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Help me with my A"STEROID" stack!

fACK

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Hey! I was thinking of doing a lean bulk on:

PowerFULL: 7caps/day
Cissus: 6 caps/day
cAMPHIBOLIC: 5caps/day for 26 days
Bulk CEE(cycle off SizeON): 5g/day
GMS(nothing new): 2.5g/day Pre-Workout
Leucine: 15g/day

How does that look? I am thinking of doing it for about 20 days after my X-Factor cycle. Leucine will be newly introduced, and I will cycle off SizeON to CEE(will be on CEE 5 days pre-cycle).
Maybe I will blend in some Tribulus Terresteris.
Symmetry would be nice but it is 50 bucks(too much to try out something so new).
What do you guys think?

I will be eating like 250-500 calories above maintance. Probably will take 1 cap of sesamin pre-sleep.

I have a unfinished bottle of Cissus.
Used it for a little over 2 weeks like this:
Morning: 200mg Ibuprofen / 2 caps Cissus-RX
Pre-Workout: 200mg Ibuprofen / 2 caps Cissus-RX
Sleep: 200mg Ibuprofen / 2 caps Cissus-RX
Really hit me up! Especially with iceing(though ice got expensive :D) and straps. Though its not 100% cured, it was good enough for X-Factor I hope. I hope I dont use the rest of it up during X-Factor or I will need another bottle! heh..

So I currently have bulk CEE, bulk GMS, and about 13 day supply of CRX. I will buy 2 bottles of PowerFULL, 1 bottle of CRX, 1 bottle of cAMPHIBOLIC, going to run me $100 on bodybuilding.com. I will use powerFULL for 30 days flat, and save the rest for my next bulk(ofcourse with ant is other new bottle). I will probably add in some anti-flammatories into the mix. If my X-Factor cycle goes wrong due to joints I will probably take the full-out powerfull.

I am really happy about the new pricing. I was going to originally run PowerFULL but since I saved 20 bucks on it, I am going to get Cissus for pretty much free, and cAMPHIBOLIC looks good since it gives green tea/forslean/etc capped.

I REALLY like the new pricing. I purchased some Cissus powder but god damn that stuff tastes so foul! It tastes like mud, literally! I ended up uncapping Magnesium tabs because that stuff still tastes like ass, and capsules cost like 30 bucks for 1000 here(yes, nuts), and I am not about to go throught the pain of that. The new pricing knocks it off though, I think the owner knows what Cissus tastes like! WORST than anything I have ever tried, and it sticks somewhat to your fingers too. I also have a 10% off coupon, so its going to run me about 86 bucks for 1x Cissus, 1x Camp(gotta get more), and 2x powerFULL's

ARE THESE GETTING DISCONTINUED?!??!?!?!??! EXPIRING??

How long will the pricing last for? I wanna buy some for of this stuff! I wish they had Symmetry on sale too!

I am praying to god that powerFULL helps me sleep because it is 4AM and I'm still awake..
Update: 4:31, thought I should make this post easier to read.

The cAMP dosage will be 1 cap off, but I am running it lower then I would need for a cut as I am bulking, and I am doing it to get into my system so I can go full out on it straight off as I start my cut! Basically, no break.

Also, what is the ideal dosage for powerFULL? 7 caps straight out every day or can you lower the dosage on off days?
How much Forslean in cAMP? Please tell me :D
 
fACK said:
Hey! I was thinking of doing a lean bulk on:

PowerFULL: 7caps/day
Cissus: 6 caps/day
cAMPHIBOLIC: 5caps/day for 26 days
Bulk CEE(cycle off SizeON): 5g/day
GMS(nothing new): 2.5g/day Pre-Workout
Leucine: 15g/day

How does that look? I am thinking of doing it for about 20 days after my X-Factor cycle. Leucine will be newly introduced, and I will cycle off SizeON to CEE(will be on CEE 5 days pre-cycle).
Maybe I will blend in some Tribulus Terresteris.
Symmetry would be nice but it is 50 bucks(too much to try out something so new).
What do you guys think?

I will be eating like 250-500 calories above maintance. Probably will take 1 cap of sesamin pre-sleep.

I have a unfinished bottle of Cissus.
Used it for a little over 2 weeks like this:
Morning: 200mg Ibuprofen / 2 caps Cissus-RX
Pre-Workout: 200mg Ibuprofen / 2 caps Cissus-RX
Sleep: 200mg Ibuprofen / 2 caps Cissus-RX
Really hit me up! Especially with iceing(though ice got expensive :D) and straps. Though its not 100% cured, it was good enough for X-Factor I hope. I hope I dont use the rest of it up during X-Factor or I will need another bottle! heh..

So I currently have bulk CEE, bulk GMS, and about 13 day supply of CRX. I will buy 2 bottles of PowerFULL, 1 bottle of CRX, 1 bottle of cAMPHIBOLIC, going to run me $100 on bodybuilding.com. I will use powerFULL for 30 days flat, and save the rest for my next bulk(ofcourse with ant is other new bottle). I will probably add in some anti-flammatories into the mix. If my X-Factor cycle goes wrong due to joints I will probably take the full-out powerfull.

I am really happy about the new pricing. I was going to originally run PowerFULL but since I saved 20 bucks on it, I am going to get Cissus for pretty much free, and cAMPHIBOLIC looks good since it gives green tea/forslean/etc capped.

I REALLY like the new pricing. I purchased some Cissus powder but god damn that stuff tastes so foul! It tastes like mud, literally! I ended up uncapping Magnesium tabs because that stuff still tastes like ass, and capsules cost like 30 bucks for 1000 here(yes, nuts), and I am not about to go throught the pain of that. The new pricing knocks it off though, I think the owner knows what Cissus tastes like! WORST than anything I have ever tried, and it sticks somewhat to your fingers too. I also have a 10% off coupon, so its going to run me about 86 bucks for 1x Cissus, 1x Camp(gotta get more), and 2x powerFULL's

ARE THESE GETTING DISCONTINUED?!??!?!?!??! EXPIRING??

How long will the pricing last for? I wanna buy some for of this stuff! I wish they had Symmetry on sale too!

I am praying to god that powerFULL helps me sleep because it is 4AM and I'm still awake..
Update: 4:31, thought I should make this post easier to read.

The cAMP dosage will be 1 cap off, but I am running it lower then I would need for a cut as I am bulking, and I am doing it to get into my system so I can go full out on it straight off as I start my cut! Basically, no break.

Also, what is the ideal dosage for powerFULL? 7 caps straight out every day or can you lower the dosage on off days?
How much Forslean in cAMP? Please tell me :D
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If you wan to conserve dose PowerFULL like this

workout days
4 pre-workout with creatine
2 before bed

Off days
2 morning or mid day with creatine
2 night


Cissus
workout days
2 morning
2 pre-workout
2 post workout

I would drop the ibuprofen.

Symmetry will be onsale at Nutra and Planetary in 5 days at 35 dollars.

Symmetry
workout days
4 pre-workout
2 night

non workout days
2 morning
2 night

cAMPH
2 morning
2 pre-workout (with a caffiene spike)
1 night
 
Would it be more effective to use the full 7 of powerfull daily? or not really?
 
Ceosm, what are your thoughts of symmetry during cutting? This is the stack i have planned

powerfull
cAMP
Cissusrx
Albuterol
**symmetry?**

Do you think I should wait after my cut to get the full results from it?
 
fACK said:
I have a unfinished bottle of Cissus.
Used it for a little over 2 weeks like this:
Morning: 200mg Ibuprofen / 2 caps Cissus-RX
Pre-Workout: 200mg Ibuprofen / 2 caps Cissus-RX
Sleep: 200mg Ibuprofen / 2 caps Cissus-RX
Really hit me up! Especially with iceing(though ice got expensive :D) and straps. Though its not 100% cured, it was good enough for X-Factor I hope. I hope I dont use the rest of it up during X-Factor or I will need another bottle! heh..
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XFactor reps are saying Cissus is a no go while on Xfactor:study:
 
sublimejeh said:
XFactor reps are saying Cissus is a no go while on Xfactor:study:
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x-factor supposedly works by increasing arachidonic acid, which in turn increase the amount of eicosanoids in the body, which in turn is supposed to yield a higher prostaglandin release, which in turn leads to faster healing, etc.- i could go on- but basically it is the whole cascade-effect theory of the repair and growth cycle. we release prostaglandins in time of injury (macrotrauma), along w/ mast cells, kinins, and lymphokines. aspirin, NSAIDS, etc. inhibit prostaglandin release. prostaglandins and kinins also sensitize the nerve endings to pain (really), and get greater blood flow to the injured area w/ more nutrients. weight training is microtrauma, and selectively inhibiting mast cell congregation around the injured area (one of the effects of the terpenoids in cissus), will not stop muscular growth.
but i digress, i am sure it is a good supplement- looking forward to seeing the tester results
 
I've done x-factor... i never really felt the effects that people stated as like super pumps increased sweating, loss of bodyfat... I took it at the end of december when i started my bulk... gained 20-25 pounds during it's use... not sure if i can say the x-factor helped me or not or just my better diet.
 
20-25 pounds is GOODD!
Does anybody know why my log was deleted?
and what exactly is Symmetry?
 
USPLabs said:
What is Symmetry?

The first ingredient is Hydroxl4. Hydroxyl4 is a specialized extract of Cissus Quadrangularis. With extensive real world, university (India) research, and lots of research money, we extracted then concentrated 4 highly active Hrdroxyl keto sterones from cissus Quadrangularis for its pure anabolic nature.

Thadigaddalu is the second ingredient. The beauty our research team in India that can research with the locals on old tribal remedies. Thadigaddalu is a root used by a village in India for over 100 years to treat hormone imbalances like infertility and lack of sex drive. Thadigaddalu is said to balance and prime all hormones in the body to work much more efficiently especially during times of stress. Thadigaddalu is an adaptagen that works through hormone signaling! Basically it will supercharge your hormone system Naturally!

Does symmetry cause inhibition?

No….

IS symmetry Herbal?
yes
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theres a start...
 
D@USP LABS said:
x-factor supposedly works by increasing arachidonic acid, which in turn increase the amount of eicosanoids in the body, which in turn is supposed to yield a higher prostaglandin release, which in turn leads to faster healing, etc.- i could go on- but basically it is the whole cascade-effect theory of the repair and growth cycle. we release prostaglandins in time of injury (macrotrauma), along w/ mast cells, kinins, and lymphokines. aspirin, NSAIDS, etc. inhibit prostaglandin release. prostaglandins and kinins also sensitize the nerve endings to pain (really), and get greater blood flow to the injured area w/ more nutrients. weight training is microtrauma, and selectively inhibiting mast cell congregation around the injured area (one of the effects of the terpenoids in cissus), will not stop muscular growth.

A few years ago, experts like William Llewylln (creator of x-factor) were touting injectible bovine estrus hormone as the next holy grail of bodybuilding- as it caused increased prostaglandin release. Basically, it ended up fucking up a lot of people up who bought into the theory :( it was extraordinarily painful to inject, caused painful abdominal cramps, and also caused colonic spasms. but i digress, i am sure it is a good supplement- but the health benefits of the things they tell you not to take w/ it (omega 3's, cissus, flax seed oil, aspirin,etc.) far outweigh the benefits of taking this supplement- IMOH- even if you gain the 15 lbs. in 50 days like they claim in their ad.
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Okay, I know this is your section and all, but I can't help but respond to this. First, there are no health benefits to taking aspirin. It is to remove a symptom and create momentary relief. Flax oil is also not the health angel people think it is. So I see no problem in eliminating those two things from a diet.

Fish oil I fully support though (and I think Cissus is grrrreat!). With X-Factor, it is not about eliminating all things good in the realm of fatty acids. It is about striking the right balance. For the general public it would be too hard to outline the specifics of this therefore it is easier to say "limit fish intake to 2 servings per week, no flax, etc". However, the advanced user can learn how to properly balance the crucial fatty acids primarily by limiting EPA while combining DHA and AA in the proper ratio.

Since I don't really know the mechanism for Cissus's anti-inflammatory effects, I can't say whether it will interfere with XF or not. Depending on how it works, it may be fine to stack. If so, it would be an amazing stack.

As for the bovine estrus hormone... that's just a crazy idea. But then again, you're got people injecting Fina for muscle mass. Crazy, unhealthy things suddenly become okay in the world of pro bodybuilding.
 
Aeternitatis said:
Okay, I know this is your section and all, but I can't help but respond to this. First, there are no health benefits to taking aspirin. It is to remove a symptom and create momentary relief. Flax oil is also not the health angel people think it is. So I see no problem in eliminating those two things from a diet.

Fish oil I fully support though (and I think Cissus is grrrreat!). With X-Factor, it is not about eliminating all things good in the realm of fatty acids. It is about striking the right balance. For the general public it would be too hard to outline the specifics of this therefore it is easier to say "limit fish intake to 2 servings per week, no flax, etc". However, the advanced user can learn how to properly balance the crucial fatty acids primarily by limiting EPA while combining DHA and AA in the proper ratio.

Since I don't really know the mechanism for Cissus's anti-inflammatory effects, I can't say whether it will interfere with XF or not. Depending on how it works, it may be fine to stack. If so, it would be an amazing stack.

As for the bovine estrus hormone... that's just a crazy idea. But then again, you're got people injecting Fina for muscle mass. Crazy, unhealthy things suddenly become okay in the world of pro bodybuilding.
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aspirin has many protective benefits against heart attacks, strokes, and blood clots via its anti-coagulant and anti-platelet aggregation properties (not just in the elderly, but in all facets of the population). Flax oil tastes like dookie so i prefer other methods of getting EFA- i don't like fish oil burps, but it is good stuff- i agree- and everyone needs to find a balance of these compounds in their diet, but in the X-Factor ads it clearly says to minimize all of these compounds in the diet while using the supplement- and nothing about striking a balance in fatty acid consumption.

yeah- PGF-2a from Pfizer- scary ****- pro bodybuilders really take things to a whole new level!!!

25 lbs!!! I stand corrected!!!
 
I think Xfactor is a good product from all the reviews I read. I dont think the fact that you need to limit certain fatty acids and anti inflammatories is a big deal... I mean they ARE part of my daily diet, but for one cycle of 50 days... comon, if somebody can pack on 10-20 lbs of muscle in 50 days using this product then resume their daily omegas and anti inflammatories, XFactor is DEFINITLY worth it

I mean i LOVE USPlabs too... but I really think their supps can work great together.

I think both your companies should definitly work together on this forum and get testers to use a cycle of Cissus Rx and Xfactor to see if using the Cissus actually affects the xfactor results.

Im sure ppl would love to try these together, the only holding us back is the 140$ that cud potentially be wasted if they do work against each other. But if your companies sponsored logs Im sure plenty of ppl wud be willing to try this. Me included!!!!! :)
 
D@USP LABS said:
aspirin has many protective benefits against heart attacks, strokes, and blood clots via its anti-coagulant and anti-platelet aggregation properties (not just in the elderly, but in all facets of the population). Flax oil tastes like dookie so i prefer other methods of getting EFA- i don't like fish oil burps, but it is good stuff- i agree- and everyone needs to find a balance of these compounds in their diet, but in the X-Factor ads it clearly says to minimize all of these compounds in the diet while using the supplement- and nothing about striking a balance in fatty acid consumption.

yeah- PGF-2a from Pfizer- scary ****- pro bodybuilders really take things to a whole new level!!!

25 lbs!!! I stand corrected!!!
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The "benefits" from using low-dose aspirin as a preventative measure have been way overstated while simultaneously downplaying side effects. I think there are much more effective and safer ways of getting these benefits. Flax oil can't hold a candle to fish oil... though it does have special applications for those in certain disease state.

Get Carlson lemon flavored fish oil. It's the purest and when you burp it up all you taste is lemon. Good stuff!

If you want to talk fatty acid balance, go look at all the folks loading up on large amounts of fish, flax and sesamin. It is common and it is out of hand. No one has bothered (rather, I should say FEW have bothered) to point out the negative health risks associated with omega 3 (especially EPA) overload.

These people particularly are actually LOW in AA. AA has gotten a bad rep because of the n6 overconsumption in America due to too much vegetable oil (ironically not even a source of AA). These imbalance of n6 to n3 causes the body to store AA in tissues where it causes negative inflammation and serious health problems.

However, those who consume the proper ratio of n3-n6 (1:1 preferably) and lift weights intensely would benefit from increased AA intake whether it be from X-Factor or eggs, beef, etc. Actually, wild salmon used to be an HUGE source of AA and it was well balanced with DHA.

Does the ad really say 25 pounds?
 
Aeternitatis said:
The "benefits" from using low-dose aspirin as a preventative measure have been way overstated while simultaneously downplaying side effects. I think there are much more effective and safer ways of getting these benefits. Flax oil can't hold a candle to fish oil... though it does have special applications for those in certain disease state.

Get Carlson lemon flavored fish oil. It's the purest and when you burp it up all you taste is lemon. Good stuff!

If you want to talk fatty acid balance, go look at all the folks loading up on large amounts of fish, flax and sesamin. It is common and it is out of hand. No one has bothered (rather, I should say FEW have bothered) to point out the negative health risks associated with omega 3 (especially EPA) overload.

These people particularly are actually LOW in AA. AA has gotten a bad rep because of the n6 overconsumption in America due to too much vegetable oil (ironically not even a source of AA). These imbalance of n6 to n3 causes the body to store AA in tissues where it causes negative inflammation and serious health problems.

However, those who consume the proper ratio of n3-n6 (1:1 preferably) and lift weights intensely would benefit from increased AA intake whether it be from X-Factor or eggs, beef, etc. Actually, wild salmon used to be an HUGE source of AA and it was well balanced with DHA.

Does the ad really say 25 pounds?
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says 15lbs.- there is a post from another guy who gained 25lbs.!! interesting about the n3-n6 ratio- do you have anywhere i can get more info for balancing the two by taking supplements? you definitely piqued my curiousity! to clarify, basically what you are saying is x-factor corrects the imbalance caused by overconsumption of n3- but will it still work if there is no imbalance? or would it push the imbalance the other direction?

i definitely see the mech. of action behind x-factor- makes sense, lotta people testing it- i am very curious about the results!!! i would also like to see how a couple of things interact w/ it (like creatine, cissus, and bcaa's)- think it could be very interesting!
 
Well... im not sure whether or not to say x-factor did it or not... because it was the first time i really got my diet on track for a bulk and man oh man did i bulk!

I'll have to do a similar diet and see how well i bulk up without the x-factor. I really really hated the diet while on x-factor... I love most of the things i couldn't eat... but i did it... sometimes i would eat something with olive oil in it and i would be like... oh crap
 
D@USP LABS said:
says 15lbs.- there is a post from another guy who gained 25lbs.!! interesting about the n3-n6 ratio- do you have anywhere i can get more info for balancing the two by taking supplements? you definitely piqued my curiousity! to clarify, basically what you are saying is x-factor corrects the imbalance caused by overconsumption of n3- but will it still work if there is no imbalance? or would it push the imbalance the other direction?

i definitely see the mech. of action behind x-factor- makes sense, lotta people testing it- i am very curious about the results!!! i would also like to see how a couple of things interact w/ it (like creatine, cissus, and bcaa's)- think it could be very interesting!
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I'll be replying to you through a PM. I don't want to start mucking up the USP Labs forum with unrelated info. If anyone wants to continue the discussion, I suggest starting one in the general supplements section.
 
A- just shoot me an email @ [email protected]

AND don't worry about taking up space on our forum bud!!! you are not mucking up anything- i really encourage this type of discussion- keeps me on my toes!! i find it very interesting- i have a pretty good educational background in the field (masters in sport nutrition), but i definitely don't know everything (who does?)!!!
 
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