HCG with PH's?

[MrBEEF]

Guys,

Why don't people use HCG in PCT using strong PH's? Is it due to cycle length?

Seems to be pretty important =/

Do any of the HCG boosting supplements work well for PCT? If so, which ones?

I assume HCG is used on cycles grater than 6 weeks? Seems like if I run a combo6-week cycle like Tren and Epi it should be used no?

-Beef

 

[zcol94]

Hcg shouldn't be used in pct, use it on cycle
And it's probably because most guys using ph's don't want to pin

 

[goodvibes]

Good question, from what I've read though it's easier to bounce back from ph and the shorter cycle is probably one of the biggest factor

 

[MrBEEF]

Hcg shouldn't be used in pct, use it on cycle
And it's probably because most guys using ph's don't want to pin

According to Anabolics 2006, it should ONLY be used in the first 3 weeks of PCT, every 4-5 days, as 'shocking' the system to jump start. Using this more than that can cause insensitivity to the Leydig (spelled wrong) cells.

But zcol94, I have seen places sell kits where they ARE used during cycle. Can you explain?

It's hard to argue that Anabolics 2006 is incorrect. Can someone here also comment here?

Reason I am asking is going to do a more advanced cycle(more advanced for me) (Tren, Epi, Dermacine), and with those 2 PH's, I am concerned with the harsh shutdown.

 

[xhrr]

Read a study hcg makes your balls bigger but doesn't increase testosterone

 

[zcol94]

You could use it in cycle to keep your balls or blast it the first week of pct but pct is to get you back to normal so why take something that is going to cause that to take longer

 

[zcol94]

Read a study hcg makes your balls bigger but doesn't increase testosterone

Hcg used on cycle isn't for test, it's to keep your boys, some guys are using it to stay fertile

 

[xhrr]

Hcg used on cycle isn't for test, it's to keep your boys, some guys are using it to stay fertile

I'm pretty unfamiliar with hcg but why would keeping your boys be important at all? Hcg is supposed to act like LH in the body so it should obviously maintain the size of your boys but what does the size of your balls matter if your still shut down?

 

[zcol94]

From what I understand since it acts as lh it keeps the leydig cells functioning so you are still able to produce sperm

 

[MrBEEF]

From what I understand sinInvalid Link Removedce it acts as lh it keeps the leydig cells functioning so you are still able to produce sperm

See attached picture. Looks like FSH + Test = More Sperm and LH (HCG) ==> Test.

So in Anabolics 2006, it makes sense how they are using it, but there are places where you buy kits, and they show the cycle, using HCG DURING as you stated.

I am sure both has tradeoff...seems like taking it during cycle helps with atrophy, but that is all. The kits are using Sustanon, so there is plenty Test for lethargy/sex drive.

Anabolics 2006 make sense to me, but so does during-cycle. The biggest issue is taking too much HCG in a row can cause desensitization, and because of this I lean towards taking it in PCT.


If I were to run TR3N + EPI5TANE + BPS Dermacrine (Test base/Lethargy), for 6-weeks, do you think HCG is needed?

Another interesting thing in this book is that he lays out a typical best of PCT. He uses both Clomid AND Nolva.