havoc/ furazadrol log

Week 2 Summary`

Started the DCP and Sesamin 2 days ago, Havoc has been at 30mg this week, will remain so for a 3-7 more days then up to 40 until the end. The furazadrol has been at 250mg this week, will move up to 300mg starting today until almost the end.

Physical Changes- Had some increases in definition/ muscle tightness that made me look bigger, but the past few days have killed that. 2 days of HIIT and i seem to have lost far more muscle than fat. My waist looks bigger yet my size is smaller. This always seems to happen after cardio to me, but i thought he phs might limit this. Not so. (might sound odd but i always see noticeable results from even one cardio session) im going to start relying more on diet changes than cardio.

Strength- Not much increases in weights, but I have noticed that form and rep numbers have gone up a little, indicating soem progress here. YEsterdays arm workout was average due to energy levels but the earlier bis/tris workouts definately moved up in weights. I can now curl 135 BB Curls again , a feat i have been unable to do since the end of my last oral tren cycle. Chest workout has also been better despite the joint dryness, 120 dumbell press reached 9-10 reps instead of the usual 7-8

Libido - Not as high as it was last week but somewhere around normal...whatever that means. looks like its tapering off a little, hopefully wont drop too far. no more atrophy to note

Appetite- Feels like im all out cutting. Appetite is small during the day and i have trouble fitting in my cals as i wake up late. Then post workout and at night i get terrible carb cravings. I would drink coffee or whatnot but ive been reading about how bad excess caffeine can be on blood pressure while on. so i guess not

Energy - Definately heightened in the gym, a little sluggish outside but nothing noticeable to attribute to the cycle. Might get worse if i cut carbs.

General Health/ Side Effects- Joint pain has subsided a little, but it could be for nothing else than that i havent worked any compound upper body movements in a while. Or all the supps are kicking in. -Sleep has definately been altered. I went from not sleeping at all to sleeping forever.In fact the last 2 nights i slept for 10-11 hours through my alarm and phone.

Yesterday was a mediocre arms supersets + hiit for 25 mins. Friday was Legs + 25 HIIT. Today will be HIIT for about 40 + abs. I might consider dropping the HIIT to one or 2 days a week and just messing with my diet more to drop this fat.
 
yea i would have thought that id be noticing more by now. supposedly week 3-4 is where the most gains come in though, so il give it a little more before i judge. im kinda unsure what approach to take now, this was a very expensive cycle, im hoping it will give me something.
 
so i took the havoc dose too late last night and didnt sleep again. i might start taking it twice a day instead of 3 times to avoid this problem in the future. gonna bump up to 40mg soon in any case.

did a ton of cardio this weekend so i feel a little leaner (i also ate a bit poorly yesterday, now that im trying to stop drinking for the cycle i find myself craving more sweets).

yesterday's shoulder workout was actually pretty terrible. overhead presses started off great, 105s to 8 reps bt after that i seemed to crash. was going lighter for all other lifts and still wanted to get the hell out of there. didnt even finish doing calves, il need to do that tomorrow again.

in general few changes to note from the past week or so, libidos a little lower as is energy levels - lethargy + rain is not a good combination. i am noticing the havoc gives me terrible gas that very closely resembles the sulphur stench of the pills itself. not pleasant. hoping the gains will kick in soon, week 3 just began.
 
faaipdeoiad said:
so i took the havoc dose too late last night and didnt sleep again. i might start taking it twice a day instead of 3 times to avoid this problem in the future. gonna bump up to 40mg soon in any case.

did a ton of cardio this weekend so i feel a little leaner (i also ate a bit poorly yesterday, now that im trying to stop drinking for the cycle i find myself craving more sweets).

yesterday's shoulder workout was actually pretty terrible. overhead presses started off great, 105s to 8 reps bt after that i seemed to crash. was going lighter for all other lifts and still wanted to get the hell out of there. didnt even finish doing calves, il need to do that tomorrow again.

in general few changes to note from the past week or so, libidos a little lower as is energy levels - lethargy + rain is not a good combination. i am noticing the havoc gives me terrible gas that very closely resembles the sulphur stench of the pills itself. not pleasant. hoping the gains will kick in soon, week 3 just began.
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i would ask someone who has experience with Havoc man
 
bis are HUGE! cant scratch my head...

so todays back/bi workout started off mediocre at best, i thought i was doing well and tried upping weights in deadlifts...ended in failure. couldnt even do one rep and had to lower it again. in any case the rest of my back workout continued as planned. bis were completely shot so after the first lift i decided to just drop the weight and concentrate on form. i was doing preacher curls with about 45 instead of the usual 55s and still couldnt get past 10 reps. form was awesome though and it mustve done something. my bis have never looked this big, theres still a crazy pump going. people were looking at me funny on the way out, probably think im on some crazy roids.

im still unsure if the havoc is affecting me or if it was just a good lift, today is a higher carb day. the fact that im unsure probably means that it ISNT kicking in too strongly. this pump is insane though so it has to be attributed to something. but in any case i had a great bi workout so im not going to complain. (even better, i mixed a ton of random **** in my pwo shake and was expecting it to taste terrible, but its delicious!!!)

I AM curious though, if anyone has experience with havoc, how long did it take until the effects were noticeable? im on day 3 of week 3 right now.

EDIT-- there is definately something noticeable going on, i look ****ing huge. i think if i was bulking i would be making crazy gains already. its got to just be the lower calories that are hindering this.
 
faaipdeoiad said:
so todays back/bi workout started off mediocre at best, i thought i was doing well and tried upping weights in deadlifts...ended in failure. couldnt even do one rep and had to lower it again. in any case the rest of my back workout continued as planned. bis were completely shot so after the first lift i decided to just drop the weight and concentrate on form. i was doing preacher curls with about 45 instead of the usual 55s and still couldnt get past 10 reps. form was awesome though and it mustve done something. my bis have never looked this big, theres still a crazy pump going. people were looking at me funny on the way out, probably think im on some crazy roids.

im still unsure if the havoc is affecting me or if it was just a good lift, today is a higher carb day. the fact that im unsure probably means that it ISNT kicking in too strongly. this pump is insane though so it has to be attributed to something. but in any case i had a great bi workout so im not going to complain. (even better, i mixed a ton of random **** in my pwo shake and was expecting it to taste terrible, but its delicious!!!)

I AM curious though, if anyone has experience with havoc, how long did it take until the effects were noticeable? im on day 3 of week 3 right now.

EDIT-- there is definately something noticeable going on, i look ****ing huge. i think if i was bulking i would be making crazy gains already. its got to just be the lower calories that are hindering this.
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usually by the end of week 2 beginning of week three(between days 10 & 16) you should notice something. keep up the log...looking good.
 
todays chest/tris/abs workout was decent, but again nothing all that different to report. I started with a pre exhaust incline cable flies for chest and still managed to throw up the same weight in incline dumbell presses, but aside from that little change. Joints got very tight and sore so i had to alter my tri lifts accordingly, and energy died quick before abs got started. Im finding it tough to press through longer workouts without any stimulants/ no products.

Im a little bigger, but also seem to be gaining more fat. Ive been eating way too many carbs lately, gonna try to cut it down for a couple days since this weekend is gonna be pretty bad anyways. My primary goal is fat loss not size. I can gain that fairly easily naturally. Still not really any noticeable positive effects from the havoc, and nothing whatsoever from the furaz..., nothing even like yesterdays pumps, just a solid chest lift.


Routine was

CHEST
- Inc Cable Flies- 40ea x 14, 40x13, 40 x 13
- Inc DB Press - 110x8, 120x7, 120x5
- Flat DB Press - 120x3, 110x9, 110x7, 90x9
- DB Flyes - 40x11, 45x10, 45x9, (INC) 40x11
- Inc MAchine Press - 180x8, 180x9

TRIS
- Reverse Bench PRess - 225x8, 225x6, 205x9, 205x10
- Standing Overhead Extension - 70x11, 80x7, 75x7
- 1 Arm Cable Pressdown - 70x8, 70x7, 60x 10, 2h- 140x7

ABS
- Dec Reverse Crunch
- Decline Crunch
- Machine Crunch

I was planning on taking weekly pics again today but my camera died. Il try to do it when i get around to charging it, little difference to note anyways
 
ive never seen a chest routine start with incline flyes then incline press, espec DB, but DB's are **** for the chest! good job
 
Yeah interesting workout routine, seems a bit backwards...but the weight ur using shows it's been working. are you seeing any negative sides other than the joint pain? also, i started Epistane last Friday and went 3 days at 20mg, then on Monday went up to 30mg. Perhaps you need to consider bumping the Havoc up to 40mg soon and CONSIDER going up to 50mg if it's not too late? And the furaz, well not sure what's up with that - u've been taking 200mg+ for a couple weeks now right?
 
KgTomCat said:
ive never seen a chest routine start with incline flyes then incline press, espec DB, but DB's are **** for the chest! good job
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i usually just hit it hard with inc db press but i wanted to try this as a pre-exhaust. i was a bit surprised to still be managing the same weight after.
i dont like benching, i tried for a little while and all i really got out of it was some shoulder pain, i think dbs work way better.
 
derker2008 said:
Yeah interesting workout routine, seems a bit backwards...but the weight ur using shows it's been working. are you seeing any negative sides other than the joint pain? also, i started Epistane last Friday and went 3 days at 20mg, then on Monday went up to 30mg. Perhaps you need to consider bumping the Havoc up to 40mg soon and CONSIDER going up to 50mg if it's not too late? And the furaz, well not sure what's up with that - u've been taking 200mg+ for a couple weeks now right?
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the joint pain is the major issue for me. i get insomnia from the havoc if i take it too late, i gotta do the last dose 5-6 hours before i sleep or i get insomnia. that and it makes me piss alot.
i started 40 mg 2 days ago, aside from an increased heart rate not sure what else to go by. i am getting some better pumps and mild strength in the gym but nothing really aside from that. on my last cycles i was insane by week 2, i recovered so quick that i was going twice a day towards the end. nothing like that now.
i actually dont know if the furaz is doing anything. ive been running it at 300mg for almost a week now and it looks like im gaining fat if anything. im gonna cut out carbs alot more and see if it helps. i might go up to 50mg havoc or consider ordering another bottle of furaz and just continuing until 6 weeks (will go up to 350mg on it + 40havoc) seems kinda useless but i already shelled out like 400 for this cycle, i want to get the most i can out of it within reason.
 
faaipdeoiad said:
the joint pain is the major issue for me. i get insomnia from the havoc if i take it too late, i gotta do the last dose 5-6 hours before i sleep or i get insomnia. that and it makes me piss alot.
i started 40 mg 2 days ago, aside from an increased heart rate not sure what else to go by. i am getting some better pumps and mild strength in the gym but nothing really aside from that. on my last cycles i was insane by week 2, i recovered so quick that i was going twice a day towards the end. nothing like that now.
i actually dont know if the furaz is doing anything. ive been running it at 300mg for almost a week now and it looks like im gaining fat if anything. im gonna cut out carbs alot more and see if it helps. i might go up to 50mg havoc or consider ordering another bottle of furaz and just continuing until 6 weeks (will go up to 350mg on it + 40havoc) seems kinda useless but i already shelled out like 400 for this cycle, i want to get the most i can out of it within reason.
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I would try to find any possible problems in your diet first, where the culprit usually lies, rather than just increasing dosages.

If you think your gaining fat, make sure. The mirror can be deceiving. Get a cheap set of body fat calipers and pinch once a week. Otherwise you're just guessing. And if you are in fact gaining fat, you may be eating too much, drop your calories a bit and/or do more cardio. 2 days a week on a cut isn't nearly enough cardio IMO. I am not an advocate of the low carb thing either. The human body hasn't changed enough in the last few thousand years to where you need some new age diet to drop fat. I believe you need carbs to sustain energy levels as well as mood and sanity. So I would drop total calories, not just carbs.

I also got insomnia w/ E-Stane at first, even though I took the last dose around 3. I'm sleeping better now. I guess I got used to it.
 
my diets not perfect but its pretty close to as good as it can be, i move around alot so its hard to plan my meals too well. aside from a couple cheats every now n then its pretty solid. consists mainly of fruit/oatmeal/grain bread with alot of cheese meats and nuts

i actually have a body caliper that i ordered, but i never really figured out how to use it. every time i tried it it read a different amount and it just told me the basic range that i knew i was in to begin with. eventually i got frustrated and just left it in a drawer. il try messing with it again.
i think i have made some progress since beginning the cycle, but just maybe not as much as i would have expected to by now

i think ive been reading too much about keto diets and whatnot. i tend to decrease carbs to lose fat when maybe i should be dropping total calories. my goal on this cycle was a recomp, so i figured if i ate at maintenece and dropped carbs i might be able to preserve my muscle and lose fat simultanously. doesnt look like its happening though. im getting bigger for my frame but my fat isnt dropping as quickly as id expected. i think im gonna drop calories by a few hundred and see if it helps. the only problem is i hate losing my size, it tends to happen pretty quick (also comes back quick though).

i might just be overthinking things too much. after this cycle i think im gonna take a break for a while. i have too much free time at the moment and this is kinda making me crazy
 
quick question: Furazadrol is 50mg per pill, and I understand that it is very underdozed. If you are taking 250 - 300 per day, wow. That turns out to a very expensive cycle. a bottle will last you only 10 days. Is that really worth it?
 
dax506 said:
how are you dosing liv52? 2 capsules 2x a day?
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If you are asking anyone on the cycle right now: my answer is 3 capsules per day. Iam currently running a 40/40/40/50 cycle of Havoc. I just started 2 days ago, and felling good. I ran this 1 year ago and loved it. Now Iam waiting on my Furazadrol and thinking of dosing it at 300, but damm, thats like only 20 days since I got 2 bottles. iam just not sold on how good this is going to be, Ive read many logs and people seem to like it but everyone is different, I had to try it. If by the 10th day I dont see any value, I will not be buying another bottle. I kind of wish, I would have gone with a tren like product. possibly even spawn which has 8mg of epi within itself.
 
faaipdeoiad said:
my diets not perfect but its pretty close to as good as it can be, i move around alot so its hard to plan my meals too well. aside from a couple cheats every now n then its pretty solid. consists mainly of fruit/oatmeal/grain bread with alot of cheese meats and nuts

i actually have a body caliper that i ordered, but i never really figured out how to use it. every time i tried it it read a different amount and it just told me the basic range that i knew i was in to begin with. eventually i got frustrated and just left it in a drawer. il try messing with it again.
i think i have made some progress since beginning the cycle, but just maybe not as much as i would have expected to by now

i think ive been reading too much about keto diets and whatnot. i tend to decrease carbs to lose fat when maybe i should be dropping total calories. my goal on this cycle was a recomp, so i figured if i ate at maintenece and dropped carbs i might be able to preserve my muscle and lose fat simultanously. doesnt look like its happening though. im getting bigger for my frame but my fat isnt dropping as quickly as id expected. i think im gonna drop calories by a few hundred and see if it helps. the only problem is i hate losing my size, it tends to happen pretty quick (also comes back quick though).

i might just be overthinking things too much. after this cycle i think im gonna take a break for a while. i have too much free time at the moment and this is kinda making me crazy
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At first I was at maintenance calories because I also wanted to recomp and mainly preserve muscle and slowly lose fat. But I just wasn't getting the results I wanted until I really counted calories and dropped them a couple hundred. I noticed a difference within a few days. I was slightly more hungry when the next meal was close, my stomach didn't feel as full, and the mirror was showing great results. I knew at that point that I was in the sweet spot of losing fat. I hate losing the size too man, but it's inevitable on a cut. I'm just hoping the Epi helps in this area.

I was also thinking that since you're already pretty lean, leaner than me at least, it's gonna be harder to lose fat. The leaner you get, the harder it is to lose that little bit of fat left. This is where diet and cardio are crucial. If you don't feel comfortable dropping too many calories, just drop 200 and do more cardio.
 
spshond said:
If you are asking anyone on the cycle right now: my answer is 3 capsules per day. Iam currently running a 40/40/40/50 cycle of Havoc. I just started 2 days ago, and felling good. I ran this 1 year ago and loved it. Now Iam waiting on my Furazadrol and thinking of dosing it at 300, but damm, thats like only 20 days since I got 2 bottles. iam just not sold on how good this is going to be, Ive read many logs and people seem to like it but everyone is different, I had to try it. If by the 10th day I dont see any value, I will not be buying another bottle. I kind of wish, I would have gone with a tren like product. possibly even spawn which has 8mg of epi within itself.
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honestly man, from what ive seen it isnt worth it. im almost through my 2nd bottle and i cant say that i notice anything. im probably going to pick up a 4th just to complete the cycle and up the dose a little, but if unless things suddenly kick in i wouldnt reccommend it.

ur right about the tren, i think that may be the way to go. My last 2 cycles were with that and i made awesome gains. it could just be that my body responded better or the gains from the havoc havent kicked in yet, im not sure. if u could stack the 2 safely though it sounds ideal. might be tough on the liver, id look into that. the furaz sounded like a good combination in theory but its way too expensive and way too weak. i dont think il be using it again, still hoping for more from the havoc. let me know how ur cycle goes, im interested. ur doses are about the same as mine.
 
dax506 said:
how are you dosing liv52? 2 capsules 2x a day?
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im alot less strict with the liv 52 because i have liver products in the cycle support im taking. i basically just take them when i feel the need to or once a day ideally.
i would reccommend 2x twice a day if its all your taking though
 
thapr3dat0r said:
At first I was at maintenance calories because I also wanted to recomp and mainly preserve muscle and slowly lose fat. But I just wasn't getting the results I wanted until I really counted calories and dropped them a couple hundred. I noticed a difference within a few days. I was slightly more hungry when the next meal was close, my stomach didn't feel as full, and the mirror was showing great results. I knew at that point that I was in the sweet spot of losing fat. I hate losing the size too man, but it's inevitable on a cut. I'm just hoping the Epi helps in this area.

I was also thinking that since you're already pretty lean, leaner than me at least, it's gonna be harder to lose fat. The leaner you get, the harder it is to lose that little bit of fat left. This is where diet and cardio are crucial. If you don't feel comfortable dropping too many calories, just drop 200 and do more cardio.
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ive been thinking about that too, i dont think a full recomp is even really possible, it has to be at this perfect number that doesnt always work out that way. it kinda sucks since the havoc seemed to be making me bigger when i ate, but i guess thats not my main goal anymore. im gonna drop cals by a couple hundred and up hiit to 3x a week + post workout/ in the mornings a few more days. even if i do order another bottle of furaz and push it to 6 weeks (still contemplating if i should) im almost half done and nowhere near my expected goal so im gonna be alot more strict with diet after this weekend (tomorrow is gonna be tough to get out of eating normally)
i do tend to get most of my hunger at night, since i wake up and sleep late. i was wondering if there was anything i can do to help with this as this is the major problem. recreate sounds like it might work but i dont know how much caffeine is actually in it, so it might not be too good on my bp. i dont want to keep adding more things in if i dont need to. i could just worry about that after the cycle and do what i can for now
 
Great log thus far. I too am getting all my supps ready for a Havoc cycle. I'm interested to see how this pans out for you.

Thanks for the updates and all the info. It surely helps.
 
im still at 40mg a day, i dose it depending on when i wake up. if i have time il do 10mg first thing in the morning, 20 preworkout, and 10 more in the evening. if i dont have time for that il do 20mg in the morning and 20 more 6 hours later. the 50 il probably follow the same schedule, just do 1more pill in the morning dose. i tried messing with the timing but i just hate not being able to sleep so my priority is just leaving enough time between the lasdt dose and bed
 
havent updated in a little while, i was starting to make progress again but this weekend kinda ****ed it severely. went out last night for dinner, ended up eating dessert too plus chocolate and today ive been stuck eating sugar all day. just finished a chocolate cake as we speak. haha oh well im gonna go do some cardio in an hour or so, it should burn off most of it. il get my diet back on track starting tomorrow. im gonna try doing cardio almost every day until i start losing a lot of size. ordered one more bottle of furaz so im gonna bump the cycle up to 6 weeks, keep the havoc at 40mg through it to be safe. il try to find my camera charger, but again theres still not really any progress to show
 
so the gym was closed and now i feel like **** for eating so much sugar. i guess i needed a day off, il try to go twice tomorrow to make up for it. im not sure if its the havoc or what but my energy is completely destroyed. i dont even have motivation to go to the gym, it takes me an hour to convince myself
 
Sucks man, I feel you on the weekend thing. I slacked off a little bit as well. Best thing to do is just get your program back in check ASAP and stay focused.

Since when have you been feeling so unmotivated? Could be a mental thing (or maybe lack of carbs?). Sometimes I get a bit discouraged when I cheat or slack or don't get the results I want. Try writing some specific goals on a notecard or on a sticky on your computer and read it a couple times a day. Sounds cheesy but works really well. It positively programs your subconscious.
 
thapr3dat0r said:
Sucks man, I feel you on the weekend thing. I slacked off a little bit as well. Best thing to do is just get your program back in check ASAP and stay focused.

Since when have you been feeling so unmotivated? Could be a mental thing (or maybe lack of carbs?). Sometimes I get a bit discouraged when I cheat or slack or don't get the results I want. Try writing some specific goals on a notecard or on a sticky on your computer and read it a couple times a day. Sounds cheesy but works really well. It positively programs your subconscious.
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yea my diets slowly been getting worse and this weekend just destroyed it. i dont think its the carbs cuz ive been eating more lately, must just be the lack of results. i havent been going out as much and havent been drinking with my friends like i usually do and i keep expecting something for my effort, but i havent gotten any real results yet.. this might just be why im losing motivation too. im definately gonna be pissed tomorrow tho, i gained a shitload of fat just from today. hopefully i cna get it back.
ive been pretty lazy too, it might just be carrying over. im gonna try to be more active this week with everything. im trying to make this my last cycle for a while, i want to make it worthwhile.
thanks for the help. its weird, this is actually the first time ive felt like this. i get unmotivated with tons of things but lifting is never one of them. i usually sit on my ass all day just waiting to hit the gym. cardio.,.now thats a different story. il keep u guys posted with what goes on tomorrow. il try recording bf measurements too
 
faaipdeoiad said:
yea my diets slowly been getting worse and this weekend just destroyed it. i dont think its the carbs cuz ive been eating more lately, must just be the lack of results. i havent been going out as much and havent been drinking with my friends like i usually do and i keep expecting something for my effort, but i havent gotten any real results yet.. this might just be why im losing motivation too. im definately gonna be pissed tomorrow tho, i gained a shitload of fat just from today. hopefully i cna get it back.
ive been pretty lazy too, it might just be carrying over. im gonna try to be more active this week with everything. im trying to make this my last cycle for a while, i want to make it worthwhile.
thanks for the help. its weird, this is actually the first time ive felt like this. i get unmotivated with tons of things but lifting is never one of them. i usually sit on my ass all day just waiting to hit the gym. cardio.,.now thats a different story. il keep u guys posted with what goes on tomorrow. il try recording bf measurements too
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Here is a tip: Think of the amount of money that you have invested for that 6 - 8 week cycle!! Don't waste it!!! It is very easy to slack off, specially on the weekend. My first run at Havoc was like yours, this is my third run and it definitely is not having the effects that the first had, but I love the pumps that Iam still getting when I take 30 minutes prior to the gym. Iam up to 50mg ( 1@ 5am, 1 @9am, 1@1pm, 1@3pm (30 minutes before workout) and the last 1@7pm. Iam asleep by 11pm. My craving is crunchy food, therefore what Ive found is that I will add regular corn flakes to my oatmeal, or I will even have a bowl of corn flakes with about 1/8 cup of skim fat free milk and the rest water. It sounds nasty but believe me, you cant taste the difference, + there is too much sugar in millk.
 
maybe you should do one last measurement tomorrow and then don't measure anything until after you complete the cycle (just keep an eye on your size,fat, strength, etc). sounds like your being too self-conscious - which you've admitted to in the past; just get in gym bust ace and eat right; you may blow up here in the last few wks and firm up during pct.
 
derker2008 said:
maybe you should do one last measurement tomorrow and then don't measure anything until after you complete the cycle (just keep an eye on your size,fat, strength, etc). sounds like your being too self-conscious - which you've admitted to in the past; just get in gym bust ace and eat right; you may blow up here in the last few wks and firm up during pct.
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good point
 
derker2008 said:
maybe you should do one last measurement tomorrow and then don't measure anything until after you complete the cycle (just keep an eye on your size,fat, strength, etc). sounds like your being too self-conscious - which you've admitted to in the past; just get in gym bust ace and eat right; you may blow up here in the last few wks and firm up during pct.
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that sounds like pretty good advice, i tend to spend too much time stressing about this. i am noticing progress actually, i look bigger if anything, which is kinda weird cuz im eating less than maintenence now
 
so i think i realized what the problem was, i was just overtraining. i replaced my off day with cardio and i think it caught up with me. after yesterdays forced rest i went twice today, once for fasted morning cardio and again at night for shoulders/calves/abs. my actual lift was great. best shoulder workout in over a month. i might need to take more days off to keep the progress coming.

i am actually looking alot bigger, even though i lowered calories again and im now eating a few hundred below maintenence. my arms and shoulders look alot bigger, but then again so does my waist. i upped the carbs though, so it could have something to do with it. my diet fluctuates too much to figure it out. i keep the protein constant but aside from that the carbs and fats vary alot.

im gonna stop stressing and wait til the end to judge. ive been debating exactly what to do with the rest of the cycle, but i think im just gonna keep doing what i have been and extend to 6 weeks. upped the furaz to 350mg today to try it out, might keep it while the bottles last.

il post todays routine tomorrow along with tomorrows back/bi lift. gonna try to do another 25 mins fasted cardio in the morning if i get up in time
 
derker2008 said:
Yeah u should make sure u got ur glucosine in there - which u do - and if it keeps up there are some other products at the rx stores that old ppl take. i think fish oils (omega3) is solely for cardiovascular health (i.e. heart, cholesterol, etc)not joint pains and u don't need to take too much of that b/c ur probably getting a good amt in ur diet if ur eating alot of meats. Just make sure u aren't poppin too much - i'm kinda new to this so I'm gonna take it easy on my cycle - multi-vitamin, protein, cs, epi, & furaz & finish up my creatine cycle as I start. have u got any blood work done? i've been thinking about getting it pre-cycle and post cycle but i may just do post cycle as i was just at the dr for bloodwork a month ago and all was well.
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i take about 5-8 tbs of olive oil (spread throughout the day) along with about 5 fish oils/day. seems to be working great for me.
 
spshond said:
Here is a tip: Think of the amount of money that you have invested for that 6 - 8 week cycle!! Don't waste it!!! It is very easy to slack off, specially on the weekend. My first run at Havoc was like yours, this is my third run and it definitely is not having the effects that the first had, but I love the pumps that Iam still getting when I take 30 minutes prior to the gym. Iam up to 50mg ( 1@ 5am, 1 @9am, 1@1pm, 1@3pm (30 minutes before workout) and the last 1@7pm. Iam asleep by 11pm. My craving is crunchy food, therefore what Ive found is that I will add regular corn flakes to my oatmeal, or I will even have a bowl of corn flakes with about 1/8 cup of skim fat free milk and the rest water. It sounds nasty but believe me, you cant taste the difference, + there is too much sugar in millk.
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So you get six hours of sleep? You have no business on steroids.
 
hahah luckily i dont have that problem. give it 3 months and il be complaining about that very thing =(. gonna be tough, i dont function on less than 8 hours
 
faaipdeoiad said:
so i think i realized what the problem was, i was just overtraining. i replaced my off day with cardio and i think it caught up with me. after yesterdays forced rest i went twice today, once for fasted morning cardio and again at night for shoulders/calves/abs. my actual lift was great. best shoulder workout in over a month. i might need to take more days off to keep the progress coming.

i am actually looking alot bigger, even though i lowered calories again and im now eating a few hundred below maintenence. my arms and shoulders look alot bigger, but then again so does my waist. i upped the carbs though, so it could have something to do with it.
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I give the credit to the carbs :D
 
Mondays Shoulder Routine

So i had a full day off (unwillingly) and went to a new gym for this lift and it must have made all the difference. Got a great shoulder wokout and increased weights in arnold presses.

SHOULDERS
Overhead DB PRess - 70x12, 90x10, 100x9, 100x6
Arnold Press- 70x8, 70x8, 70x7
Barbell Upright Rows - 115x9, 125 x8, 115x8
Side Lateral Raises- 30x9, 30x8, 30x8
Forward Lat Raise - 30x8, 2Hand= 45x10, 45x10
Reverse Lateral Raise- 40x9, 40x11, 40x9
Smith Machine Shrugs - 225x11, 315x7, 225x10

CALVES
Seated Calf Raise - 135x14, 135x14, 135x12
LEg Press Calf Extensions - 4 sets

ABS
Decline Crunches - 4 Sets
 
Tuesdays Updates and Back Routine

Where as monday was a good day, yesterday was terrible. For some reason i was tired and irritable all day, despite not really doing anything. I felt sick in the gym in the beginning of my workout and had to stifle wanting to vomit a few times (think the peanut butter didnt sit well). In addition i ****ed up my lower back last week, and ive been having problems with it all week. Its extremely painful at night before i sleep as well as anytime im out in the cold. Im worried i may have pulled a muscle. Needless to say i did not attempt heav deadlifts. Even one plate was painful so i stopped altogether. As it progressed it got slightly better, but i felt more as if i was just going through the motions of my workout without really achieving much. The bicep workout got a bit better, i had a good pump going despite using lower weights and losing energy quick.
Im not sure what the problem is, but im beginning to hate this inconsistency. I rarely have bad days off cycle and on my last cycle almost every day was good. this is 2 in a week. i still may be overtaining so no cardio today, and tomorrow is gonna be off. I slept for a good 11 hours last night, missed my classes for the day, in fact i just woke up. il see how the rest of the day pans out. gonna grab some food once the dcp digests. on the plus side i am still looking bigger despite being in a caloric deficit

This was yesterdays routine-

BACK
Barbell Rows - 135x11, 185x9, 225x6, 185x7
Pull Ups - 0x12, 0x8, 35x6
Deadlifts- 185x9, 185x9
Dumbell Rows - 120x8, 120x7, 120x8
T-Bar Rows- 135x8, 135x7, 135x7
Lat Pull- 130x9, 130x7, 130x7
Cable Rows (close grip)- 160x7, 150x8, 150x7

BIS
Standing BB Curl - 115x8, 115x7, 115x6
St Hammer Curl - 55 x (6+2), 50x(5+3), 45x7
Db Preacher Curls - 50x(5+2), 45x7, 45x9
 
so for the past 4 or 5 days now ive been consistently feeling like ****. i slept 11 hours last night and im still exhausted. Additionally ive had terrible headaches yesterday and today as well as bad back pains. My lifts have been fluctuating and i still havent made any real gains yet except for a little size. im thinking of calling it quits, i still have almost 2 bottles of furaz and over a bottle of havoc i might sell. im gonna debate what to do about this for maybe another day or 2 before deciding but if things keep up like this its just a waste of my money and health to keep going.
 
faaipdeoiad said:
so for the past 4 or 5 days now ive been consistently feeling like ****. i slept 11 hours last night and im still exhausted. Additionally ive had terrible headaches yesterday and today as well as bad back pains. My lifts have been fluctuating and i still havent made any real gains yet except for a little size. im thinking of calling it quits, i still have almost 2 bottles of furaz and over a bottle of havoc i might sell. im gonna debate what to do about this for maybe another day or 2 before deciding but if things keep up like this its just a waste of my money and health to keep going.
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damn sucks bro. check your bp. no significant gains? i wanted to give havoc a shot.
 
faaipdeoiad said:
so for the past 4 or 5 days now ive been consistently feeling like ****. i slept 11 hours last night and im still exhausted. Additionally ive had terrible headaches yesterday and today as well as bad back pains. My lifts have been fluctuating and i still havent made any real gains yet except for a little size. im thinking of calling it quits, i still have almost 2 bottles of furaz and over a bottle of havoc i might sell. im gonna debate what to do about this for maybe another day or 2 before deciding but if things keep up like this its just a waste of my money and health to keep going.
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Bodies are different: This is my 2nd run at Havoc, my first run was 5 weeks at 40. Now Iam doing 40/50/50/60/60, Furaz is currently at 250mg. After my 2 bottles of Furaz is over that will be it for that, it is just way to underdozed to spend 80 bucks on something that will only last you 23 days. Havoc does wonders for me. Strengh and leans me out like crazy. Ive noticed that you have to keep your carbs up on Havoc. Sorry that its not working out for you, but it is definitely much better than Hdrol, Mdrol, 2 that I have tried as well. Hdrol was too weak, very mild, Mdrol is a wet compound that will blow you up nad you eat like crazy.
 
Sucks to hear man. I would probably attempt another Havoc cycle, solo, in the future. Maybe calories are too low. But then again I wouldn't expect significant gains in a calorie deficit.
 
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