havoc/epi pulse

W8TS4ME

W8TS4ME

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Just wondering if after a 4 week pulse of havoc/epi is it ok to go on a regular cycle of havoc/epi for another 3-4 weeks for weeks 5-8??? Just wondering if this would give me better results than a pulse? Thinking if this is ok would continued dose at 40 for 3-4 weeks be ok? Can or stacking havoc/epi be a good stack or what would be good to stack with havoc/epi???
 
Don't stack havoc and epi it's the same compound and those are two methyls. X-mass(tren) is a popular compound to stack with epi/havoc bc its not methylated.
 
nparisi said:
Don't stack havoc and epi it's the same compound and those are two methyls. X-mass(tren) is a popular compound to stack with epi/havoc bc its not methylated.
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thanks NP........I am not stacking havoc and epi together......I knowthey are about the same product. I do have havoc and epi however and was wondering what would be good to add to either the havoc or epi. So the tren stack with epi or havoc sounds like SPAWN. In your opinion or maybe experience.....would hdrol (from CEL) work well? and with the tren stack would still 40g of the epi and a particular dosage for tren be good??

thanks for your reply. will rep you when I am able to...need more posts.
 
W8TS4ME said:
thanks NP........I am not stacking havoc and epi together......I knowthey are about the same product. I do have havoc and epi however and was wondering what would be good to add to either the havoc or epi. So the tren stack with epi or havoc sounds like SPAWN. In your opinion or maybe experience.....would hdrol (from CEL) work well? and with the tren stack would still 40g of the epi and a particular dosage for tren be good??

thanks for your reply. will rep you when I am able to...need more posts.
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You keep on saying Havoc and Epi! LOL

"I do have havoc and epi however and was wondering what would be good to add to either the havoc or epi."

HAVOC AND EPI ARE THE SAME COMPOUND.
*****2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol*****
 
W8TS4ME said:
thanks NP........I am not stacking havoc and epi together......I knowthey are about the same product. I do have havoc and epi however and was wondering what would be good to add to either the havoc or epi. So the tren stack with epi or havoc sounds like SPAWN. In your opinion or maybe experience.....would hdrol (from CEL) work well? and with the tren stack would still 40g of the epi and a particular dosage for tren be good??

thanks for your reply. will rep you when I am able to...need more posts.
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No prob, you're welcome. Well spawn is essentially epi and tren but you can't control or individually adjust the dosages, you can only add another cap of spawn (i.e. increase the dosage of BOTH compounds). Most people like to get them seperately in order to have more control here. H-Drol is methylated as well and wouldn't be ideal to stack. Tren is most popular, you could try PP's 1-T Tren(topical) with it. If you want to do two methyls, do a bridge where there is a one week overlap where you're doing both (ending one while starting the second compound).
Hope that helps.
 
Deadlift3 said:
You keep on saying Havoc and Epi! LOL

"I do have havoc and epi however and was wondering what would be good to add to either the havoc or epi."

HAVOC AND EPI ARE THE SAME COMPOUND.
*****2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol*****
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sorry for the confusion.....I know they are the same compound just was stating that I have RPN's Havoc and IBE's Epi......lol.....wait now that I think about it yeah you are right.....I should have just said either one epi or havoc.:sad3:....thanks....
 
nparisi said:
No prob, you're welcome. Well spawn is essentially epi and tren but you can't control or individually adjust the dosages, you can only add another cap of spawn (i.e. increase the dosage of BOTH compounds). Most people like to get them seperately in order to have more control here. H-Drol is methylated as well and wouldn't be ideal to stack. Tren is most popular, you could try PP's 1-T Tren(topical) with it. If you want to do two methyls, do a bridge where there is a one week overlap where you're doing both (ending one while starting the second compound).
Hope that helps.
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NParisi thanks for the info......I returned the hdrol and picked up tren from CEL....price was not that bad....expecting it in a few days......what would you recommend for a dosing protocol for the epi/tren since going to go from a pulse to a straight cycle for a couple more weeks.....should I take a break or since I was pulsing its ok to go straight into a regular cylce for a few more weeks??
 
I would take a break then you can run a real cycle with the two of them for a full 4-5 weeks.
A dosage would be
epi-20/30/30/40
tren-60/90/90/90
You should search for a few logs of this, I don't have experience with stacking these and you might want to see how your body handles tren by itself first...
 
nparisi said:
I would take a break then you can run a real cycle with the two of them for a full 4-5 weeks.
A dosage would be
epi-20/30/30/40
tren-60/90/90/90
You should search for a few logs of this, I don't have experience with stacking these and you might want to see how your body handles tren by itself first...
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NPARISI: Thanks brother!!! will take your advise and keep your dosage scheme.
 
nparisi said:
I would take a break then you can run a real cycle with the two of them for a full 4-5 weeks.
A dosage would be
epi-20/30/30/40
tren-60/90/90/90
You should search for a few logs of this, I don't have experience with stacking these and you might want to see how your body handles tren by itself first...
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Could not find that much logs on EPI/TREN (since I have a bottle of EPI and a bottle of TREN and now I am able to control the dosage unlike SPAWN) except for Spawn logs. I have a couple of questions that came up in my head..

How about TREN on workout days and EPI on off days. Dont know if this thought is rational..... Thought the EPI on off days would "act like a SERM" but still provide growth since muscles grow when at rest...What are the pro's and con's of this?

Other Question is should if utilizing your protocol should the TREN be pre w/o or post??
 
W8TS4ME said:
Could not find that much logs on EPI/TREN (since I have a bottle of EPI and a bottle of TREN and now I am able to control the dosage unlike SPAWN) except for Spawn logs. I have a couple of questions that came up in my head..

How about TREN on workout days and EPI on off days. Dont know if this thought is rational..... Thought the EPI on off days would "act like a SERM" but still provide growth since muscles grow when at rest...What are the pro's and con's of this?

Other Question is should if utilizing your protocol should the TREN be pre w/o or post??
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Well epi can shut you down as well even though it 'acts like a serm'. I would say take both every day of your cycle. If you're taking one on workout days and one on off it's like you're pulsing both of them and not letting them fully build up in your system. Taking them both on the same day is ok, the tren isn't methylated.
Your dosing for both should be spread evenly throughout the day. If the dose allows, take the largest dose pre workout (ie if you are taking 4 caps, have one morning, 2 preworkout, and 1 evening)
Look for logs of epi and x-mass
 
nparisi said:
Well epi can shut you down as well even though it 'acts like a serm'. I would say take both every day of your cycle. If you're taking one on workout days and one on off it's like you're pulsing both of them and not letting them fully build up in your system. Taking them both on the same day is ok, the tren isn't methylated.
Your dosing for both should be spread evenly throughout the day. If the dose allows, take the largest dose pre workout (ie if you are taking 4 caps, have one morning, 2 preworkout, and 1 evening)
Look for logs of epi and x-mass
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NP thanks again bro!! Your insight and assistance is helping me out a ton and I am really greatful for it!! Was thinking that yeah its like pulsing with the above thought but somewhat a daily cycle at the same time. Will be taking a break in my pulse then going on to the tren/epi cycle.....Will keep you posted....
 
nparisi said:
Sweet man I'll be watchin...so do you feel shut down at all after the pulse?
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NO not at all.....the boys on "on days" seem to somewhat tigthen up a tad bit but the rebound the next next day the boys are fine. Been using novedex xt on off nights at 2 pills right before bed. Libido is great but some times just feel not "in the mood" could be be because tired or this forum keeping me up late and missing out on some action....lol....

All in all I think the pulse is great especially for first timers to get a feel of ph/ds but as Dr D said you get 60% of results and thats why I now want to try the Tren/EPI stack....

Hows your workouts working out for you?
 
W8TS4ME said:
NO not at all.....the boys on "on days" seem to somewhat tigthen up a tad bit but the rebound the next next day the boys are fine. Been using novedex xt on off nights at 2 pills right before bed. Libido is great but some times just feel not "in the mood" could be be because tired or this forum keeping me up late and missing out on some action....lol....

All in all I think the pulse is great especially for first timers to get a feel of ph/ds but as Dr D said you get 60% of results and thats why I now want to try the Tren/EPI stack....

Hows your workouts working out for you?
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Not too bad. My shoulder is acting up but we'll see. I just started up an epi cycle a few days ago, waiting for it to really kick in..
 
nparisi said:
Not too bad. My shoulder is acting up but we'll see. I just started up an epi cycle a few days ago, waiting for it to really kick in..
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Coool......Keep me posted on your cycle. I was having joint pain a bit but been taking glucosamine and msm combo from costco and their fish oils also and seem to be helping out. Dont know if this is the type of "acting" up you mean but pay attention to the pain. What are you dosing for your EPI cycle?
 
Just 20/30/30/40
The shoulder is like an inflammation pain that has been with me for a while, most of the time it's nothing but sometimes it bothers me.
I upped my fish oil and cissus, waiting to see if that helps
 
nparisi said:
Just 20/30/30/40
The shoulder is like an inflammation pain that has been with me for a while, most of the time it's nothing but sometimes it bothers me.
I upped my fish oil and cissus, waiting to see if that helps
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COOL......hope it helps.....will keep you updated......just started my pulse break so kind of looking forward to the break but at the same time NOT.....lol.....but I gotta be smart about it and take that break....looking to do the tren cycle in about two weeks so going to keep with my novadex xt at nights....dhea in am and pm at 50 each dose....cycle support but got a few pills of livercare so will finish that off and of course the fish oils, multi and creatine....will keep you posted....
 
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