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Hawking on ET Life

yea pretty interesting, what really got me tyhinkin was when he was talking about time travel, and the reasons why it will never happen...one of his reasoning was because if it did we would be seeing travelers from the future right now... which at first made sense but the more i thought about that the more i got confused. This exact second of time is the furthest we have come in the time line of life, the world,time ect. The future has not yet been written, it is blank, empty, black. So physically time travel has not yet been discovered so whos to say it wont be and then we will start to travel back in time..... then again on the other hand... if one was to travel back in time, thats exactly what people from the past would say...


edit: maybe they have laws in the future about time travel and how it has to be discrete in some ways, so not to change anyhting... or maybe time travel in the future can only be acheived through visions of some sort.
 
what if we are the smart guys??
you know the et's that are the smartest and have the best crap!

i've never seen a ufo so i don't believe in them.
what if we aren't done evolving into what we are to become?
maybe we are the beings that are gonna reach out and talk to some other planet before they have the capabilities to.

just a thought
 
canadian champ said:
Search for The Singularity.... read, 'When humans transcend biology: The Singularity is Near' by Ray Kurzweil.
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I have read about that before, fascinating stuff!

If your interested in that you should really take a look at this website: Invalid Link Removed
 
There's no way you could time travel. The argument that we'd be seeing time travelers now or would have seen them at some point in time is exactly right.
How can you arrive somewhere before you leave? How could you exist before you exist?
Time travel is garbage.
 
TheCrownedOne said:
There's no way you could time travel. The argument that we'd be seeing time travelers now or would have seen them at some point in time is exactly right.
How can you arrive somewhere before you leave? How could you exist before you exist?
Time travel is garbage.
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if there were such thing as timetravel, thats exactly what would happen. But... there really is no way time travel could ever possibly be done, its just not possible for so many reasons.

o ps. superman did it when he made earth rotate backward.
 
Time travel is very possible. More so if you inact the string theory. Also possible is inner and inter dimensional travel which many feel is a better explination for UFO's
 
MaynardMeek said:
Time travel is very possible. More so if you inact the string theory. Also possible is inner and inter dimensional travel which many feel is a better explination for UFO's
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Exactly...The way I feel about it is, it seems impossible, but if the brightest minds on the planet haven't ruled it out yet, neither will I.

And, the theory of relativity has been dead-on for so many instances and it supports time travel, so until we can disprove it, there is no way I will say its not possible.
 
String theory is nearly pointless.

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At its core [string theory] is a new proposal for the fundamental constituents of matter and energy … a little vibrating filament. It's hard to say what it's made of, but the word "energy" kind of captures it. It's a vibrating filament of energy that lies within every particle.

Okay, so what is energy made of? And what is that made of? And what is that made of? On and on it goes until...what? By their interpretation, it should go on endlessly, but that's just silly. String theory is laughable to me. They try to say that the smallest, most fundamental thing in existence is made of a uniquely vibrating string.

An electron is literally a vibrating loop of string. Just as the strings in a violin can vibrate in different patterns, producing different musical notes, these strings can also vibrate different ways. If you take all the elementary constituents of the universe and magnify them sufficiently, the only difference between them would be how the string is vibrating.

A string made of what?! What string? What does the string "float" in?

Geez...this is lame.

Moving at the speed of light to time travel? BAH! If we approached even a small fraction of the speed of light and contacted a corpuscle of dust (which space is chock full of), we would explode massively. The End.
Many question the maxim that the speed of light is unsurpassable. Everything in a closed system tends toward disorder, and since our universe is THE closed system, the speed of light is not immune to the laws of thermodynamics. Light has probably slowed down.
 
TheCrownedOne said:
String theory is nearly pointless.

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At its core [string theory] is a new proposal for the fundamental constituents of matter and energy … a little vibrating filament. It's hard to say what it's made of, but the word "energy" kind of captures it. It's a vibrating filament of energy that lies within every particle.

Okay, so what is energy made of? And what is that made of? And what is that made of? On and on it goes until...what? By their interpretation, it should go on endlessly, but that's just silly. String theory is laughable to me. They try to say that the smallest, most fundamental thing in existence is made of a uniquely vibrating string.

An electron is literally a vibrating loop of string. Just as the strings in a violin can vibrate in different patterns, producing different musical notes, these strings can also vibrate different ways. If you take all the elementary constituents of the universe and magnify them sufficiently, the only difference between them would be how the string is vibrating.

A string made of what?! What string? What does the string "float" in?

Geez...this is lame.

Moving at the speed of light to time travel? BAH! If we approached even a small fraction of the speed of light and contacted a corpuscle of dust (which space is chock full of), we would explode massively. The End.
Many question the maxim that the speed of light is unsurpassable. Everything in a closed system tends toward disorder, and since our universe is THE closed system, the speed of light is not immune to the laws of thermodynamics. Light has probably slowed down.
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Yes, quite.

Creationism is a far more scientifically sound concept....
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Yes, quite.

Creationism is a far more scientifically sound concept....
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Exactly...I don't ever go out of my way to bash creationism despite the fact the evidence is developing a trend in the direction of "bologna". (At least, creationism in the traditional sense. I'm not opposed to some sort of intelligent design. My feeble mind doesn't like the concept of "no beginning and no end" wthout supernatural intervention).
 
Yeah. It just bothers me when individuals of certain religious orders are so quick to bash any theory which attempts to intelligibly discern the origin of life at it's most basic level.
 
TheCrownedOne said:
There's no way you could time travel. The argument that we'd be seeing time travelers now or would have seen them at some point in time is exactly right.
How can you arrive somewhere before you leave? How could you exist before you exist?
Time travel is garbage.
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We would only see time travelers if they wanted to be seen. They can be where no one is, take measurements and samples of things that wouldn't be missed, and can be among people so long as they know they will never influence the world again. Such as, people who will die in air crashes, who are trapped under rubble or in burning buildings. Time travelers would technically be able to know who they can talk and can not interact with if they did travel.

Also all this assumes time moves in one direction. we perceive it as such, so far as I know even physicists just sort of accept time as a given, no one has gone to any great depths to explain what it is. And the laws of physics seems to work no matter which direction time is heading. What I'm getting at is a determinism that's possible even if not exactly what we think of as determinism. That time travelers, if they did travel to past, are already living in the future their interactions in the past have caused. In other words the typical paradox of building a time machine and then going back in time and killing your father by this theory could not happen. You could try and somehow would fail at every instance because his life was necessary for you to build the time machine. Odd, but the general idea is that what works going forward has to work going backward.
 
I suppose it is impossible for those without appreciation for "far-out" views such as creationism to LEAVE IT OUT OF A CONVERSATION THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE IT AT ALL. Why did you two even bring that up? It's not a part of the discussion of time travel just because I happen to believe I was "poofed" here ("thought" here, actually). I love how neither of you took the time and intellectual effort to debate a single simple point I made, choosing rather to attack an irrelevant idea that I happen to believe. Your fear is showing.

However, I do thank CDB for not being such a dork. ;)
 
Our bad...we've read all of your other posts and "ass"umed that was your alternative theory.

Although we were probably right in that regard, you are right.you didn't bring it up.

BTW, thinking and poofing are pretty much the same thing :rasp:

:)
 
TheCrownedOne said:
I suppose it is impossible for those without appreciation for "far-out" views such as creationism to LEAVE IT OUT OF A CONVERSATION THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE IT AT ALL. Why did you two even bring that up? It's not a part of the discussion of time travel just because I happen to believe I was "poofed" here ("thought" here, actually). I love how neither of you took the time and intellectual effort to debate a single simple point I made, choosing rather to attack an irrelevant idea that I happen to believe. Your fear is showing.

However, I do thank CDB for not being such a dork. ;)
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Calm yourself little internet warrior.

If you tell me that your utter and quick dismissal of String Theory has absolutely nothing to do with the fact it would challenge your religious beliefs than fine, I apologize for assuming that you could not seperate secular and religious science. Though the link in your signature debunking religion implies that is not the case.

However, you are right I did not intelligibly argue your points, so now I will. You called the Universe the "Closed System" though most physicists do not. Most consider the Total System to be so macroscopic that it can be considered an unlimited (or nearest to it) heat reservoir rendering it so that no matter how much heat is transferred to or from one subsystem to the other
the surrounding temperature will remain, and and no matter how much the volume expands or contracts the pressure of the surroundings will remain. I am assuming you considered light as a variable of heat enegry, that will invariably cool as the system contracts. However, given the vast expanse of our system the amount that light of energy would have lost (had it lost any) would be completely and utterly negligible and not worth discussion. If you choose to view the Universe as that much of a closed system fine, I however do not.
 
And fear? Fear of what may I ask? If you referring to the fear that in some Southern states the concept of Church and State being seperate, and that the equality of education regardless of religious following is being challenged, then yes I am very afraid. I am afraid that future generations are going to robbed of indiscrimate education, not to mention being taught the concepts which have the most amount of scientific merit, I am quite afraid of that actually.
 
Haven't there been enough threads about creationism and the religious here vs the nonreligious? Far be it from me to turn down a debate, but isn't time travel more fun? I think Alternate history novels show most people think it is anyway. What would have happened if is a question everyone has asked.
 
What if aliens were future evolved humans, popping out of nowhere disapearing, doing sexual things to humans and tests. the more i think about it, the more i realise........


I need sleep.
 
somewhatgifted said:
What if aliens were future evolved humans, popping out of nowhere disapearing, doing sexual things to humans and tests. the more i think about it, the more i realise........


I need sleep.
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good call....

i wonder if aliens work out?
 
Speaking of aliens. How about some Dane Cook?

This would be the ultimate full circle slap in the face of the United States: What if this happens, because look, we are the greatest country on Earth, but we get a little ****y from time to time. If we don't like the way your country's doing its business, we'll kick the door in, "Hey, hey knock it off, you're bugging the world, cut it out." And if you don't listen to us we'll throw all kinds of weapons and crazy **** at cha', which we always apololigize about using twenty or thirty years later. "Listen we're really sorry about that, we were a little drunk at the time and we got a little rambunctious. The bomb...we didn't know it was going to do that. We thought it was a contained blast, and we didn't know it would make everything blown to smithereens. And you were being kind of a *****. Country! {snap} Country! {snap} you were being kind of a *****. Are we cool now? And do ya mind if we leave like three or four thousand troops and maybe some supplies here? Do ya, DO YA MIND?! You wouldn't want us to get drunk again would you?! High five us, photo opt, FA-CHINK! [camera sound]."
We get a little ****y. What if when the mothership comes over middle America and we are all sitting watching TV, all the news crews are just focusing on there watching, right, what if one of the hatches finally open, and out of the UFOs come thousands of 100 foot Native American Indians? We're gonna be watching like "****, those are huge Indians! Please tell me they aren't giant Indians - damnit they're huge Indians. Alright, good game America; we had some fun, huh? Hi, Giant Indians, we did some **** and ahhh... Could you show us how to make giant corn!"
 
CDB said:
Haven't there been enough threads about creationism and the religious here vs the nonreligious? Far be it from me to turn down a debate, but isn't time travel more fun? I think Alternate history novels show most people think it is anyway. What would have happened if is a question everyone has asked.
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Sorry CDB, my retort was definitely not centered around religion, the emphasis was the last part on thermodynamics.

To the CrownedOne..Are you serious? You have a hissy-fit for my comments not intelligibly debating yours and then your reply with Dane ****ing Cook?
 
CDB said:
Haven't there been enough threads about creationism and the religious here vs the nonreligious? Far be it from me to turn down a debate, but isn't time travel more fun? I think Alternate history novels show most people think it is anyway. What would have happened if is a question everyone has asked.
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But, don't you see CDB? Inside of every interesting and complex subject lies a dulll, seemingly obvious, and much simpler one--almost but not quite unrelated--that the less than brilliant masses will choose to argue over instead of the original topic at hand. So, in essence, we'll always be stuck talking about the creationism v alternative theories.

:)
 
NickyNoNames said:
good call....

i wonder if aliens work out?
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One: He benches 800lbs, raw!!

Two: Wow!

Three: He has fives arms though...

One and Two: Well, that's kind of lame.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Sorry CDB, my retort was definitely not centered around religion, the emphasis was the last part on thermodynamics.

To the CrownedOne..Are you serious? You have a hissy-fit for my comments not intelligibly debating yours and then your reply with Dane ****ing Cook?
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Yeah I'm serious! I didn't stutter, did I ;)

Calm yourself, little internet warrior :)
 
weird unexplainable **** always intrigues me.....so interesting.
Theres actually some good stuff over at BB.com about stuff like this that i thnk i spent a whole day reading and pondering.
 
danTman2 said:
weird unexplainable **** always intrigues me.....so interesting.
Theres actually some good stuff over at BB.com about stuff like this that i thnk i spent a whole day reading and pondering.
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It should be a crime to use the words "read," "ponder," and "BB.com" in the same paragraph.
 
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