help me understand how this works

Joshinator

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Lets say a person was cutting and they wanted to get stronger. We understand Trest isnt a good option because its a bulker, it doesnt have as good muscle preservation effects compared to its tissue building effects, I think this has to do with nitrogen retention? Trest will also make a person stronger in a bulk but not so much in a cut. Anavar, on the other hand has great nitrogen retention properties but not too great bulking effects. It has pretty good strength properties, even in a cut.

So if a person ran them together, would anavars nitrogen retention help Trest add strength in the cut, or is Trest still not super useful in that situation?
I want to premise with - im not doing this, im trying to understand how this works. Tren would be a better cutter, i know, just help me understand how these substances work lol.
 
IMO anything that is a good bulker has fantastic tissue preserving effects. Anything that is anabolic is naturally anti catabolic

Someone could cut effectively with ANYTHING that they can effectively bulk with. Things that are thought of as bulkers get lumped into that category because they cause water retention and create a bloated bulky look with less definition. These are not good for cutting before a contest but would preserve muscle well

Winny for example, thought of as cutter. Dbol will preserve more muscle but won’t look as lean and cut on it. Of course most people are running test with another compound so have some anti catabolic properties from the test plus hardening properties with their secondary compound

Trest could be an effective cutter , it’s highly anabolic but does cause fluid retention which can be hard to manage if trying to obtain a lean hard look while on. Tren is so effective because it inhibits 11 beta hydroxylase and so has the fat loss properties with it that very few other compounds have .
 
I don't know exactly how the saying goes but when you chase two rabbits you don't catch either one
 
I’m going to tell you a secret that nobody seems to believe, you can cut and/or bulk on whatever you want, it’s all about the diet 🤯

Ppl used to use Dbol for contest for an example.

Use whatever you respond to the best and diet accordingly and you will get results.
 
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It's diet and cardio, gear is gear, and like biceps said. They all work for any purpose you want.

Also to the person who said dbol will hold more mass then winni. What makes you think that? Dbol May help you maintain some extra body weight and that bloat might improve your leverages to give you more strength but it's not going to do anything special for holding onto muscle that any other steroid doesn't do. Tren and winstrol are the 2 drugs I feel are the best at preservation of mass on a cut. But there all pretty close. Steroids are mostly made to preserve mass in situations where you can't eat or move, burn patients and **** like that.
 
IMO some compounds are better at promoting nitrogen retention and than others. Genetics play a role of course regarding how somebody responds to a compound.

Halotestin, winny, mast are going to make for a lean, hard, dry look but I don’t think (just my
opinion) that in an extreme cut one would hold as much mass with them .

I definitely didn’t say someone would look better on dbol though.

I agree you can bulk or cut on anything. For most it won’t matter. For the people it does matter for already are sufficiently lean and heading into a contest , and the pre contest drugs that everyone thinks are “cutters” will shine, but just for those select people

Again it is also variable person to person. Some people may respond great to winny, some people may not love the results,some people are going to most people are going to harden up and have their joints feel like they are about to turn to dust
 
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