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Havoc + test base log with pic

I'll wait to open because before I want talk with the staff of this site. I know german pharma is legit but 1 of the 4 bottle is expired and have a different bottle.
 
Yeah 1 bottle is way expired. I heard that epistane doesn't age very well either. I'd try getting my money back or exchange.
 
I don't know what is going on, all I can tell you is that is some bullsh!t
 
If it is indeed legit Epi, then even the expired is most likely fine to use...most all medications are good for DECADES. They put the expiration label on them to increase sales. Saw a documentary about how the Russian army gets all the discarded old "Expired" medicine from pharmacies...

Not sure why Epi would be special and degrade quickly...The bottle most likely has cotton and/or silica packets...Only way to know is run it, if lethargy kicks in, its still active Epi!
 
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On the left the expired epistane, smell of alcool, ammonia. No cotton inside the bottle
On the right, yes smell sulphurous. No cotton inside
 
Ive ran PH's that have long been expired and let me tell you, they definitely work. Although it is kind of worrisome you received an expired bottle....
 
Giovannuzzo said:
The expired date it's not a problem, is only 1 month. The problem is the bottle, the pills, the smell are different
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If you look at the first pic you posted it looks like it expired in 2013 lol. Yeah a month is nothing to worry about.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I thought you were going to buy havoc from the exclusive seller. I don’t trust many places to buy ph from.
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Me too, but they had finished the epistane. I talked with staff of the site, I change the expired bottle. The other 3 bottles should be legit. 4th may I'll start the cycle
 
delsolrob said:
#1 epistane does nothing to manage estrogen on cycle. it's 5a reduced, but cannot convert to DHT...there is no mechanism for it to "manage" estrogen.

#2 rickybobby - I get it, you love trest! But, I see you pushing it on beginners for basic cycles over and over...trest is not a beginners compound! OP, your friend is right, don't use trest...it can come with long term implications and it will make a simple epistane run extremely more complicated than it needs to be.

#3 I would go with dermacrine. I've logged epi and dermacrine a few times in the last 10 years on this board, always been happy. 4-andro would be a great option too, but would be pretty pricy.
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Totally agree with you
 
Today 1st day, 40mg, 20 in the morning and 20 after lunch.
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In the morning, with zero pumps and low carb
 
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