I used them exclusively when I was younger, thier products are solid, some of them have a kitchen sink in them like anabolic muscle, I use to devour that crap but they changed the taste and it is not as good as others as well as I don't need "hot stuff" like crap. their steroidal complex is a neat little concoction but it's geared more towards the older lifter ( I will be there very soon) as dhea does little for young men. they have one of the best creatine pills on the mkt, not to expensive and has golden supporting nutrients and consider this the formula has been the same for more than 10 yrs. which made me believe that back in the days they were very cutting edge.