Havoc Help Required Please
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gabber
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I'm no expert man but I just used Lean Extreme and only used it for 2 weeks and I haven't lost any strength. I couldn't possibly comment on any other product as this is the only one I tried and it seemes to work.
My PCT went something like this
Week 1 Nolva 40mgs, Lean Extreme, Tribulus, Activate
Week 2 Nolva 30mgs, Lean Extreme, Tribulus, Activate
Week 3 Nolva 20 mgs, Activate
Week 4 Nolva 10mgs,
I also did a 5th week of nolva but I will explain why. When I reached the third week I experienced a shutdown, which you would expect, but wasn't expecting it in week 3; I thought I was out of the woods. If you see my PCT plan you will see thats when I stopped the triblus and was still using ActivaTe so maybe that had something to do with it. I was reading up on ActivaTe and couldn't work out whether it takes away ur sex drive and replaces it with muscle building test or just frees up test for everything.
I have heard a few things about Havoc since I started it and one is that contrary to initial reports, it can cause shutdown. Second of all the shutdown may de delayed or longer lasting. I don't know any more about it but I sort of ties in with what happened to me.
As you can see I didn't use an AI - which would have reduced or totally prevented this lack of test, but I was quite cautious not to go down that road as less estrogen means less testosterone in the long run. Either thats what happens or there will be an estrogen rebound. Neither of these are desirable. If I was to go back in time a month I probably would use the AI now to prevent the shutdown to some degree and use something afterwards to alleviate the rebound. I seem to be back to normal now though as I find myself being aggresive again and back to normal in other ways.
Can someone clear this up for me? In an example where someone takes an AI for lets say 8 weeks, will their test be adversely affected afterwards? Or will the estrogen rebound take care of that? I hear estrogen that is too high actually impairs testosterone recovery. Would it be wise to use a light dose of nolva after an 8 week cycle of an AI or is that simply not necessary.
Also if anyone can add what they know about Havoc that would be useful. How suppresive is it really? A lot more than I thought is what I can tell you.
My PCT went something like this
Week 1 Nolva 40mgs, Lean Extreme, Tribulus, Activate
Week 2 Nolva 30mgs, Lean Extreme, Tribulus, Activate
Week 3 Nolva 20 mgs, Activate
Week 4 Nolva 10mgs,
I also did a 5th week of nolva but I will explain why. When I reached the third week I experienced a shutdown, which you would expect, but wasn't expecting it in week 3; I thought I was out of the woods. If you see my PCT plan you will see thats when I stopped the triblus and was still using ActivaTe so maybe that had something to do with it. I was reading up on ActivaTe and couldn't work out whether it takes away ur sex drive and replaces it with muscle building test or just frees up test for everything.
I have heard a few things about Havoc since I started it and one is that contrary to initial reports, it can cause shutdown. Second of all the shutdown may de delayed or longer lasting. I don't know any more about it but I sort of ties in with what happened to me.
As you can see I didn't use an AI - which would have reduced or totally prevented this lack of test, but I was quite cautious not to go down that road as less estrogen means less testosterone in the long run. Either thats what happens or there will be an estrogen rebound. Neither of these are desirable. If I was to go back in time a month I probably would use the AI now to prevent the shutdown to some degree and use something afterwards to alleviate the rebound. I seem to be back to normal now though as I find myself being aggresive again and back to normal in other ways.
Can someone clear this up for me? In an example where someone takes an AI for lets say 8 weeks, will their test be adversely affected afterwards? Or will the estrogen rebound take care of that? I hear estrogen that is too high actually impairs testosterone recovery. Would it be wise to use a light dose of nolva after an 8 week cycle of an AI or is that simply not necessary.
Also if anyone can add what they know about Havoc that would be useful. How suppresive is it really? A lot more than I thought is what I can tell you.
gabber
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Another thing I have noticed in the past few days is that my aggression is through the roof. Anyone know if this is related to the testosterone coming back and the body's inability to deal with it? Or is it that ithe testosterone rebounds back to a higher level? I must say I have been getting wound up about things lately that aren't even worth worrying about.
gabber
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention I was using milk thistle too, DaBulls, but I also used Liver Longer after advice on this forum. My liver seems fine and I only had enough to do me a few weeks which I started half way into the Havoc. So really I used the Liver Longer for a week or 2 of PCT.
