Hawthorn berry or Hawthorn berry extract for lowering BP?

Lol !!! TY point taken and like I said I feel stupid that I missed and then bought the wrong stuff.

Oh well live and learn.

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WARBIRDWS6 said:
AH is legit, there is really no two ways about that part. I mean it will jack up your DHT no doubt....vascularity and all that good stuff. the same can be said for AL, its 7/11 which is a proven combo....and this delivery system seems to work well with it....I am dosing it at 4 caps per day though for 6 weeks since I was coming off of 6 weeks on prototype 7 and 11 spray....I was doing 30-35 sprays of them, so 4 caps of AL should be the equivalent to that. but yeah, for PH's with little to no sides (safety), and that effectively do what they say (its not hard to do that when you use the correct ingredients with a solid delivery system), they are all great products so far. I'll be using AM2 and 3 and ABv3 within the next 8-12 months so I can't comment on them yet, they are just sitting there waiting to be swallowed :D But I don't mind spending money on supplements when I'm buying from a reputable company that will dose it properly and is safety conscious.....those aspects are key
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Sounds like a commercial ha ha Thanks for the feedback though. Another thing that got me interested is their monthly payments option. For the steroid user on a budget.
 
Mass Monkey said:
Lol !!! TY point taken and like I said I feel stupid that I missed and then bought the wrong stuff.

Oh well live and learn.

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Actually I was saying it in general since there were comments here and there in this thread about hawthorn is the same as hawthorn extract....or i thought there were comments to that affect in here....so not directed at you lol :D
 
epstaneman said:
Sounds like a commercial ha ha Thanks for the feedback though. Another thing that got me interested is their monthly payments option. For the steroid user on a budget.
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they have a monthly payment plan? not so sure that is a good thing, it might be an indicator your products are overpriced LMFAO. that being said I have bought at least one of everything ASeries other than AD....which I don't need any more brain stimulation...my mind goes a mile a minute w/o assistance :D
 
Hawthorn extract and the like does nothing for me.. Celery Seed Extract does as it mimmics a mild diuretic and calcium channel blocker.

Mike
 
Well after I use up the HB if I'm still not happy I'll try the CS.

However, I must say I felt good tonight at work so maybe the split does thing is starting to kick in a bit.

If I do buy CS is that an extract as well? Lol don't want to make the same mistake twice.

Or can I just toss some celery in my juicer and drink that lol!!!! Ok I'm being totally stupid but it's late and thought I'd toss a funny out.

All the best and I have learned a lot from this post thanks guys

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Mass Monkey said:
Well after I use up the HB if I'm still not happy I'll try the CS.

However, I must say I felt good tonight at work so maybe the split does thing is starting to kick in a bit.

If I do buy CS is that an extract as well? Lol don't want to make the same mistake twice.

Or can I just toss some celery in my juicer and drink that lol!!!! Ok I'm being totally stupid but it's late and thought I'd toss a funny out.

All the best and I have learned a lot from this post thanks guys

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yup.. celery seed extract.. just google it.
 
criticalbench said:
yup.. celery seed extract.. just google it.
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OK cool I'll pick some up if needed but for now it seems to be holding its own . . I only have 2 more weeks ON cycle then PCT . . question: will Nolvadex raise my BP or will it slowly start to drop once I'm off the PH? . . any ideas
 
Mass Monkey said:
OK cool I'll pick some up if needed but for now it seems to be holding its own . . I only have 2 more weeks ON cycle then PCT . . question: will Nolvadex raise my BP or will it slowly start to drop once I'm off the PH? . . any ideas
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So how's the cycle been treating you? Pro's....con's?


You should definitely continue your assist products through pct for blood pressure, prostate, cholesterol and so forth.
 
epstaneman said:
So how's the cycle been treating you? Pro's....con's?


You should definitely continue your assist products through pct for blood pressure, prostate, cholesterol and so forth.
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Oh for sure buddy allllll the way through just doing research for next cycle . . . this cycle is set and no problems and no side other than a slightly elevated BP . . up 10 pounds and counting so I'm very, very happy . . being a powerlifter I wasn't looking for any strength gains just mass now that I'm retired and so far MASS is what I'm getting.

But yes all supports will continue right through PCT and well after cycle to help clean after.
 
yeah sorry BTW . . I have not updated my log in a few days . . been dealing with some heavy family crap but I think its over and I'll be back on track . . family BS has to be the hardest thing to work through but we do the do no matter what there buddy . . we are not mortal . . we are among the Gods lol!!!!
 
Mass Monkey said:
yeah sorry BTW . . I have not updated my log in a few days . . been dealing with some heavy family crap but I think its over and I'll be back on track . . family BS has to be the hardest thing to work through but we do the do no matter what there buddy . . we are not mortal . . we are among the Gods lol!!!!
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family first bro
 
Well we had a monumental chat and I think the storm is over. Just in time for arm day (:

But yes family is always number one.

We can always train BUT our family will only be on this Earth for so long. So enjoy them while they are here.

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Oh and I think my BP is actually coming down as I have felt better this week. Will check it on Saturday. I know it sounds stupid but I have always been able to detect and feel slight changes in my body. So even though it's up just a tad I notice it.

The only thing I did different was cut out my psyllium husk mid afternoon. And that is 3 hours after my supports so I highly doubt that is it so maybe the berries are kicking in.

That being said I'll be heading into the city on the weekend and will pick up the extract if it's still up. Just in case the Nolvadex pushes it up a bit during PCT

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