what? i know superdrol is methyl masteron, but what the hell is havoc/epistane??
Add a 17a methyl to Masteron you get Superdrol.what? i know superdrol is methyl masteron, but what the hell is havoc/epistane??
Add a 17a methyl to Masteron you get Superdrol.
Add a 17a methyl to Epitiostanol you get Epistane.
Epitiostanol/Thiodrol is a drug used for treating breast cancer that the NCI database lists as being a potent estrogen antagonist and and androgen agonist as well as a very strong anabolic.
NCI's biological activity spectrum predictions list Epitiostanol as being a stronger estrogen antagonist than Tamoxifen (nolvadex) and even a mild aromatase inhibitor. The info is available on the NCI database.
What does vivo mean?And that seems to conform nicely with the in vivo experience of epistane/havoc users.
It's a refined derivative of an earlier product (ergomax LMG).what is phera-plex a deriv of???
It's a refined derivative of an earlier product (ergomax LMG).
17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholaneWhich is a derivative of????
so with said does that mean ALRI's ergo was not DMT but closely related? Thats what he sounds like he's saying, that people speculated it was DMT......hmmm.
Of course everyone speculated what it was, and naturally a few swore they had it first - yet still could not identify the correct isomers and structure. This is evident in that the same few in the industry began speculating that it was actually the newly discovered, so-called designer steroid DMT (desoxymethyltestosterone). "
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When they make epistane as a raw, they start with 2-ene
So then its basicly DMT-2EN with some antiestrogen properties added? and similar to pheraplex with the 2EN in common? The only reason I ask is because I have a bunch of the original pheraplex and I never used it because of gyno issues-- But EPI works great on me so Im wondering the same for pheraplex?
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Thank you. Finally - someone not all hyped up making irrational leaps in logic.
Scull - it's a different molecule man. You have to understand that tweaking one part of a molecule can make it totally different in how you respond to it.
Such as - adding one CH3 to methanol means you won't die when drinking it (ethanol - in your beer).
I actually was getting the impression that he was saying that his "pheromone matrix" was actually something completely different but that people just assumed it was DMT because of the timing of when it was released. I could be wrong. If you google versions of your questions, you'll find some old cached interviews with ALR about his products (that's where I got the above quote).so with said does that mean ALRI's ergo was not DMT but closely related? Thats what he sounds like he's saying, that people speculated it was DMT......hmmm
So then its basicly DMT-2EN with some antiestrogen properties added? and similar to pheraplex with the 2EN in common? The only reason I ask is because I have a bunch of the original pheraplex and I never used it because of gyno issues-- But EPI works great on me so Im wondering the same for pheraplex?
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I have only seen 1 set of blood work and I think it was LAKES- Id like to see more [links?]Lot's of people like PP but from my observations I've never seen a product that had such a positive set of reviews/bloodwork as epi. This could change over time as more people use it but the gains to sides ratio for this product seems pretty remarkable. I've got a stash of other things as well but my next cycle will be epi (as was my last).
Well there seems to be some conflict about this--[being made from DMT 2EN] DR D made reference to it--BK also --if you like I will find linksNo, don't conflate the two. The topic had moved on to discussion of other steroids.
Epi is a breast cancer drug used in Japan. They added a methyl to it is all to create this product for bodybuilders is my understanding.
Bodybuilding.com Forums - View Single Post - Epistane/Havoc blood results?I have only seen 1 set of blood work and I think it was LAKES- Id like to see more [links?]
That would be helpful because I don't believe this product is related to PP at all.Well there seems to be some conflict about this--[being made from DMT 2EN] DR D made reference to it--BK also --if you like I will find links
:goodpost: thats bout how i feel about them too, great commparitive reveiw.Epi and PP are all that different in the gains department. PP does affect my mood quite a bit..not as bad as superdrol or M1T, but I can get pretty angry pretty fast on it. I get none of that on Epi. It's a nice smooth ride by comparison though I did have to stay on taurine because the back pumps got to be a pain. PP can also give me terrible shortness of breath, with Epi it wasn't as bad but still present.
Epi seems to act faster than PP in the strength department. Acne from PP can be bad as can hairloss. I noticed no acne or hairloss on Epi. PP can lead to gyno and puffy nips, Epi made mine smaller though I do not have gyno.
post cycle therapy from either compound is relatively smooth.
DR.DThat would be helpful because I don't believe this product is related to PP at all.
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Let's think about results for a minute. For example, take a compound with a molecular weight of 321 that possesses an episulfide and a hydroxyl function, which are it's two most libel groups in a GC/MS fragmentation. When injected into a testing system (reference my GC/MS tutorial on p.10), what would be the most likely result? The parent less the hydroxyl less the episulfide which would strip a proton with it (320.53-17.01-32.07-1.01=270.45~270) leaving an ion which would resemble the non alcoholic version of DMT (2-ene). Also, imagine that this product is 99+% pure and that the results and logs are stellar by almost all who try it.
thats in reference to a breaking down comopound not building it up. i highly doubt they "start" with raw 2ene as MM says and then go from there, the ending basic structure is still prob the same though like most structures share the basic structure of test..... im being redundant now. although i could be completely wrong, thats just what makes sense to me.DR.D
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Let's think about results for a minute. For example, take a compound with a molecular weight of 321 that possesses an episulfide and a hydroxyl function, which are it's two most libel groups in a GC/MS fragmentation. When injected into a testing system (reference my GC/MS tutorial on p.10), what would be the most likely result? The parent less the hydroxyl less the episulfide which would strip a proton with it (320.53-17.01-32.07-1.01=270.45~270) leaving an ion which would resemble the non alcoholic version of DMT (2-ene). Also, imagine that this product is 99+% pure and that the results and logs are stellar by almost all who try it.
They could probably make Epistane from DMT (a 2-ene). In fact, it looks like it'd be a great starting material for it.thats in reference to a breaking down comopound not building it up. i highly doubt they "start" with raw 2ene as MM says and then go from there, the ending basic structure is still prob the same though like most structures share the basic structure of test..... im being redundant now. although i could be completely wrong, thats just what makes sense to me.