Havoc: Taking It Too Seriously or Not Giving It The Respect It Deserves?

[crowpass]

lol. I see, yeah docs make really good money, so do CIA employees. as my unc works for them. anyways, i dont think docs get overpaid i just think that the title of being a DR. (or md) is overrated. PA's do the same damn thing and are able to prescribe anything and everything as docs do. ITs just a title ya know.

 

[conwict]

True, and as you know the title is government regulated, coming back to my main point. If private companies set up different MD certification programs, and the government didn't touch the issue at all except to allow and process malpractice suits, chances are we would have better healthcare. Yeah, there would be bogus and inferior certification programs, but if consumers were aware they would steer clear and/or sue them out of existence. Of course, we are so dependent on the gov to do what it does for us right now that an instant switch to that kind of system would probably cause a lot of problems. Ideally though that system would allow for much more efficient doctor training programs, (probably) higher pay for good doctors, cheaper medical bills, more doctors, and much better selection for the consumer.

 

[wilsmash4food]

hey guys..sorry to jump in so late on the thread..seems like a great one. thought i would throw my .02 in though...ive personally done two cycles of havoc, and have the same attitude of refusing to do anything illegal. ive had awesome results to say the least. +18 lbs total and my maxes have jumped incredibly. i didnt pulse with the first cycle...just ran it flat out for 6 weeks. i was able to retain 16 lbs of the gains..which i think is pretty doggone good. keep your support sups in check (not gonna go into that since theres tons of write ups about what you need to take) and my pct consisted of an otc test herbal booster along with the creat and other obvious stuff. FISH OIL!!! YOU CANT GET ENOUGH! beware joint soreness as havoc is methylated of course. and do not...ever...drink alcohol while your on. its a one time self correcting mistake. youle hate life the next day. all in all absolutely loved the stuff. best of luck to you bro.

 

[LAGear]

I agree. 1-T was very mild, yet it was my favorite cycle so far. PCT was a breeze as well.

Have you ever run Havoc? Can you comment on differences between 1-T and Havoc, and if so why you preferred the 1-T?

Sorry for bumping this older thread but thought it was better to jump into this thread rather than start a new once, since it mirrors my situation.

Unless I'm convinced to run 1-T instead of Havoc (I'm a bit torn, but I already bought the Havoc) I'm planning a four week cycle.

My plan for Havoc is:

Wk 1 - 10 10 20 20 30 30 30
Wk 2 - 30 30 30 30 30 30 30
Wk 3 - 30 30 30 30 30 30 30
Wk 4 - 40 40 40 40 40 40 40

There is so much conflicting information about what is needed for cycle/post cycle support with Havoc. I feel like there's one camp that recommends nolva, clomid, Toremifene and a million other things because that's just "what you need to do" on any steroid. Then you've got another camp that feels like Havoc/Epi is so mild that you can run a short cycle without any PCT.

If I can get away with it safely I'd like to run the Havoc with Cycle Support on cycle and Post Cycle Support with Sustain Alpha for PCT. I'm almost convinced you can run a four week Havoc cycle without a SERM but RPN says you need a SERM so I'm inclined to trust that since they make Havoc.

I've seen some advise 10mg of Nolva with Sustain Alpha PCT but I don't know if 10mg would be any use, or if the sides of just 10mg are equivalent to a higher dosage in which case I'd just take the traditional dosage.

I'm 5'9" 166lb about 9 -12% BF and 37yo. I've been lifting more than 15 years. This will be my first cycle of any kind and I want to make sure I don't screw it up.

First time posting on AM so go easy on me

 

[corsaking]

I guess one of my big hangups is that I refuse to do anything illegal. Therefore, part of my "cycle" would be an OTC PCT. (Reversitol, CS, PCS, Creatine, etc.) I keep coming back to the fact that if Im not willing to run a SERM, maybe I shouldnt be running anything at all.

I dont need to run Havoc. Ill be honest...Id be doing it more out of experimentation and curiosity than anything else. I dont feel like I dont have the competitive edge without it or anything lol. Dont let that fool you though, Im still taking it quite seriously. Im one of those people who usually puts countless hours of research into any decision, big or small. I think thats my problem here...Ive just read too much.

Me too -i think theres being cautious and over cautious but its a fine line

 

[dax506]

In all honesty its a relatively weak compound and you'd be lucky to gain more than 5lbs off it. Did give me great pumps though, and strength increase was alright.