a bit concerning:

Total Iron 65 (45-170)
TIBC 295 (250-425)
% Sat 22 (20-50%)
Ferritin 220 (20-380)

I what I think it is saying is that I have plenty of iron in my blood (ferritin) but I am not using it well with such low other readings. My Ferritin isn't extremely high but about where it was a month ago but it was 90 in October. So does this mean I have some kind of inflammation that is using up my iron? How do I fix this?

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Well there numerous factors going on or there probably could be none (later half most likely) if ferritin foes up to >250 then on would consider inflamation. I think people read into stuff too much...
 
Well the rest of the story is that I started taking iron supplements in Dec when I noticed ferritin was 90 and then doubled the dose in early Jan. My Jan results were 226 for ferritin but nothing else was checked. I was off iron for 5 days before these last tests.

I am finishing up a RT3 program and my temps are close to normal again. I hope those labs will be in soon and expect them to confirm this. However, I want to keep RT3 low and need to fix the things that caused it. Low iron can do that so getting those other levels up is important. My concern is that the supplements seemed to have raised my ferritin but the other levels are low. Unfortunately, I don't know what they were prior to this latest report.

Assuming nothing is really wrong with me (likely). How do I best get % Sat and serum iron levels up some so my thyroid works best?
 
Well the rest of the story is that I started taking iron supplements in Dec when I noticed ferritin was 90 and then doubled the dose in early Jan. My Jan results were 226 for ferritin but nothing else was checked. I was off iron for 5 days before these last tests.

I am finishing up a RT3 program and my temps are close to normal again. I hope those labs will be in soon and expect them to confirm this. However, I want to keep RT3 low and need to fix the things that caused it. Low iron can do that so getting those other levels up is important. My concern is that the supplements seemed to have raised my ferritin but the other levels are low. Unfortunately, I don't know what they were prior to this latest report.

Assuming nothing is really wrong with me (likely). How do I best get % Sat and serum iron levels up some so my thyroid works best?

Your somewhat low ferritin serum level may not be a problem at all. Most ferritin (and associated iron) resides in the liver, spleen and bone marrow, not in plasma. Supposing that it is low, it could be secondary to either iron deficiency or to hypothyroidism. There is a positive feedback loop between iron deficiency and hypothyroidism because hypothyroidism reduces iron absorption and low iron interferes with conversion of T4 to the more active T3. None of your levels are really low. They resemble those of my wife who does happen to be on supplemental thyroid.

Low ferritin would not be due to inflammation because it usually rises in response to inflammation or infection and it need not indicate iron deficiency. TIBC normally rises in response to true iron deficiency to make most efficient use of the available iron and your TIBC is not unusually high.

There are good reasons to avoid supplemental iron unless prescribed for diagnosed anemia. Free iron is a pro-oxidant. Ferritin exists at least partly to sequester it. One can reliably increase ferritin by consuming supplemental iron but that may be a defense against iron toxicity. Life-Extension Foundation (LEF.org) concluded that recent news reports of women having shorter lifespans when taking supplements could be explained merely by their consumption of supplemental iron.

I tend toward high ferritin saturation (55%) without supplemental iron and with low intake of red meat. For longevity reasons, I donate a pint of blood every 6-8 weeks and would prefer numbers similar to yours.

It is interesting that you mention RT3 and thyroid function as if that might be your primary concern. RT3 often increases along with a decrease of T4 and T3 under starvation, injury or major infection, a condition called “sick euthyroid syndrome” in which the healthy thyroid does not produce sufficient T4 but the pituitary also does not secrete more TSH to stimulate the thyroid. For those who are not starving or very sick, such “central hypothyroidism” suggests a disorder of the pituitary, hypothalamus, or hypothalamic-pituitary portal circulation.

That only applies to “normal” people. The pituitary detects starvation via circulating insulin level. Muscles absorb glucose in response to insulin or in response to contraction. Exercise-induced hypo-glycemia can inhibit insulin secretion enough to trigger a starvation response in the pituitary. Reduced insulin from a low-carb ketogenic diet can do the same. People who combine exercise with a ketogenic diet can reliably trigger reversible central hypothyroidism.

I did that about ten years ago and discovered it because my physician requested both T4 and TSH assays. They normally move in opposite directions and mine were both below the normal range. Unfortunately, a confirming RT3 assay was not available in those days. Simple resumption of carbohydrate intake restored both T4 and TSH levels.

I only suggest this possibility to you because both exercise and ketogenic diets are popular on this site.
 
Your somewhat low ferritin serum level may not be a problem at all. Most ferritin (and associated iron) resides in the liver, spleen and bone marrow, not in plasma. Supposing that it is low, it could be secondary to either iron deficiency or to hypothyroidism. There is a positive feedback loop between iron deficiency and hypothyroidism because hypothyroidism reduces iron absorption and low iron interferes with conversion of T4 to the more active T3. None of your levels are really low. They resemble those of my wife who does happen to be on supplemental thyroid.

Ketogenic diet is not the best approach with rt3. It will make matters worse. One needs carbs in order to down regulate rt3 levels.


Low ferritin would not be due to inflammation because it usually rises in response to inflammation or infection and it need not indicate iron deficiency. TIBC normally rises in response to true iron deficiency to make most efficient use of the available iron and your TIBC is not unusually high.

There are good reasons to avoid supplemental iron unless prescribed for diagnosed anemia. Free iron is a pro-oxidant. Ferritin exists at least partly to sequester it. One can reliably increase ferritin by consuming supplemental iron but that may be a defense against iron toxicity. Life-Extension Foundation (LEF.org) concluded that recent news reports of women having shorter lifespans when taking supplements could be explained merely by their consumption of supplemental iron.

I tend toward high ferritin saturation (55%) without supplemental iron and with low intake of red meat. For longevity reasons, I donate a pint of blood every 6-8 weeks and would prefer numbers similar to yours.

It is interesting that you mention RT3 and thyroid function as if that might be your primary concern. RT3 often increases along with a decrease of T4 and T3 under starvation, injury or major infection, a condition called “sick euthyroid syndrome” in which the healthy thyroid does not produce sufficient T4 but the pituitary also does not secrete more TSH to stimulate the thyroid. For those who are not starving or very sick, such “central hypothyroidism” suggests a disorder of the pituitary, hypothalamus, or hypothalamic-pituitary portal circulation.

That only applies to “normal” people. The pituitary detects starvation via circulating insulin level. Muscles absorb glucose in response to insulin or in response to contraction. Exercise-induced hypo-glycemia can inhibit insulin secretion enough to trigger a starvation response in the pituitary. Reduced insulin from a low-carb ketogenic diet can do the same. People who combine exercise with a ketogenic diet can reliably trigger reversible central hypothyroidism.

I did that about ten years ago and discovered it because my physician requested both T4 and TSH assays. They normally move in opposite directions and mine were both below the normal range. Unfortunately, a confirming RT3 assay was not available in those days. Simple resumption of carbohydrate intake restored both T4 and TSH levels.

I only suggest this possibility to you because both exercise and ketogenic diets are popular on this site.


Ketogenic diet is not the best approach with rt3. It will make matters worse. One needs carbs in order to down regulate rt3 levels.
 
It is interesting that you mention RT3 and thyroid function as if that might be your primary concern. RT3 often increases along with a decrease of T4 and T3 under starvation, injury or major infection, a condition called “sick euthyroid syndrome” in which the healthy thyroid does not produce sufficient T4 but the pituitary also does not secrete more TSH to stimulate the thyroid. For those who are not starving or very sick, such “central hypothyroidism” suggests a disorder of the pituitary, hypothalamus, or hypothalamic-pituitary portal circulation.

That only applies to “normal” people. The pituitary detects starvation via circulating insulin level. Muscles absorb glucose in response to insulin or in response to contraction. Exercise-induced hypo-glycemia can inhibit insulin secretion enough to trigger a starvation response in the pituitary. Reduced insulin from a low-carb ketogenic diet can do the same. People who combine exercise with a ketogenic diet can reliably trigger reversible central hypothyroidism.

I did that about ten years ago and discovered it because my physician requested both T4 and TSH assays. They normally move in opposite directions and mine were both below the normal range. Unfortunately, a confirming RT3 assay was not available in those days. Simple resumption of carbohydrate intake restored both T4 and TSH levels.

I only suggest this possibility to you because both exercise and ketogenic diets are popular on this site.
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Thank you for your detailed and insightful response. After 2 weeks I had given up on anyone being able to add value to my post. Your points are both interesting and well taken.

I embarked on this "journey" 7 months ago to try and rid some belly fat. Common story.... all the exercise and dieting did nothing but make me weak and mad. The doc ran thyroid tests and concluded I was mildly hypo so started me on a T4/T3 mix of some blended compound. The result was a slightly higher FT3 (3.5) but no improvement. He then ran more tests and we found RT3 of 326 (9-350) so that was my problem. I also had cold hands/feet and low body temps (97ish). 14 weeks into it and my FT4 was still at low-normal, T3 (cytomel) was pooling with FT3 of 10+ and I felt miserable. My RT3 had dropped to the mid-range but everything I read indicated iron could be an issue so I ran the panel above. The folks at the Yahoo RT3 group are consistent with their belief that if %sat isn't at least 30% then T3 won't work and it will just pool. Seemed logical based on my experiences too. The doc moved me from straight T3 to a 50/50 blend of T4/T3 where I have been for almost 2 weeks.

So my current hypothesis is RT3 has a half-life of about 2.5 days. It makes no sense to "clear" it unless the problem that caused it is gone or it will reappear immediately. My iron seems to be below where it should be and my adrenals are a bit tired so I am working on those. If I am right, once my problem goes away my RT3 will decrease also on its own. I have never been on a Ketogenic diet but do not eat high quantities of carbs. I should probably monitor it more closely but I do nothing to avoid them except that I don't eat much gluten because it tends to bother my stomach. I do try to eat my body weight in protein and keep overall calories around 2400-2800/day. Weight train moderately 4x week for 40 min and bike for a couple hours 2-3 days/week.

Thanks again for your thoughts.
 
Thank you for your detailed and insightful response. After 2 weeks I had given up on anyone being able to add value to my post. Your points are both interesting and well taken.

I embarked on this "journey" 7 months ago to try and rid some belly fat. Common story.... all the exercise and dieting did nothing but make me weak and mad. The doc ran thyroid tests and concluded I was mildly hypo so started me on a T4/T3 mix of some blended compound. The result was a slightly higher FT3 (3.5) but no improvement. He then ran more tests and we found RT3 of 326 (9-350) so that was my problem. I also had cold hands/feet and low body temps (97ish). 14 weeks into it and my FT4 was still at low-normal, T3 (cytomel) was pooling with FT3 of 10+ and I felt miserable. My RT3 had dropped to the mid-range but everything I read indicated iron could be an issue so I ran the panel above. The folks at the Yahoo RT3 group are consistent with their belief that if %sat isn't at least 30% then T3 won't work and it will just pool. Seemed logical based on my experiences too. The doc moved me from straight T3 to a 50/50 blend of T4/T3 where I have been for almost 2 weeks.

So my current hypothesis is RT3 has a half-life of about 2.5 days. It makes no sense to "clear" it unless the problem that caused it is gone or it will reappear immediately. My iron seems to be below where it should be and my adrenals are a bit tired so I am working on those. If I am right, once my problem goes away my RT3 will decrease also on its own. I have never been on a Ketogenic diet but do not eat high quantities of carbs. I should probably monitor it more closely but I do nothing to avoid them except that I don't eat much gluten because it tends to bother my stomach. I do try to eat my body weight in protein and keep overall calories around 2400-2800/day. Weight train moderately 4x week for 40 min and bike for a couple hours 2-3 days/week.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

rt3 is a symptoms of the cause not the cause it self( <5% of the time). Look for the source of the problem to why rt3 are elevated. When rt3 are elevated it is done to protect the body. Why would you want to remove something meant to protect us? azzbackards logic and is making matters worse in majority of cases by dealing with it directly.
 
rt3 is a symptoms of the cause not the cause it self( <5% of the time). Look for the source of the problem to why rt3 are elevated. When rt3 are elevated it is done to protect the body. Why would you want to remove something meant to protect us? azzbackards logic and is making matters worse in majority of cases by dealing with it directly.

40%-60% of the T4 the thyroid produces is naturally converted to RT3. My approach could not possibly remove more than the body needs removed. My approach (addressing the likely cause) allows the body to reduce its own RT3 production and as the RT3 dies it is replaced with T3 and speeds up my thyroid.

3 weeks ago I started focusing of improving my iron levels through supplements and heme iron. I have developed a protocol that appears to work for me. Body temps had stabilized at 98.1 degrees during the day and then late yesterday shot up to 98.6 where they returned by 9am and remain at the moment. I'm not claiming success quite yet but after I string together a few more days I will know for sure. If so, any additional "clearing" or RT3 occurred naturally and was replaced with T3 in an appropriate ratio.
 
I just got some lab work back from Quest that a bit concerning:

Total Iron 65 (45-170)
TIBC 295 (250-425)
% Sat 22 (20-50%)
Ferritin 220 (20-380)

What I think it is saying is that I have plenty of iron in my blood (ferritin) but I am not using it well with such low other readings. My Ferritin isn't extremely high but about where it was a month ago but it was 90 in October. So does this mean I have some kind of inflammation that is using up my iron? How do I fix this?
Ummmmmm your levels are NORMAL.
Your readding too much into this.
Didnt your doctor tell you the levels are normal?
 
"Normal" means little. My test was "normal" at 380 8 months ago but no one wants test that low. In fact, the effectiveness of your thyroid is diminished if % sat is under 30%.
 
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