Help on using HCG for fertility.

[Mattgainz69]

Want to add hcg into my self trt just for ease of mind for future fertility. Been doing a lot of research and still slightly confused about it. If there's anyone whether it's via post in her or privately pm me that could help me I'd greatly appreciate it.



Few questions I have.



1. Correct dosing protocol?

2. How to administer? Ex. IM, sub, etc.

3. Where can I get hcg. Do I need to try to get it from a Dr.?

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

trt + hcg for fertility ?

wouldnt you be better off stopping trt and focusing on hcg if you want to fertilize ?

in for other peoples thoughts.

 

[pheeroni]

It's always recommended to stoping any exogenous testosterone, get your natural hormones in range, healthy HPTA and such.

Management of Anabolic Steroid-Induced Infertility: Novel Strategies for Fertility Maintenance and Recovery

There is often inherent conflict in the overlapping fields of male fertility and andrology. While the goal of all male fertility specialists is to facilitate and preserve biologic paternity, many practitioners also care for a significant number of patients ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"If a planned pregnancy is desired within the 6 to 12 months time frame, the authors suggest continuing TTh with adjuvant 500 IU HCG every other day [18]. CC at a dose of 25 mg per day should be considered an optional addition throughout this time. When planning for pregnancy over a year away, TTh with adjuvant 500 IU HCG may be continued but patients should be cycled off every six months given the increased risk of impaired fertility with prolonged, uninterrupted TTh [25]. Each off-cycle involves a four-week cycle of 3,000 IU of HCG every other day and CC 25 mg daily. During any of these above regimens, anastrozole may be added and titrated in dose to address any elevations in estradiol. Patients who cannot tolerate CC should substitute tamoxifen 10 mg twice daily.
Many men receiving TTh may not be interested in fertility but still wish to maintain normal testicular size. It is recommended that these individuals take 1,500 IU HCG weekly while on TTh. This dose is thought to be enough to maintain adequate levels of intratesticular testosterone in order to minimize testicular volume loss. Some men feel that periodically cycling off of TTh is symptomatically beneficial but this is an anecdotal observation and primarily a matter of patient preference."

Do let me know if there's new update on the protocols since i'm too lazy right now to search most recent studies

 

[Smont]

trt + hcg for fertility ?

wouldnt you be better off stopping trt and focusing on hcg if you want to fertilize ?

in for other peoples thoughts.

You don't need to come off

 

[Smont]

I've seen protocols where you stop pinning test for 2-3 weeks "which is not off you're still on" and then they do somewhere between 1500 and 3,000 IU of HCG every other day.

There's protocols where you stay on trt and add hcg and clomid

There's protocols where you come off and add HCG and clomid

There's protocols where you raise your testosterone to 3000 mg a week yes you read that correctly,

My point is that there's so many different protocols that I don't think anybody can answer this question for you.

The one i see most common is just adding hcg and clomid to the trt

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

You don't need to come off

you might not need too .. or dont have too .. but wouldnt other route be better ?

Like bridge TRT w/ HCG & clomid ?

other wise seems like just a longer route .. i guess does depend on how long u want plump nuts

 

[Smont]

you might not need too .. or dont have too .. but wouldnt other route be better ?

Like bridge TRT w/ HCG & clomid ?

other wise seems like just a longer route .. i guess does depend on how long u want plump nuts

I don't know man I'm not a doctor, but doctors do it both ways, and both ways work I'm sure for some people it would be better and I'm sure for some people it doesn't matter

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I don't know man I'm not a doctor, but doctors do it both ways, and both ways work I'm sure for some people it would be better and I'm sure for some people it doesn't matter

Tru Tru

 

[Smont]

you might not need too .. or dont have too .. but wouldnt other route be better ?

Like bridge TRT w/ HCG & clomid ?

other wise seems like just a longer route .. i guess does depend on how long u want plump nuts

Also I don't know what plump nuts has to do with anything, not everybody's nuts shrink on cycle or on trt, I've been on blast n cruise for 3 years straight in mine are the exact same size that they were the whole time, it doesn't mean that they're producing testosterone though.

My fertility does stay tho, never lost fertility, in fact most people don't. It's kind of like anything else if you were already going to lose your fertility then being on gear is going to speed up the process. If you weren't going to lose your fertility and we're very fertile to begin with you're probably going to stay that way

 

[Smont]

I feel like everyone thinks that steroids shrink your balls and make you one fertile and it's just not true. It happened to some people what I would say not even the majority of people lose fertility. Yes the majority of people's nuts shrink

 

[Smont]

By the way, I'm not trying to come off sounding any type of way, I'm at work using talk to text and rushing my responses

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I feel like everyone thinks that steroids shrink your balls and make you one fertile and it's just not true. It happened to some people what I would say not even the majority of people lose fertility. Yes the majority of people's nuts shrink

steroids do not .. blasting vs being on it for a life is a big difference

sorry i automatically assume when people say they are on TRT its for lifetime long .. and if thats the case im more then positive over the time you will lose your semen volume and balls will shrink since you are killing your natural testorone

( atleast what i was told by my endocrinologist )

 

[Smont]

steroids do not .. blasting vs being on it for a life is a big difference

sorry i automatically assume when people say they are on TRT its for lifetime long .. and if thats the case im more then positive over the time you will lose your semen volume and balls will shrink since you are killing your natural testorone

( atleast what i was told by my endocrinologist )

I'm going on three and a half years straight without coming off I'm on trt and I run two cycles a year. Zero testicular shrinkage and no noticable reduction in sperm volume. I'm pretty sure I've heard vigorous Steve and Chase irons say the same and they ben on 10+ years straight.

It's individual

 

[Smont]

Even on trestolone acetate which is supposed to be the most suppressive steroid in existence and was made as a male contraceptive originally I believe, no testicular shrinkage or reduced volume

 

[Smont]

Sorry I don't wanna derail this thread too far as I'm sure op is looking for a kid so it's a serious topic.

Also, this ain't something you shouldn't be asking your Bros about, it's something you should be talking to a fertility specialist about

 

[rascal14]

Recently listened to a podcast with Dr. Peter Attia, the absolute safest option would be stopping any exogenous hormones, and running HCG and Clomid together to restore your original or ideal fertility.

Like already said, this isn’t the only option but tends to be the option that provides the highest opportunity based on how the drugs work.

some people have all their children on blasts of Deca and Test, some people can’t reproduce after 5 years of TRT.

Best option would be get to a doctor and get a sperm count, if you’re good bank some. If not, try adding HCG and see if it helps, if not, come off completely and try HCG and or Clomid.

some people say HCG on cycle or TRT helps recovery once you come off TRT, I don’t know if there are any studies showing that or not.

 

[rixrix]

Want to add hcg into my self trt just for ease of mind for future fertility. Been doing a lot of research and still slightly confused about it. If there's anyone whether it's via post in her or privately pm me that could help me I'd greatly appreciate it.



Few questions I have.



1. Correct dosing protocol?

2. How to administer? Ex. IM, sub, etc.

3. Where can I get hcg. Do I need to try to get it from a Dr.?

1. Opinions vary. 250 every other day worked for me.
2. Use a insulin pin into to the belly fat every other day. Do not mix with oil based stuff, this is water based.
3. Officially, yes. Unofficially, it's a bit hard to find relative to, say, test C but you can definitely find it. Without getting into specific sources, I would find it worthwhile to check overseas pharmacies.

 

[Mattgainz69]

Recently listened to a podcast with Dr. Peter Attia, the absolute safest option would be stopping any exogenous hormones, and running HCG and Clomid together to restore your original or ideal fertility.

Like already said, this isn’t the only option but tends to be the option that provides the highest opportunity based on how the drugs work.

some people have all their children on blasts of Deca and Test, some people can’t reproduce after 5 years of TRT.

Best option would be get to a doctor and get a sperm count, if you’re good bank some. If not, try adding HCG and see if it helps, if not, come off completely and try HCG and or Clomid.

some people say HCG on cycle or TRT helps recovery once you come off TRT, I don’t know if there are any studies showing that or not.

Thanks man. Been on straight for like 8 years and my girl is now 8 weeks pregnant. Not sure if lucky or what but it happened. Just want to be ready in the future in case it's not as easy next time around