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Havoc/Epi and Estrogen Rebound

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I've started to notice that a few individuals have complained about gyno due to estrogen related rebound after havoc/epi use. This does make sense since havoc/epi is estrogen suppressive. The obvious first line of defense would be the use of a SERM until estrogen levels subside and testosterone rebounds (I'm leaning towards clomid here, due to its more pronounced effects on endo-test). However, some have still noted gyno a few weeks after finishing PCT (both reports were from users using toremifene). I should note that most of the cases I've come across involve users on their second or third epi cycle. Due to these cases, I'm thinking it would be a good idea to avoid an AI use as it would only further suppress estrogen which could result in an even greater rebound.

I don't believe Clomid suppresses estrogen and that is why I'm leaning towards its use. Am I correct, here? Any other thoughts or suggestions?
 
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I've started to notice that a few individuals have complained about gyno due to estrogen related rebound after havoc/epi use. This does make sense since havoc/epi is estrogen suppressive. The obvious first line of defense would be the use of a SERM until estrogen levels subside and testosterone rebounds (I'm leaning towards clomid here, due to its more pronounced effects on endo-test). However, some have still noted gyno a few weeks after finishing PCT (both reports were from users using toremifene). I should note that most of the cases I've come across involve users on their second or third epi cycle. Due to these cases, I'm thinking it would be a good idea to avoid an AI use as it would only further suppress estrogen which could result in an even greater rebound.

I don't believe Clomid suppresses estrogen and that is why I'm leaning towards its use. Am I correct, here? Any other thoughts or suggestions?
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Clomid would work fine I would add either Post Cycle Support or Stoked in week 3 of pct it will help with any estro rebound.
 
PCT support contains ingredients that act as AI's. Further suppressing estrogen might be counter productive.
 
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PCT support contains ingredients that act as AI's. Further suppressing estrogen might be counter productive.
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PCS and Stoked contains no AI's but do have properties that will help reduce estro which is useful if there is any estro rebound after a SERM.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, trans resveratrol and quecertin are both atleast somewhat estrogen suppressive. TR blocks estrogen at the receptor and inhibits aromatase. Quecertin inhibits estrone sulfase. Now, they might not be suppressive enough to cause any rebound, but I'm not 100% sold on that just yet.
 
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Unless I'm mistaken, trans resveratrol and quecertin are both atleast somewhat estrogen suppressive. TR blocks estrogen at the receptor and inhibits aromatase. Quecertin inhibits estrone sulfase. Now, they might not be suppressive enough to cause any rebound, but I'm not 100% sold on that just yet.
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Most rebound occurs after you stop the SERM or AI. Most people will taper a AI down for this reason. I suggest PCS started in week 3 so after the SERM if there is any rebound the PCS will help with it. PCS will not kill estro as some AI's do but will help reduce it some. Quecertin is used to help with the bioavailibilty of Trans-Res.
 
In regards of this, what do you think of using Formex as part of PCT and taper down over 1-2 weeks?

I have read both good and some not so good reports of using Formex as PCT.

Would the rebound effect be even greater WITH Formex?
 
Same thing I'm wondering. I start PCT Monday, and I am currently taking Formex at 25 mg ED. There are such differing opinions on this that I'm bound to mess up somewhere! At this point, I think I am going to use Prime, ZMA, and milk thistle; Formex is to be determined. I do not feel like I shutdown from the Epi, so I will likely be fine. Fortunately, I am not prone to gyno, at least not when using old school AAS. I have to say that I'm still learning about PHs.
 
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