Help!! First PH?

Techn9cian

Techn9cian

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Hi I'm currently thinking of trying a pro-hormone, a friend at my gym is currently running Halovol-V for 4 weeks as his first cycle with a named brand complete PCT. But depending on his results I'll be more inclined to try something. I understand cycles and PCT's but due to so many posts on the net it's confusing of what is right and what is bad.

I'm 21 years old, 5'6 short, currently 168lbs, 11% body fat. Been weightlifting since October 2009 where I was 118lbs. My bench is currently 264lbs, squat and deadlift 342lbs, but reached plateau.

My diet is clean, high protein, lots of fruit and veg, currently taking multi vit, ZMA and at the moment PhD Pharma Gain, Creatine and Animal M Stak for a 3 weeks cycle as progression has slowed down. I'm looking to gain some lean size, really I would like to be a lean 13stone, obviously I won't reach those results from one cycle but that is the aim for the future.

All sorts of help will be taken on board and greatly appreciated!

Thank you.
 
Welcome to Anabolicminds mate
good age, good weight, good experience. i say go for it.

don't do 4 weeks, thats when the fun starts, id def look into 2-3 bottles and either runnin longer or higher dosed cycle.

Also, i highly recommend you avoid OTC PCT's, as they do 1/10th of what you want them to do.

No clue what PH your gonna run but look into a lot of them, and do tons of research.
 
Yes, you want a true research-grade SERM for your PCT. And definitely look around and figure out which PH is right for you and your goals.

ManBeast
 
Thanks for the help much appreciated. What do you recommend for first time PH use? Other guys who have taken various PHs and steds, said about epistine. I just want to get things right.
 
I just got done with a hdrol cycle 3 weeks ago and loved it. It was my second go with hdrol over the past 2 yrs and had pretty decent gains that stuck after pct. But every product reacts differently for each one of us, good luck.
 
Thanks for the info, I think Hdrol will be most suitable for me. Shall I follow FlashSundays recommendations for a 6 week cycle as above, Use nolva for a 6 week PCT?
 
Yeah mine was very similar except i only did 5 weeks but also finished with 100mg. My pct consisted of a clomid/nolva mix which worked well for me.
 
Competitive Edge Labs has a lot of PH's, do your research before you listen to any of us.
That brand and epi are VERY popular
 
6 week Hdrol cycle & PCT

I've been reading up for a few months now as the guy I've been training with purchased his stack last year.

Hdrol - 50/75/75/75/75/75-100?/75-100? Obviously if results are good I will maintain the 75mg ED.
Along with Milk Thistle or some other cycle support?

PCT - Nolva Day 1 - 60mg
Week 1 40mg ED
Week 2 20mg ED
Week 3 20mg ED
Week 4 10mg ED

Alongside side any other supps like creatine, trib, ZMA?
 
no, 40/40/20/20 is ideal, maybe some clom in there since your dosing it high.

I THINK im not sure, that pmag is better(Same Company), personally i ran 6 weeks at only 50mg and results were more than expected, but its all about diet, don't expect a lot if your not eating heavy.

EDIT- spelling
 
I think for my first PH I will stick at 50mg. Use nolva as PCT. Would you recommend any liver support? Milk thistle during or afterwards?

Thank you all for you help.
 
don't run it during, i read somewhere that 50mg is so untoxic that too much liver support garbage can actually prevent gains... not sure if true never looked into, but save milk thistle for PCT days, best of luck mate :)
 
Techn9cian said:
I think for my first PH I will stick at 50mg. Use nolva as PCT. Would you recommend any liver support? Milk thistle during or afterwards?

Thank you all for you help.
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Run it for 6 weeks bumping up to atleast 75 mg...50 mg is pointless in my opinion. Run Nolva for 4 weeks at 20/20/10/10. No need to do 40 unless you want to dose that for the first 2 days then lower it to 20. You NEED liver support. This is a methylated compound and although it's not going to destroy your liver, why risk it? Just grab some CEL cycle assist and run it throughout the cycle. Don't take the hdrol and cycle assist at the same time though because some say that the cycle assist can mess up the absorption of the hdrol. Just dose them like 4 hours apart and you should be good to go.
 
Literally just stated almost everything you said...

anyway, i dont get why running 50mg is pointless?
i ran 6 weeks of pmag/ht25 and put on 20lbs...Really dont find that useless
 
uniifirex said:
Literally just stated almost everything you said...

anyway, i dont get why running 50mg is pointless?
i ran 6 weeks of pmag/ht25 and put on 20lbs...Really dont find that useless
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50mg is fine, but 75 will work if you want to for the last 2 weeks or so, playing it safe. 6 weeks at 50 will see results. You need liver support and nolva at 20/20/10/10
 
jamesm11 said:
50mg is fine, but 75 will work if you want to for the last 2 weeks or so, playing it safe. 6 weeks at 50 will see results. You need liver support and nolva at 20/20/10/10
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I think milk thistle/grape seed extract is main ingredient in liver support anyway.
I ran 40/40/20/20 on 6 weeks, better safe than sorry.
 
If I use nolvadex 20/20/10/10 is my prefered dosing. I might do 40 for the first day or two but otherwise I start at 20
 
Personally I thing torem is a better serm all around, but h drol nolva is fine at 20/20/10/10. No need to go higher on such a light ph.
 
uniifirex said:
don't run it during, i read somewhere that 50mg is so untoxic that too much liver support garbage can actually prevent gains... not sure if true never looked into, but save milk thistle for PCT days, best of luck mate :)
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Dude....seriously ?
Maybe I read that wrong but are you actually telling someone to not use any form of liver support while on cycle ?
 
he's saying "too much" liver support not "no" liver support.
ManBeast
 
uniifirex said:
I think milk thistle/grape seed extract is main ingredient in liver support anyway.
I ran 40/40/20/20 on 6 weeks, better safe than sorry.
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The nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 is gonna be harsher on his system than the hdrol. No need for so much serm for such a mild cycle. I mean 40/40/20/20 is used for full blown 14 week test cycles. It's NOT good for you to take serms, it's just a necessary step in recovery. Serms are actually really hard on your body.

Because there is no real gyno issues on cycle or even in recovery from hdrol, my suggestion is a clomid pct with nolva on hand and only used if gyno necessitates it. Do your libido a favor and use clomid or toremiphene. I think clomid brings me back fastest and is way more mild than nolva.
 
I've always used a mix of nolva and clomid ~1/2 dosages of each. Both have their pros and cons. I've never had the chance to mess with torem yet.

ManBeast
 
FlashSunday said:
Personally I thing torem is a better serm all around, but h drol nolva is fine at 20/20/10/10. No need to go higher on such a light ph.
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he said he's running up to 100mg, don't see how that would be a light PH
 
H drol itself is a class 2 ph. It is a light ph and by itself minimum I would dose is 75 mg. Stacked or above 100 mg I might up the nolva, but honestly I wouldn't even bother personally.
 
i cycled hdrol my first time around and gained a pile of weight. i did 50/75/75/75/75 and ran nolva pct 20/20/10/10. epi has worked well for also but i'm not a huge fan as it is a libido killer. that's just me though. i'm starting a andromass/ protomax stack monday. you may want to check out protomax. it is supposed to give similar gains as hdrol with very few sides and is very mild on the liver. it's cheap too. the company that makes it is a good company. good luck, this is great site for info
 
...Or he could take AndroMass or AndroBulk (releasing in 1 week) and not worry about being overly suppressed.

...or bother with liver support

-Matt
 
ManBeast said:
I've always used a mix of nolva and clomid ~1/2 dosages of each. Both have their pros and cons. I've never had the chance to mess with torem yet.

ManBeast
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Helladrol would be nice for a first ph. I ran it for six weeks 50/50/75/75/100/100 and I think I should have started at 75mg.
SERM and bulk DAA would be the bare bones if a PCT. From there you can add some other goodies to keep the gains you make. I recommend some form of AI for pct to help with strength and maintain a good testosterone to estrogen balance. I have heard many good things about formastanzol. Strong transdermal AI. Also, for test boosting needs I would use some 3,4 divy, fadogia, or fenugreek fenuside extract. If you have anymore questions just shoot me a PM. ;)
 
Right guys, it's been a few weeks now and I have been checking up on the net.

This is my proposed H-Drol cycle and PCT.

H-Drol - 50/50/50/50/75/75
Milk thistle as stated dose

Nolva - 20/20/20/10
Creatine
ZMA

Possible taurotest or DAA as test booster but I've read about people taking them from the last week of the cycle. Can someone help me out please?
 
I'm still doing my research regarding that, but I'm starting to lean towards a smaller dose (like 1/2) ED during the last week of a cycle as a good idea.

ManBeast
 
most have started it with pct, but a few have said that other things that they use that contain DAA while on cycle have made their boys tingle, which is a sign of some sort of stimulation to produce test. I know HCG did that for me when I did a longer cycle years ago.

ManBeast
 
Techn9cian said:
Your advice is greatly appreciated Beast! Can anyone else help with my query of how to take DAA as part of a PCT?
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Some guys running AndroSeries products once-a-day are pulsing DAA (TCF-1) at night as the peak androgen levels decline and allow some minor endogenous LH and FSH to pulse, keeping testes somewhat sensitized for retaining gains when PCT arrives.

-Matt
 
TY Matt, your inputs have definitely helped me work on refining PCT protocals.

ManBeast
 
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